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The Issue of Limited Atonement
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Calvinists speak out of both sides of the mouth
God determines all things and is the ultimate cause of all things except when Calvinists need him not to be
Johann
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Elect/election is for service.
1Ti 2:4 (KJV) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
will
*Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked?” says the Lord Yahweh, “and not rather that he should return from his way, and live?
*Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him who dies,” says the Lord Yahweh. “Therefore turn yourselves, and live!
*Tt 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
*2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but he is patient with us, not wishing that anyone should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Is 45:22 “Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.
Is 49:6 Indeed, he says, “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel. I will also give you as a light to the nations, that you may be my salvation to the end of the earth.”
Is 55:1 “Hey! Come, everyone who thirsts, to the waters! Come, he who has no money, buy, and eat! Yes, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Eze 33:11 Tell them, ‘“As I live,” says the Lord Yahweh, “I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why will you die, house of Israel?”’
Lk 14:23 “The lord said to the servant, ‘Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Jn 3:15-17 [15] that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [17] For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.
Jn 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. He who comes to me I will in no way throw out.
Ro 3:29-30 [29] Or is God the God of Jews only? Isn’t he the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, [30] since indeed there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
2Co 5:17-19 [17] Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new. [18] But all things are of God, who reconciled us to himself through Jesus Christ, and gave to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses, and having committed to us the word of reconciliation.
1Th 2:15-16 [15] who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and drove us out, and don’t please God, and are contrary to all men, [16] forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved, to fill up their sins always. But wrath has come on them to the uttermost.
and
Mt 28:19 Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mk 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to the whole creation.
Lk 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Ro 10:12-15 [12] For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich to all who call on him. [13] For, “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” [14] How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher? [15] And how will they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the Good News of peace, who bring glad tidings of good things!”
Re 14:6 I saw an angel flying in mid heaven, having an eternal Good News to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language, and people.
the knowledge
Is 53:11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light and be satisfied. My righteous servant will justify many by the knowledge of himself; and he will bear their iniquities.
Hab 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of Yahweh’s glory, as the waters cover the sea.
Lk 1:77 to give knowledge of salvation to his people by the remission of their sins,
Jn 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.
2Ti 2:25 in gentleness correcting those who oppose him. Perhaps God may give them repentance leading to a full knowledge of the truth,
2Ti 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more a sacrifice for sins,
Reciprocal
Pr 8:4 “I call to you men! I send my voice to the sons of mankind.
Zec 10:8 I will signal for them and gather them, for I have redeemed them. They will increase as they were before.
Jn 1:7 The same came as a witness, that he might testify about the light, that all might believe through him.
Jn 5:34 But the testimony which I receive is not from man. However, I say these things that you may be saved.
Ro 5:18 So then as through one trespass, all men were condemned; even so through one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life.
Ro 11:32 For God has bound all to disobedience, that he might have mercy on all.
Ga 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Col 2:19 and not holding firmly to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and ligaments, grows with God’s growth.
2Th 2:10 and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn’t receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
1Ti 2:1 I exhort therefore, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and givings of thanks be made for all men,
1Ti 4:3 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we have set our trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.
2Jn 1:1 The elder, to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not I only, but also all those who know the truth,
--unfortunately Calvin read into the text that was not there-as these Scripture references are showing you.
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Johann
Yes Spiritual Service in Salvation Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Writing to the elect Paul said 1 Thess 1:4-9
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.
8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.
9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
Yes Spiritual Service in Salvation Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Writing to the elect Paul said 1 Thess 1:4-9
4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.
6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.
7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.
8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.
9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
There are different types of causes, which I am sure you are aware of. Or maybe not. LOL
Johann
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Heb 9:14 (KJV) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
How
Dt 31:27 For I know your rebellion and your stiff neck. Behold, while I am yet alive with you today, you have been rebellious against Yahweh. How much more after my death?
2Sa 4:11 How much more, when wicked men have slain a righteous person in his own house on his bed, should I not now require his blood from your hand, and rid the earth of you?”
Job 15:16 how much less one who is abominable and corrupt, a man who drinks iniquity like water!
Mt 7:11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Lk 12:24 Consider the ravens: they don’t sow, they don’t reap, they have no warehouse or barn, and God feeds them. How much more valuable are you than birds!
Lk 12:28 But if this is how God clothes the grass in the field, which today exists and tomorrow is cast into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith?
Ro 11:12 Now if their fall is the riches of the world, and their loss the riches of the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
Ro 11:24 For if you were cut out of that which is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more will these, which are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
the blood
*Heb 9:12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption.
1Pe 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ,
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
Re 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood—
who
*1Pe 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit,
Is 42:1 “Behold, my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights: I have put my Spirit on him. He will bring justice to the nations.
Is 61:1 The Lord Yahweh’s Spirit is on me, because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble. He has sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and release to those who are bound,
Mt 12:28 But if I by the Spirit of God cast out demons, then God’s Kingdom has come upon you.
Lk 4:18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to heal the broken hearted, to proclaim release to the captives, recovering of sight to the blind, to deliver those who are crushed,
Jn 3:34 For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for God gives the Spirit without measure.
Ac 1:2 until the day in which he was received up, after he had given commandment through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen.
Ac 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
Ro 1:4 who was declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,
eternal
Dt 33:27 The eternal God is your dwelling place. Underneath are the everlasting arms. He thrust out the enemy from before you, and said, ‘Destroy!’
Is 57:15 For the high and lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy, says: “I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also who is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite.
Je 10:10 But Yahweh is the true God. He is the living God, and an everlasting King. At his wrath, the earth trembles. The nations aren’t able to withstand his indignation.
Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse.
1Ti 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
offered
*Tt 2:14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify for himself a people for his own possession, zealous for good works.
*1Pe 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit,
Heb 9:7 but into the second the high priest alone, once in the year, not without blood, which he offers for himself and for the errors of the people.
Heb 7:27 who doesn’t need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. For he did this once for all, when he offered up himself.
Mt 20:28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 5:2 Walk in love, even as Christ also loved us and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling fragrance.
1Pe 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live to righteousness. You were healed by his wounds.
without
Le 22:20 But you shall not offer whatever has a defect, for it shall not be acceptable for you.
Nu 19:2-21 [2] “This is the statute of the law which Yahweh has commanded. Tell the children of Israel to bring you a red heifer without spot, in which is no defect, and which was never yoked. [3] You shall give her to Eleazar the priest, and he shall bring her outside of the camp, and one shall kill her before his face. [4] Eleazar the priest shall take some of her blood with his finger, and sprinkle her blood toward the front of the Tent of Meeting seven times. [5] One shall burn the heifer in his sight; her skin, and her meat, and her blood, with her dung, shall he burn. [6] The priest shall take cedar wood, hyssop, and scarlet, and cast it into the middle of the burning of the heifer. [7] Then the priest shall wash his clothes, and he shall bathe his flesh in water, and afterward he shall come into the camp, and the priest shall be unclean until the evening. [8] He who burns her shall wash his clothes in water, and bathe his flesh in water, and shall be unclean until the evening. [9] “A man who is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer, and lay them up outside of the camp in a clean place; and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for use in water for cleansing impurity. It is a sin offering. [10] He who gathers the ashes of the heifer shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the evening. It shall be to the children of Israel, and to the stranger who lives as a foreigner among them, for a statute forever. [11] “He who touches the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days. [12] He shall purify himself with water on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean; but if he doesn’t purify himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean. [13] Whoever touches a dead person, the body of a man who has died, and doesn’t purify himself, defiles Yahweh’s tabernacle; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel; because the water for impurity was not sprinkled on him, he shall be unclean. His uncleanness is yet on him. [14] “This is the law when a man dies in a tent: everyone who comes into the tent, and everyone who is in the tent, shall be unclean seven days. [15] Every open vessel, which has no covering bound on it, is unclean. [16] “Whoever in the open field touches one who is slain with a sword, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days. [17] “For the unclean, they shall take of the ashes of the burning of the sin offering; and running water shall be poured on them in a vessel. [18] A clean person shall take hyssop, dip it in the water, and sprinkle it on the tent, on all the vessels, on the persons who were there, and on him who touched the bone, or the slain, or the dead, or the grave. [19] The clean person shall sprinkle on the unclean on the third day, and on the seventh day. On the seventh day, he shall purify him. He shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water, and shall be clean at evening. [20] But the man who shall be unclean, and shall not purify himself, that soul shall be cut off from among the assembly, because he has defiled the sanctuary of Yahweh. The water for impurity has not been sprinkled on him. He is unclean. [21] It shall be a perpetual statute to them. He who sprinkles the water for impurity shall wash his clothes, and he who touches the water for impurity shall be unclean until evening.
Nu 28:3 You shall tell them, ‘This is the offering made by fire which you shall offer to Yahweh: male lambs a year old without defect, two day by day, for a continual burnt offering.
Nu 28:9 “‘On the Sabbath day, you shall offer two male lambs a year old without defect, and two tenths of an ephah of fine flour for a meal offering mixed with oil, and its drink offering:
Nu 28:11 “‘In the beginnings of your months, you shall offer a burnt offering to Yahweh: two young bulls, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without defect,
Dt 15:21 If it has any defect—is lame or blind, or has any defect whatever, you shall not sacrifice it to Yahweh your God.
Dt 17:1 You shall not sacrifice to Yahweh your God an ox or a sheep in which is a defect or anything evil; for that is an abomination to Yahweh your God.
Is 53:9 They made his grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
Da 9:24-26 [24] “Seventy weeks are decreed on your people and on your holy city, to finish disobedience, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most holy. [25] “Know therefore and discern that from the going out of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem to the Anointed One, the prince, will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will be built again, with street and moat, even in troubled times. [26] After the sixty-two weeks the Anointed One will be cut off, and will have nothing. The people of the prince who come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end will be with a flood, and war will be even to the end. Desolations are determined.
2Co 5:21 For him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
1Pe 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ,
1Pe 2:22 who didn’t sin, “neither was deceit found in his mouth.”
1Jn 3:5 You know that he was revealed to take away our sins, and no sin is in him.
purge
*Heb 1:3 His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, who, when he had by himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 9:9 This is a symbol of the present age, where gifts and sacrifices are offered that are incapable, concerning the conscience, of making the worshiper perfect,
Heb 10:2 Or else wouldn’t they have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having been once cleansed, would have had no more consciousness of sins?
Heb 10:22 let’s draw near with a true heart in fullness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and having our body washed with pure water,
dead works
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the teaching of the first principles of Christ, let’s press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God,
to serve
Lk 1:74 to grant to us that we, being delivered out of the hand of our enemies, should serve him without fear,
Ro 6:13 Also, do not present your members to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Ro 6:22 But now, being made free from sin and having become servants of God, you have your fruit of sanctification and the result of eternal life.
Ga 2:19 For I through the law died to the law, that I might live to God.
1Th 1:9 For they themselves report concerning us what kind of a reception we had from you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God,
1Pe 4:2 that you no longer should live the rest of your time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
the living
Heb 11:21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and worshiped, leaning on the top of his staff.
Dt 5:26 For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the middle of the fire, as we have, and lived?
1Sa 17:26 David spoke to the men who stood by him, saying, “What shall be done to the man who kills this Philistine and takes away the reproach from Israel? For who is this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?”
2Ki 19:16 Incline your ear, Yahweh, and hear. Open your eyes, Yahweh, and see. Hear the words of Sennacherib, which he has sent to defy the living God.
Je 10:10 But Yahweh is the true God. He is the living God, and an everlasting King. At his wrath, the earth trembles. The nations aren’t able to withstand his indignation.
Da 6:26 “I make a decree that in all the dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel. “For he is the living God, and steadfast forever. His kingdom is that which will not be destroyed. His dominion will be even to the end.
Ac 14:15 “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men of the same nature as you, and bring you good news, that you should turn from these vain things to the living God, who made the sky, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them;
2Co 6:16 What agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are a temple of the living God. Even as God said, “I will dwell in them and walk in them. I will be their God and they will be my people.”
1Ti 3:15 but if I wait long, that you may know how men ought to behave themselves in God’s house, which is the assembly of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Reciprocal
Ex 12:5 Your lamb shall be without defect, a male a year old. You shall take it from the sheep or from the goats.
Ex 12:7 They shall take some of the blood, and put it on the two door posts and on the lintel, on the houses in which they shall eat it.
Ex 12:22 You shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two door posts with the blood that is in the basin. None of you shall go out of the door of his house until the morning.
Ex 29:12 You shall take of the blood of the bull, and put it on the horns of the altar with your finger; and you shall pour out all the blood at the base of the altar.
Ex 38:1 He made the altar of burnt offering of acacia wood. It was square. Its length was five cubits, its width was five cubits, and its height was three cubits.
Le 1:3 “‘If his offering is a burnt offering from the herd, he shall offer a male without defect. He shall offer it at the door of the Tent of Meeting, that he may be accepted before Yahweh.
Le 3:7 If he offers a lamb for his offering, then he shall offer it before Yahweh;
Le 4:16 The anointed priest shall bring some of the blood of the bull to the Tent of Meeting.
Le 4:19-20 [19] All its fat he shall take from it, and burn it on the altar. [20] He shall do this with the bull; as he did with the bull of the sin offering, so he shall do with this; and the priest shall make atonement for them, and they shall be forgiven.
Le 4:31-32 [31] All its fat he shall take away, like the fat is taken away from the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it on the altar for a pleasant aroma to Yahweh; and the priest shall make atonement for him, and he will be forgiven. [32] “‘If he brings a lamb as his offering for a sin offering, he shall bring a female without defect.
Le 4:35 He shall remove all its fat, like the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings. The priest shall burn them on the altar, on the offerings of Yahweh made by fire. The priest shall make atonement for him concerning his sin that he has sinned, and he will be forgiven.
Le 5:16 He shall make restitution for that which he has done wrong regarding the holy thing, and shall add a fifth part to it, and give it to the priest; and the priest shall make atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering, and he will be forgiven.
Le 8:27 He put all these in Aaron’s hands and in his sons’ hands, and waved them for a wave offering before Yahweh.
Le 12:7 He shall offer it before Yahweh, and make atonement for her; then she shall be cleansed from the fountain of her blood. “‘This is the law for her who bears, whether a male or a female.
Le 15:5 Whoever touches his bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
Le 15:27 Whoever touches these things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening.
Le 16:12 He shall take a censer full of coals of fire from off the altar before Yahweh, and two handfuls of sweet incense beaten small, and bring it within the veil.
Le 16:30 for on this day shall atonement be made for you, to cleanse you. You shall be clean from all your sins before Yahweh.
Le 22:19 that you may be accepted, you shall offer a male without defect, of the bulls, of the sheep, or of the goats.
Nu 29:17 “‘On the second day you shall offer twelve young bulls, two rams, and fourteen male lambs a year old without defect;
Nu 35:25 The congregation shall deliver the man slayer out of the hand of the avenger of blood, and the congregation shall restore him to his city of refuge, where he had fled. He shall dwell therein until the death of the high priest, who was anointed with the holy oil.
Dt 16:1 Observe the month of Abib, and keep the Passover to Yahweh your God; for in the month of Abib Yahweh your God brought you out of Egypt by night.
2Ch 4:6 He also made ten basins, and put five on the right hand and five on the left, to wash in them. The things that belonged to the burnt offering were washed in them, but the sea was for the priests to wash in.
2Ch 35:6 Kill the Passover lamb, sanctify yourselves, and prepare for your brothers, to do according to Yahweh’s word by Moses.”
Ps 50:5 “Gather my saints together to me, those who have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.”
Ps 51:2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity. Cleanse me from my sin.
Ps 51:7 Purify me with hyssop, and I will be clean. Wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
Ps 65:3 Sins overwhelmed me, but you atoned for our transgressions.
Is 6:7 He touched my mouth with it, and said, “Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away, and your sin forgiven.”
Is 40:28 Haven’t you known? Haven’t you heard? The everlasting God, Yahweh, the Creator of the ends of the earth, doesn’t faint. He isn’t weary. His understanding is unsearchable.
Is 52:15 so he will cleanse many nations. Kings will shut their mouths at him; for they will see that which had not been told them, and they will understand that which they had not heard.
Is 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought our peace was on him; and by his wounds we are healed.
Is 53:10 Yet it pleased Yahweh to bruise him. He has caused him to suffer. When you make his soul an offering for sin, he will see his offspring. He will prolong his days and Yahweh’s pleasure will prosper in his hand.
Je 33:8 I will cleanse them from all their iniquity by which they have sinned against me. I will pardon all their iniquities by which they have sinned against me and by which they have transgressed against me.
Eze 16:9 “‘“Then I washed you with water. Yes, I thoroughly washed away your blood from you, and I anointed you with oil.
Eze 36:25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
Eze 37:23 They won’t defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. So they will be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 44:26 After he is cleansed, they shall reckon to him seven days.
Eze 45:18 “‘The Lord Yahweh says: “In the first month, on the first day of the month, you shall take a young bull without defect, and you shall cleanse the sanctuary.
Zec 9:11 As for you also, because of the blood of your covenant, I have set free your prisoners from the pit in which is no water.
Zec 13:1 “In that day there will be a fountain opened to David’s house and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.
Mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
Mt 26:28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.
Mt 27:50 Jesus cried again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit.
Lk 21:23 Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who nurse infants in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath to this people.
Jn 3:25 Therefore a dispute arose on the part of John’s disciples with some Jews about purification.
Jn 6:57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on me will also live because of me.
Jn 11:55 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand. Many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover, to purify themselves.
Jn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished!” Then he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Ac 11:9 But a voice answered me the second time out of heaven, ‘What God has cleansed, don’t you call unclean.’
Ac 13:38 Be it known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man is proclaimed to you remission of sins;
Ac 15:9 He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Ac 20:28 Take heed, therefore, to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the assembly of the Lord and God which he purchased with his own blood.
Ac 21:24 Take them and purify yourself with them, and pay their expenses for them, that they may shave their heads. Then all will know that there is no truth in the things that they have been informed about you, but that you yourself also walk keeping the law.
Ac 24:16 In this I also practice always having a conscience void of offense toward God and men.
Ro 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Ro 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we will be saved from God’s wrath through him.
Ro 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Ro 10:4 For Christ is the fulfillment of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Ro 16:26 but now is revealed, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known for obedience of faith to all the nations;
2Co 1:20 For however many are the promises of God, in him is the “Yes.” Therefore also through him is the “Amen”, to the glory of God through us.
2Co 3:3 being revealed that you are a letter of Christ, served by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tablets of stone, but in tablets that are hearts of flesh.
Ga 1:4 who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father—
Ga 3:24 So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Eph 1:7 In him we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
Eph 5:26-27 [26] that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, [27] that he might present the assembly to himself gloriously, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without defect.
Col 2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
1Ti 1:5 But the goal of this command is love from a pure heart, a good conscience, and sincere faith,
1Ti 6:14 that you keep the commandment without spot, blameless until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Tt 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Heb 7:26 For such a high priest was fitting for us: holy, guiltless, undefiled, separated from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer.
Heb 9:18 Therefore even the first covenant has not been dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:23 It was necessary therefore that the copies of the things in the heavens should be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:25-26 [25] nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest enters into the holy place year by year with blood not his own, [26] or else he must have suffered often since the foundation of the world. But now once at the end of the ages, he has been revealed to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 10:9 then he has said, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He takes away the first, that he may establish the second,
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing concerning us, so that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable multitudes of angels,
Heb 13:12 Therefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people through his own blood, suffered outside of the gate.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing you have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth through the Spirit in sincere brotherly affection, love one another from the heart fervently,
1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience. Thus, while you are spoken against as evildoers, they may be disappointed who curse your good way of life in Christ.
2Pe 1:9 For he who lacks these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.
1Jn 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
Re 7:14 I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, “These are those who came out of the great suffering. They washed their robes and made them white in the Lamb’s blood.
Could you please summarize in 1 or 2 sentenses what it is you're trying to say?
Johann
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This was to @brightfame52- who is now on ignore, so forget the post.
I have a peaceful day and really not interested in this thread, or most of the threads.
I am edified by reading my Bible and just waiting for that one person to have fellowship with-here or somewhere else.
Calvinists are so blinded by their presuppositions that they cannot see past their nose. When confronted with Bible verses, their presuppositions will always swarm and block out what the Bible says. They will even resort to flinging verses against verses in the hope that their verses overwhelm all other verses.
Johann
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Spot on.
Have a blessed day brother.
You too and keep the faith!
Obadiah
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I'm not a Calvinist or an Arminian so I don't have any skin in the game. But I think you're post could apply to a lot of Christians in general.
Exactly. Substitute a few words and it would apply to him.
civic
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you are doing exactly what he said in the new thread- oh the irony.
So is he, lol. Projecting
civic
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As I stated in another post this morning as I know from personal experience scripture is only viewed through the lens of calvinism( tulip ) so all scripture is filtered through it. There is no objectivity only subjection to tulip. One cannot see past it anywhere. Everything is seen through the lens of determinism.
TibiasDad
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Have you ever read “God loved the world in this way; he gave his one and only son…”?
Doug
civic
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Calvin and most all Calvinist pastors and theologians teach that lol that’s the very heart of the false doctrine of PSA.
Are you sure you are a Calvinist ?
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