Dishonoring the bodily sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Calvinism

[brightfame52]

It's still Believers not unbelievers

John 3:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

why do you keep ignoring scripture?

Its simple, unbelief, or disobedience is iniquity, and Jesus Death redeems from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The same thing is when its stated Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now unbelief is sin, so Jesus will save His People from unbelief !

 

[TomL]

Its simple, unbelief, or disobedience is iniquity, and Jesus Death redeems from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The same thing is when its stated Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now unbelief is sin, so Jesus will save His People from unbelief !

It's still Believers not unbelievers

John 3:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

why do you keep ignoring scripture?

 

[brightfame52]

Those for whom Christ died they were ransomed from death and destruction 1 Tim 2:5-7

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Hose 13:14

I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Listen to the Psalmist Ps 49:7-8

None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever)

Note, this isn't merely speaking of physical death and destruction, but the Almighty sacrifice ransomed His People from the spiritual death and destruction caused by sin, and destroyed the works of the devil on their behalf,

However if we teach that some for whom Christ died, yet go into final perdition and destruction, the second death, its very dishonoring to the Ransom sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[TomL]

Those for whom Christ died they were ransomed from death and destruction 1 Tim 2:5-7

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Hose 13:14

I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

Listen to the Psalmist Ps 49:7-8

None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

(For the redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever)

Note, this isn't merely speaking of physical death and destruction, but the Almighty sacrifice ransomed His People from the spiritual death and destruction caused by sin, and destroyed the works of the devil on their behalf,

However if we teach that some for whom Christ died, yet go into final perdition and destruction, the second death, its very dishonoring to the Ransom sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Who gave himself a ransom for all,

 

[brightfame52]

Who gave himself a ransom for all,

Correct, all who are ransomed from death. Duh

 

[brightfame52]

The Salvation Christ came to provide was according to Covenant engagements and promised for a certain people, not all mankind, but specifically the house of david, Lk 1:68-72

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

 

[brightfame52]

It dishonors Christ and His saving death to say "His death saves no one", for its His death with all of its refeeming qualities that brings us to God, that is effects conversion to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The suffered for sins is His active and passive obedience unto death, which results in bringing them for whom sins He suffered and died for[Gods elect 1Pet 1:2] to God.So this implies they are given new life with both Faith and Repentance. All this on the strength of His Death ! Now to deny this is to dishonor His Death,His Sacrifice!

 

[brightfame52]

Commentary on 1 Pet 3:18

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: Quickened - Having been made alive This verse teaches us that Christ suffered in the flesh for sins. It is very important that God places the word “once” in the text. The word “once” in the Greek cannot be translated in any other way except “once” so there is no mistake about it. The Roman Catholic Institution, in their mass, continually offers Christ in wafer form. It is known as transubstantiation when the Priest says some words over it and then it supposedly becomes the body and the wine becomes the blood of Christ. 1 Peter 3:18 states clearly that Christ suffered “once” for sins and that means no continuing sacrifice is necessary nor accepted by the Lord, in fact, to offer continuous sacrifice is really blasphemy because it is claiming that Christ’s single sacrifice was not enough to pay for sins. Christ’s single sacrifice was more than sufficient because the rest of the verse teaches us that He was the just who died for the unjust, who are the Elect before salvation, and that by His death He brought us to God as God now becomes our Father through the Lord Jesus Christ and salvation. https://www.scionofzion.com/1_peter_3_13_18.htm

5. The blessed end or design of our Lord’s sufferings was to bring us to God, to reconcile us to God, to give us access to the Father, to render us and our services acceptable, and to bring us to eternal glory, Eph. 2:13, 18; 3:12; Heb. 10:21, 22.https://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhcw/1_peter/3.htm

 

[TomL]

It dishonors Christ and His saving death to say "His death saves no one", for its His death with all of its refeeming qualities that brings us to God, that is effects conversion to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The suffered for sins is His active and passive obedience unto death, which results in bringing them for whom sins He suffered and died for[Gods elect 1Pet 1:2] to God.So this implies they are given new life with both Faith and Repentance. All this on the strength of His Death ! Now to deny this is to dishonor His Death,His Sacrifice!

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

 

[brightfame52]

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

His Death is the cause of them believing, it brings them to God from a condition of being unjust!

 

[TomL]

His Death is the cause of them believing, it brings them to God from a condition of being unjust!

Nope

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

as he died for all

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

as he died for all

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Yes, His death brings to God, you think He brings them to God faithless ?

 

[TomL]

Yes, His death brings to God, you think He brings them to God faithless ?

You addressed no scripture

Nope

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

as he died for all

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

 

[brightfame52]

You addressed no scripture

Nope

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

as he died for all

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

You addressed no scripture

Nope

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

as he died for all

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Yes, His death brings to God, you think He brings them to God faithless ? Those He died for in Heb 2:9 He brings them to God same thing Vs 10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings unto death.

 

[civic]

I think the following pretty much reflects the Calvinists message.

Let's think of the Prodigal Son story.

This is what Calvinism does to it.

So you have the Father. You have the prodigal son. Now imagine the prodigal out there living in sin. He's in the pig pen feeling guilt and shame and wondering if it's a sure thing the Father will allow him back home. He's hoping it is and that the Father loves all sinners. A couple of theologians visit the pig farm. They tell the young lad, "Well come on now! You have no guarantee the Father loves you and more times than not he doesn't and actually hates people like you. The young lad feel demoralized and discouraged. He decides why even bother? It'd just break my heart too much to have him turn him down and if he actually ordained me to be this way then I guess I've just got to settle up that this is my lot in life!!"

Meanwhile the Father back at the home his heart is breaking wanting to see this human being restored and brought back into into restoration again. The false messengers however had robbed the good Father of his heart felt longing and dream!

Amen brother

 

[brightfame52]

It dishonors Christ and His saving death to say "His death saves no one", for its His death with all of its refeeming qualities that brings us to God, that is effects conversion to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Also His Death gave more saving effects,

The effects of the sufferings and death of Christ, or the things procured thereby, are many. As The redemption of his people from sin, from Satan, from the curse and condemnation of the law, and from wrath to come

Who will deny that by His Death He redeemed them He died for from the curse of the law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,[How?] being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

To be redeemed from the curse of the law is to be saved !

 

[Presby02]

His death saves those who believe

John 3:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.”

Those He gives belief to. Belief is a means to an end.

 

[civic]

Those He gives belief to. Belief is a means to an end.

Where did Jesus say He gives belief in John 3:16-18 ?

 

[Presby02]

Where did Jesus say He gives belief in John 3:16-18 ?

Never claimed He did. LOL