The mediocrity of Unitarianism. Where are the "John the Beloveds" in Unitarianism?

[Runningman]

Not the same AND they are OPPOSITE in meaning!

Just as you are opposite of : Philippians 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Sorry, but James was referring to the temptation of man. Hebrews says he was tempted in all ways as we are are. Jesus had the same kind of temptation as regular people do, but didn't sin.

Scripture isn't at odds with Philippians 2:5-11 on this point. Were you seeing something otherwise?

 

[DavidTree]

Sorry, but James was referring to the temptation of man. Hebrews says he was tempted in all ways as we are are. Jesus had the same kind of temptation as regular people do, but didn't sin.

Scripture isn't at odds with Philippians 2:5-11 on this point. Were you seeing something otherwise?

Being tempted is not the same as being "carried away from lust"

They are ONLY become the SAME when a person yields themself to the temptation and COMMITS sin.

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 2 Corinthians 5:21


Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. - James 1:12-15

 

[Runningman]

Being tempted is not the same as being "carried away from lust"

They are ONLY become the SAME when a person yields themself to the temptation and COMMITS sin.

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 2 Corinthians 5:21


Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. - James 1:12-15

So when Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are, then we aren't drawn away by lust when tempted? We are tempted in the same way God is tempted? That doesn't make sense. You have to essentially throw the baby out with the bathwater to come to the interpretation you seem to be suggesting.

Look, I know you want to keep Jesus your God, but Jesus and regular people experienced the same kind temptation according to Hebrews 4:15 right? That's Scripture. It's better to understand who this makes Jesus. For the record, it doesn't provide a way for him to be God. Please let me know if you think it's possible for God to be tempted in the same way as a man because that might be what you're getting at. Scripture says God can't be tempted or is capable of experience the same weaknesses humans like Jesus and others do.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

 

[DavidTree]

So when Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are, then we aren't drawn away by lust when tempted? We are tempted in the same way God is tempted? That doesn't make sense. You have to essentially throw the baby out with the bathwater to come to the interpretation you seem to be suggesting.

Look, I know you want to keep Jesus your God, but Jesus and regular people experienced the same kind temptation according to Hebrews 4:15 right? That's Scripture. It's better to understand who this makes Jesus. For the record, it doesn't provide a way for him to be God. Please let me know if you think it's possible for God to be tempted in the same way as a man because that might be what you're getting at. Scripture says God can't be tempted or is capable of experience the same weaknesses humans like Jesus and others do.

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

100% TRUTH

Now you are getting closer to the TRUTH

 

[Runningman]

Numbers 23
19God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?

100% TRUTH

Now you are getting closer to the TRUTH

Indeed. Only men are tempted in all ways as we are.

 

[civic]

Lust is sinful. The fact that Jesus never sinned proves that he was never drawn away of his own lust. Thank you for that verse.

Notice the clause "when". Since that "when" event never occurred because Jesus was never drawn away of his own lusts, then that verse never applies to him.

Your attempt to desecrate the Uncreated Word of God has been duly noted.

Your premise concerning James 1:14 failed miserably so everything after that comes tumbling down also.

Where did Jesus ever tempt anyone? That's more blasphemy from you, typical for unitarians.

An attempt was made to tempt Jesus by satan but Jesus never succumbed to that attempt. The onus is on you to prove otherwise. I believe the Bible where it says he never sinned. Why don't you?

Only if you're willing to misrepresent and blaspheme "My Lord and My God" Jesus who is the Uncreated Word of God. That is typical behavior for unitarians.

Amen

 

[DavidTree]

Dear @Runningman
Dear @synergy

The Modern English Translation of the Bible renders the text in James 1:13,14 this way:
“Don't blame God when you are tempted! God cannot be tempted by evil, and he doesn't use evil to tempt others. We are tempted by our own desires that drag us off and trap us.”

• We all agree that Jesus never was “dragged off” or “trapped” by his own desires. Jesus never sinned.
• We all agree Jesus was tempted, as it was intrinsic to his nature the possibility to choose his own desires over the will of God.
• We all agree that God cannot be tempted: He cannot choose his own desires over the will of Himself! His desires are by definition God’s Will.
• Therefore, we all can draw a logical conclusion on whether Jesus was God or not.

If you read carefully Matthew 4:1-11 you will find out that "God cannot be tempted".

 

[DavidTree]

Indeed. Only men are tempted in all ways as we are.

What does the Scripture say on this?
Let's SEE - Hebrews 4:14-16

Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

HE could only be tempted as us yet without sin because..........the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word became flesh.

God is not a man, that He should lie,
or a son of man, that He should change His mind.
Does He speak and not act?
Does He promise and not fulfill?
Numbers 23:19

Therefore, when He/the Word came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me/the Word.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ” - Hebrews 10:5

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us = IMMANUEL = God with us

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

My 5% is the remnant that God promises will not bow their knee to false gods like Allah.

I hope you are not considering millions of your Catholics brothers worshippers of a false god.

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

(Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964)​

Since Protestant churches detached from the Catholic church centuries after the basis of Christianism had been established, your claim has no grounds. One thing is to have differences in our discourse or understanding about God, which is true, and a very different thing to say that our brothers worship a false god, which is not true.

The person who writes this post, Francisco Enrique Camacho Mezquita, with the nickname of Pancho Frijoles, submits voluntarily his life to Allah. I confess Allah as my Only and True God, Creator and Sustainer, and He will be it until my death. I recognize no other god, no other divine person, no other Mind and Agency that could compete with Allah in my heart.

 

[mikesw]

I hope you are not considering millions of Catholics worshippers of a false god.

But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

(Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964)​

Since Protestant churches detached from the Catholic church centuries after the basis of Christianism had been established, your claim has no grounds. One thing is to have differences in our discourse or understanding about God, which is true, and a very different thing to say that our brothers worship a false god, which is not true.

The person who writes this post, Francisco Enrique Camacho Mezquita, with the nickname of Pancho Frijoles, submits voluntarily his life to Allah. I confess Allah as my Only and True God, Creator and Sustainer, and He will be it until my death. I recognize no other god, no other divine person, no other Mind and Agency that could compete with Allah in my heart.

It is your risk if you wish to follow some entity Muslim's call Allah. Even if the pope preaches a different gospel from Paul, it is not safe to rely upon that pope's claim. I would be happy to claim that other people could come to know God through some other path except for the fact that scripture does not offer alternatives ways but only Jesus.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

If you read carefully Matthew 4:1-11 you will find out that "God cannot be tempted".

I agree with you, DavidTree.

 

[mikesw]

I agree with you, DavidTree.

Finally. Pancho acknowledges that Jesus had no internal temptation despite Satan tempting Jesus from the outside.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

A vital point here is who exactly is being referred to as God in James 1:13-14? We see the name "Father of lights" in verse 17. Therefore, it's a fact that since the "Father of lights" does not possess human nature then of course he cannot be tempted as can humans.

You’re right.
God, who according to the Scriptures is the Father of Jesus*, does not posses a human nature and cannot be tempted.
* “Blessed be God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort”, (2 Corinthians 1:13)

You shouldn’t have asked yourself who exactly is being referred as God in James 1:13-14… as if Jesus had been ambiguous on declaring who was his God, the God of his apostles and his audience.
Did any person ever asked Jesus “Who is exactly the God you are referring to, Jesus?”
Did any Israelite ever asked Peter or Paul “Who is exactly the God you are referring to?”
Why, then, do you make that question?

That James 1:17 identifies God as the Father should not be a surprise, should it?
We all know well that this is what we find over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over… (about 70 “overs” across the New Testament).

My logical conclusion is...

It is true that it is yours. It is not true that it is logical.

God, who is Our Father according to Jesus Himself, (John 20:13) and according to James (1:17) cannot be tempted.
Jesus was tempted.
So now you have a new chance to arrive to a conclusion which can be yours AND logical.

 

[mikesw]

You’re right.
God, who according to the Scriptures is the Father of Jesus*, does not posses a human nature and cannot be tempted.
* “Blessed be God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort”, (2 Corinthians 1:13)

You shouldn’t have asked yourself who exactly is being referred as God in James 1:13-14… as if Jesus had been ambiguous on declaring who was his God, the God of his apostles and his audience.
Did any person ever asked Jesus “Who is exactly the God you are referring to, Jesus?”
Did any Israelite ever asked Peter or Paul “Who is exactly the God you are referring to?”
Why, then, do you make that question?

That James 1:17 identifies God as the Father should not be a surprise, should it?
We all know well that this is what we find over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over… (about 70 “overs” across the New Testament).



It is true that it is yours. It is not true that it is logical.

God, who is Our Father according to Jesus Himself, (John 20:13) and according to James (1:17) cannot be tempted.
Jesus was tempted.
So now you have a new chance to arrive to a conclusion which can be yours AND logical.

get some sleep Francisco. you have lost sense of proper logic.

 

[Studyman]

I can honestly say that I've never meet a Unitarian that I believed really loved Jesus Christ to any great degree. There are no "John the Beloveds" to be found in Unitarianism. None.

To me, Jesus Christ to a Unitarian is nothing more than a "means to an end". The only reason I believe Unitarians even mention Jesus Christ is because of their "unexplained" desire to "bring down Jesus". After all, they don't mind claiming Jesus is an idol.

If you read the Scripture to any length you will find John The Beloved "idolizing" Jesus at most every turn. Even to the point of bringing out Peter's Jealousy.

Joh 21:20 Peter turned around and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them. (This was the disciple who had leaned back against Jesus’ chest at the meal and asked, “Lord, who is the one who is going to betray you?”)
Joh 21:21 So when Peter saw him, he asked Jesus, “Lord, what about him?”
Joh 21:22 Jesus replied, “If I want him to live until I come back, what concern is that of yours? You follow me!”

Where are the real Jesus lovers in Unitarianism. The people like Fanny Crosby's that wrote "Blessed Assurance, Jesus is mine. Oh what a foretaste of Glory Divine".

All you Unitarians that claim you love Jesus.... Please tell us all how you love Him "so much" without making Jesus an idol by your own standards?

I've grown accustomed to the Catholic and her Protestant daughter's judgments against those who don't adopt her ancient religious philosophies. It's hard to know exactly how to define their many judgements against others. I'm not sure what a Unitarian is as the definition varies some from religious sect to religious sect.

If a Unitarian is a person who believes the Jesus "of the Bible" overcame sin and temptation through Faith and "Yielding Himself" a servant to obey His God from His Youth, who HE said was also my God, then I guess I might be judged as a Unitarian by you and am "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe Jesus ascended up to heaven to be with His God and my God, who HE said was Greater than HE, I guess you will judge me as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe Jesus is in His Father's Mansion even now, preparing a place for me, then I will probably be judged as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe Jesus is standing at the Right Hand of His God and my God, advocating between me and His God and my God even now, then it seems that I will be judged as a Unitarian by you and "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe Jesus was the first mortal human to be raised from the dead, and given immortality by His God and my God, then I will be judged, it seems, as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe the One True God sent His Only begotten Son into the world, then I will most likely be judged as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I Love and obey the Jesus "of the bible" and Worship His God as HE instructs, "in Spirit and in Truth", then I will probably be judged by you as a Unitarian, "bringing down your Jesus."

I love the Jesus "of the Bible" by striving to be a "doer" of His Sayings, and not just a hearer. I Love Him by striving against sin as defined by His God and my God, as HE also strived against the same sin. As HE instructed, "If you Love Me, Keep My Commandments". I don't believe Jesus was a fake man, in other words, I don't believe the Jesus "of the bible" was an immortal God who just looked like a man but overcame sin and temptations because God can't be tempted, God can't die, and God cannot sin. An immortal God can't risk His Life for anyone, as God can't die, but a mortal man like the Jesus of the Bible can and did, unless you believe it was all faked to make it just look like He died. I believe HE overcame sin and temptation with the same power from God His Father, that is and has been available to mortal men to overcome sin and temptation from the very beginning, if they will only walk in the "Way of the Lord", as Abraham and Caleb did. I believe HE offered to His Father and my Father, HIS OWN Sin Free LIFE, to give men, like me and Abraham and Caleb and Zacharias and Paul, by covering my Sin with His Righteous Life, an opportunity to repent/change into the new man "which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness", like Jesus was. And I believe all men must "come out of" this world's religious kingdoms, like Abraham was tasked to do, as well as Peter and James and Paul.

I don't create or adopt images of God, promoted by the religions of this world God placed me in, created in the likeness of a golden calf, or a fat bald man, or a random long haired, very handsome man or of anything else, as instructed by the Jesus "of the Bible". I don't do alms or pray or sing praises in order to impress or to be seen of other men, nor do I promote the manmade religious traditions and high days popular in the religions of this world. These things I do because I love the Jesus "of the Bible" according to how HE instructs men to Love Him, not after how my heart defines love, or how this world's religious kingdoms define love. As HE said, "If you Love ME, keep my commandments", He didn't say, "If you Love me, keep the religious traditions philosophies and Judgments of this world's religious kingdoms".

I Love God and Worship Him in Christ's Name because the Jesus of the Bible teaches me to do so, and I Love Him. God Said to "Listen to" this Jesus and this Jesus said to be a "Doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only. I am reconciled to God by the death of this righteous man Jesus, (Passover) but I am saved by HIS Life within me. (Feast of Unleavened Bread) I owe Him a great dept and am a purchased possession and I am so thankful that His God gave me to Him for cleansing. In submitting to Him, I Glorify and show my Love for both the Father and the Son. Your preaching notwithstanding.

Jesus walked and lived by every Word of His God and my God and instructed me to do the same. That kind of Love and devotion is called "Faith" in my understanding, and My Lord and Savior, the Jesus "of the Bible" is the Author of such Faith. I Love Him too much to demean His Sacrifice by joining with others in implying it was fake because HE wasn't a mortal man who risked His Life for others as the Bible teaches, but was fully immortal God, with a perfect profile and long flowing hair, born on December 25th, who risked nothing as this world's religions HE warned me about implies.

If a man Loves the Jesus of the Bible, they will do what HE says, or as it is written, "Walk, even as HE walked". I would advise others, don't be bullied or shamed into adopting the philosophies or traditions and judgments of this world's religions that cause you to transgress God's commandments. And know that if you follow the Jesus "of the bible" you will be judged by this world's religious zealots, as Unitarians, Legalists, Judaizers, etc., even as Jesus was also judged for obeying the Same God. I believe this because the Jesus "of the Bible" that I Love, told me so.

I have no doubt that there are others who are judged by the religious men of this world as Unitarians, Legalists, Judaizers, etc., who Love and Believe in the Word of God, the Jesus "of the Bible". I know and gather each week with such men. We know that the Jesus "of the Bible" represents the only way to Life, and we Love Him and we Love that HE has made His "way" available to those who would Worship His Father in Christ's Name, in Spirit and in Truth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That's an extremely important question.
I think it is a corollary or complement of the question I did in the other thread for Trinitarians: With which specific actions do you show that you worship Jesus?

Both questions are sharp and challenging.
I would beg you to admit both questions/answers in parallel in your thread. I think it will make it even more interesting.

My guess (which may be wrong) is that whatever Unitarians can answer to your question, will be pretty similar to whatever Trinitarians can answer to my question.

I am a little lost in your comments here. Please remind me of the questions.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I've grown accustomed to the Catholic and her Protestant daughter's judgments against those who don't adopt her ancient religious philosophies. It's hard to know exactly how to define their many judgements against others. I'm not sure what a Unitarian is as the definition varies some from religious sect to religious sect.

Good thing I'm neither one. I name the name of Jesus Christ. That lovely name which above every name. Include you.

Is Jesus simply the best human being ever?

If a Unitarian is a person who believes the Jesus "of the Bible" overcame sin and temptation through Faith and "Yielding Himself" a servant to obey His God from His Youth, who HE said was also my God, then I guess I might be judged as a Unitarian by you and am "bringing down your Jesus".

I've never used the "My Jesus" distinction. Jesus Chris is the Great "I AM". He is who He is Eternally. Immutably God.

@civic @synergy

I believe we have another @sethproton here.

Jesus was never tempted to sin. He was tempted but Jesus Christ is above sin. Your theology presents a "Messiah" as a mere man.

If I believe Jesus ascended up to heaven to be with His God and my God, who HE said was Greater than HE, I guess you will judge me as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe Jesus is in His Father's Mansion even now, preparing a place for me, then I will probably be judged as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe Jesus is standing at the Right Hand of His God and my God, advocating between me and His God and my God even now, then it seems that I will be judged as a Unitarian by you and "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe Jesus was the first mortal human to be raised from the dead, and given immortality by His God and my God, then I will be judged, it seems, as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I believe the One True God sent His Only begotten Son into the world, then I will most likely be judged as a Unitarian "bringing down your Jesus". If I Love and obey the Jesus "of the bible" and Worship His God as HE instructs, "in Spirit and in Truth", then I will probably be judged by you as a Unitarian, "bringing down your Jesus.".

Correct. You are either a Unitarian by choice or you are ignorant of the theological position established by the Scriptures of the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

I love the Jesus "of the Bible" by striving to be a "doer" of His Sayings, and not just a hearer. I Love Him by striving against sin as defined by His God and my God, as HE also strived against the same sin. As HE instructed, "If you Love Me, Keep My Commandments". I don't believe Jesus was a fake man, in other words, I don't believe the Jesus "of the bible" was an immortal God who just looked like a man but overcame sin and temptations because God can't be tempted, God can't die, and God cannot sin.

Correct. Christ was/is Eternally Immaculate. I make that statement because of the words of Jesus.

Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

YOU haven't always DONE... those things that pleased the Father. YOU are not exactly like Jesus Christ. You're not like Him now.... nor will you ever be like Him until the Resurrection. Even then, you will NEVER Rank above Him.

An immortal God can't risk His Life for anyone, as God can't die,

He alone hath Immortality.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

You have forgotten your own sinfulness.

Jesus saved Peter. Peter didn't save Jesus. Jesus saved John the Beloved. John the Beloved didn't save Jesus. Jesus never sinned because He is Eternally Immutable.

As far as "death is concerned". Jesus tasted death in the His human body. Jesus experienced death and humiliations at every human level but only His body literally DIED.

Even then, His body didn't decay. His body didn't fill with maggots. You need to study more.

You need to understand the Atonement. Only God experiencing our death could bring about Eternal life. Eternal life is gifted. Even though we must express faith, Eternal is still a gift that we can not earn. It is the benevolence and kindness of Christ that gifts eternal life. The right for sinners to receive the gift of eternal life was established by Jesus Christ alone.

You, like many Protestants try to drag down Jesus Christ to man's sinful level. Jesus didn't "wax old". Jesus didn't catch "leprosy" from being around lepers or countless other diseases He encountered.

No matter how you "slice it". Jesus was never exactly like us in such things. This is true because of the Eternal nature of Divinity that existed in the Incarnation.

If you've had a really compelling discussion about the Incarnation of Christ, you'd know these things already.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God, who is Our Father according to Jesus Himself, (John 20:13) and according to James (1:17) cannot be tempted.
Jesus was tempted.
So now you have a new chance to arrive to a conclusion which can be yours AND logical.

How does a human sin if not for "sinfulness of flesh". All sin you commit is because of your flesh. Your flesh is contrary to the Spirit of God.

Jesus was robed in flesh. Yet, His Eternal nature was never diminished. Such is easily recognized by many infallible proofs.......

The Father never became flesh. The Son did.

If you're going to have a discussion about the Hypostatic Union, you should know it better than you actually do.

Very few do. Especially Unitarians. You don't believe the teaching, thusly you've never really known it.

All Truth must be believed before you can understand it fully. That is how faith becomes reality. The journey of that establishes experience in faith.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Perhaps you get off on the wrong foot with Christians if you begin with the charge "You don't love Jesus" and "You're tearing down Jesus" when that isn't true. When you introduce yourself like this, it sets one on the defense and it's uncomfortable to say the least. You knowing nothing about the personal relationship Christians have with their Lord ultimately comes off as you appearing hostile.

I can judge your words. I keep tell you this but you keep ignoring it.

I don't care about what you "intend". Use your words to express what you intend. You believe Christ is an idol to us. Don't pretend otherwise. Physican, heal thyself. "Perhaps you get off on the wrong foot with Christians"... when claiming Christ is an idol.

I don't know how a man that claims to be a theologian can be so ignorant of his own banter. Hypocrite.

He is my Lord and Savior and I love him so much I would die for him in a heartbeat.

Sinful men die for one another all the time. Policemen. Fireman. Soldiers. Mothers. Fathers.

It is an expression of love. Even sinners love THEIR own.....

Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.


This just one more proof that Jesus Christ was not a mere man. Like you. Mere men only love their own.

Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Jesus Christ was speaking of His own actions. You don't understand what you read.

 

[Runningman]

I can judge your words. I keep tell you this but you keep ignoring it.

I don't care about what you "intend". Use your words to express what you intend. You believe Christ is an idol to us. Don't pretend otherwise. Physican, heal thyself. "Perhaps you get off on the wrong foot with Christians"... when claiming Christ is an idol.

I don't know how a man that claims to be a theologian can be so ignorant of his own banter. Hypocrite.



Sinful men die for one another all the time. Policemen. Fireman. Soldiers. Mothers. Fathers.

It is an expression of love. Even sinners love THEIR own.....

Luke 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.


This just one more proof that Jesus Christ was not a mere man. Like you. Mere men only love their own.

Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Jesus Christ was speaking of His own actions. You don't understand what you read.

Case in point, you are hostile toward Christianity, which is evidence by the fact that you opened this thread. This thread is a hit piece meant to take your obvious anger out on Christians rather than reconcile.

I have seen this reaction before, common in young people, who get corrected and instead of fixing it they lash out at everyone around them and blame the world. They do this because they haven't had the experience to develop coping skills to gracefully work with uncomfortable truths. It's a projection of an alternate reality and self-defense mechanism to blame others around them rather than looking inward because they still lack the self-awareness to do so.

My only encouragement to you is you should repent if you have sinned. If you feel you haven't then don't repent. The matter is you're honest with yourself and God. You probably know enough about the Bible to know that you will be judged by what you do or don't do. You should forgive others who you feel have offended you. I'll pray for you.