TibiasDad
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I said nothing of the sort? Your Socratic efforts are merely attempts to evade the point!Do you deny that God cannot lie? Do you deny that God approved of an angel's plan to lie?
Doug
I said nothing of the sort? Your Socratic efforts are merely attempts to evade the point!Do you deny that God cannot lie? Do you deny that God approved of an angel's plan to lie?
DittoI said nothing of the sort? Your Socratic efforts are merely attempts to evade the point!
Doug
I came across this Bob Enyart piece some two years ago. While it it's the only bit of his work I ever remember reading, it still gives me pause. This is as I found it except I separated it into paragraphs.Do you deny that God cannot lie? Do you deny that God approved of an angel's plan to lie?
Christ died for all
I said nothing of the sort? Your Socratic efforts are merely attempts to evade the point!
Doug
No the first cause is God the responsible party. No escaping determinism and who is responsible for all that comes to pass.My point is that God can ordain things to occur without He Himself doing them. God does not tempt anyone, but God is the ultimate cause that temptation will occur.
God is responsible for limited atonement.No the first cause is God the responsible party. No escaping determinism and who is responsible for all that comes to pass.
In Calvinist he is the first cause of everything. Hence the responsible one.God is responsible for limited atonement.
He only sent Christ to die for the seed of Abraham Heb 2:16In Calvinist he is the first cause of everything. Hence the responsible one.
hope this helps !!!
Whether “he himself” does it is not the point! The point is that God’s decision that X is going to happen makes it necessary! All that follows is the result of that decree. That decision is foundational cause of all things in the process.My point is that God can ordain things to occur without He Himself doing them. God does not tempt anyone, but God is the ultimate cause that temptation will occur.
Spot onWhether “he himself” does it is not the point! The point is that God’s decision that X is going to happen makes it necessary! All that follows is the result of that decree. That decision is foundational cause of all things in the process.
Doug
Exactly. Ask Tom.If the determining, planning and bringing about the death is from him, how can it not be from him?
Doug
Whether “he himself” does it is not the point! The point is that God’s decision that X is going to happen makes it necessary! All that follows is the result of that decree. That decision is foundational cause of all things in the process.
Doug
Either way it would be from God contradicting scriptureYes, that's right. God's decision that X will happen does make it necessary. My point was that there's a difference between what God does and what God ordains to be so. God does not and cannot lie, but he can approve of an angel lying.
and so how do you avoid contradicting scripture.Exactly. Ask Tom.
Why did you omit the scripture@TomL
All the seed Rom 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
All The seed of Abraham Heb 2:16
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Exactly which scripture would it contradict?Either way it would be from God contradicting scripture
Exactly which scripture would it contradict?
You are in deep denialI don't see any contradictions in that post. Did you just give me a post link because it's so obvious you don't have a real contradiction?