If it was a completed action, then Jesus did what Satan wanted. Your logic leads to a claim that is blasphemous and contrary to scripture.
You follow the basic error of taking a sense of a word in one context and then applying that in other contexts. How many interpretation fallacies can you pile up in one day? Obviously such bad logic is not going to convince people to your opinion.
It's amazing how hell bent he is in his frenzied attempt to desecrate the Uncreated Word of God. It just astounds me to no ends.
Sure. I even showed him the logic he was using per this puzzle:
The temptation is being drawn away by lusts, but it doesn't necessitate one giving into the temptation, which Jesus never did. Jesus being tempted is fully scriptural, and I do fully agree he never sinned. You seem to not understand this difference.
Nope. He was completely tempted with the things he wanted just as we are according to Hebrews 4:15.
I just posted the puzzle showing your logic. Too bad you posted too quickly.
That's a strawman argument. Let's reverse engineer your logic and apply it to everyone else who is tempted. So what we end up with is no one is tempted or drawn away by their own lusts. Why do you make a special exception for Jesus when Scripture doesn't? Hebrews 4:15 is still there plainly stating that the kind of temptation Jesus experienced was the same as others experience.
Nothing helps you. You are taking something of James' context and applying to Luke 4. Just utterly ridiculous logic and you are unrelenting in using the stupid argument. Plus you constantly denigrate Jesus. It is surprising that you even claim to appreciate the Son of God at all.
The way I see what James wrote was he defined what temptation is. Hebrews 4:15 says Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are. I didn't write it. They all believed Jesus is a man who was susceptible to temptation, but never actually sinned.
that is still ignorant of you since you interpret it as Jesus's lust carrying him away. Nothing you are saying makes logical sense tonight.
Just repeating I am ignorant or illogical doesn't work on me. I am paid to be logical and I am good at it. I also don't get gaslighted into questioning myself either. So rather than just putting on a sideshow, can you actually deal with issues? Deal with the Scripture?
you don't learn from discussions anyhow. You are probably okay making software but you miss the nuances of language. I have acknowledged that you appear to have certain capacities and skills but just not nuance.
Jesus was never drawn away by any lusts. For you to say otherwise is not only false but is also blasphemous.
Runningman would also have to say Jesus is carried away by his own lusts here
His Christology is the pits. He's making up his very own Christology as he goes along. He falls into each and every trap because his Greek is non-existent. When JWs knock on my door I immediately ask them if they know any Greek. Every time they have said no. At that point I tell them to come back when they know Greek. They never return.
I tell them they need to come out with an argument against the Trinitarian doctrine to a level that would convince scholars. One guy said he would return and debate with me, but that is not sufficient. I could be ignorant against the arguments they make -- but if they are like the arguments we see here, I should do just fine.
Someone should enumerate how many blatant heresies exist in each and every heretical movements such as JWs, Mormons, and Islam. Along with that there should be an antidote explanation against each and every heresy. I would love to purchase that book. I might attempt to start one myself if I could find the time and the energy
The argument against Islam is that they did not have their standardized version until the 1800s. I'm not sure how messy it was until then. But the Quran had missing chapters, missing verses and lots of other imperfections. It was not preserved like scripture has been, despite some issues that might be raised in scriptures. But with the Bible, we have evidence through the papyri and codices. These are numerous too and testify to excellent preservation There also are the Septuagint and Peshitta . We have archaeological evidence of the OT. We have some evidence of non-Christian Jews' remarks about Christ.
It's more than just poor preservation of text where Islam is wrong. A text can be perfectly preserved and still be dead wrong. Islam is made of zillions of heresies from one end of the spectrum to its other end. It has its own interpretation of the OT and NT that is mutilated so that it conforms to and points to Muhammad as the final prophet. Islam would have been laughable if it wasn't so tragic.
I learn what you believe in discussions just as much as you learn what I believe. I am not here to be converted to Trinitarianism. Don't get the wrong idea about that. I already know for a fact the Trinitarian perspective on God is bunk. Jesus having been tempted is just another proof of such.
