The Elect
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Johann
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No-I am not superimposing anything on the text.
1 Corinthians 1:11-13: Paul addresses divisions in the Corinthian church, where some were aligning themselves with different leaders (e.g., Paul, Apollos, Cephas) rather than being united in Christ. This indicates a lack of spiritual maturity and possibly even factionalism among the believers.
1 Corinthians 3:1-3: Paul speaks to the Corinthians as being "mere infants in Christ," indicating that they were immature in their faith and still influenced by worldly thinking and behavior. He describes them as being divided and behaving in a worldly manner, indicating that their spiritual growth was stunted.
1 Corinthians 5:1-13: Paul addresses a case of sexual immorality within the Corinthian church, where a man was involved in a relationship with his father's wife. Paul rebukes the church for their tolerance of such sin and instructs them to discipline the offender. The presence of such sin within the church suggests a lack of spiritual discernment and adherence to Christian moral standards.
1 Corinthians 11:17-22: Paul rebukes the Corinthians for their conduct during the Lord's Supper, where some were eating and drinking in an unworthy manner, leading to divisions and judgment. This behavior reflects a lack of reverence for the significance of the sacrament and a failure to discern the body of Christ.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18: Paul warns the Corinthians against being unequally yoked with unbelievers, suggesting that there were associations within the church that were compromising their commitment to Christ.
While the Corinthian church included genuine believers who had been sanctified in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:2), it also included individuals who were struggling with sin, immaturity, and unbelief. Paul's letters to the Corinthians address these issues and provide guidance for spiritual growth, unity, and holiness within the church.
Johann
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I would suggest give the video clip a listen-but no skin of my nose if you don't.
civic
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I don't have time this morning have to head into work early today- no longer have Mondays off.
Johann
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Have a blessed day.
So then a regenerated man can be a natural man, right? That throws the calvinist idea that natural man = unregenerated man only out the window.
civic
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You too hold down the fort today.
Johann
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Not what I'm saying and stop blame shifting the Calvinists-signs of immaturity and ignorance of Scriptures. They are our fellow brothers and sisters IN Christ Jesus.
civic
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Iron sharpens iron
2 Tim 3:16-17
Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Titus 1:13
This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they will be sound in the faith
Titus 2:15
Speak these things as you encourage and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you
Rockson
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I get that but the context of what I'm meaning is when the unregenerate one's not born again hear the gospel preached they have the capacity to trust in the Lord with all their heart and lean not to their own natural worldly way of thinking understanding. Some choose to do so and some choose not to and if they choose not to it's because Jesus says they loved darkness rather than light for their deeds were evil.
Yes really spoken to ones which were Christians but there's always a beginning point of the first time they choose to embrace God's way of thinking.
Yes but the natural man is the natural man only as he's choosing to be such. Those who choose to retain the natural way and manner of thinking aren't allowing what God says about a matter to be authoritative or predominate in their thinking. The unborn again can do this as we can see with the Roman Centurion .(Luke 7:9) ...he believe two things.....God had a good character AND his words had authority. We can say he trusted in the Lord with all his heart and leaned not to natural wisdom of this world.
That has nothing to do with an unborn again man not being able to choose Jesus after hearing the gospel.
I agree but one unregenerate (who is a natural man) can choose to embrace God's spiritual revelation by trusting in the Lord with all his heart and lean not to worldly ways of thinking. If he chooses to retain worldly ways of thinking then he'll consider the gospel as foolishness. The Bible DOES NOT say all who are not born again do this.
Then what exactly are you saying about the unwarranted natural man = unregenerated man only foundational rule of calvinism?
Johann
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John 3:3 (ESV): "Jesus answered him, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.'"
John 3:19-20 (ESV): "And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed."
1 Corinthians 2:14 (ESV): "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (ESV): "And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
Ephesians 4:17-18 (ESV): "Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart."
1 John 2:11 (ESV): "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes."
These passages highlight the spiritual blindness and inability of those who are unregenerate or unbelieving to perceive and understand the truths of God, including the person of Jesus Christ and the message of the gospel. Without spiritual enlightenment and the work of the Holy Spirit, individuals remain in darkness and are unable to discern the things of God.
Furthermore--
Romans 3:10-12 (ESV): "as it is written: 'None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.'"
Psalm 14:1-3 (ESV): "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one."
Ecclesiastes 7:20 (ESV): "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins."
Isaiah 53:6 (ESV): "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Jeremiah 17:9 (ESV): "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?"
These Scriptures underscore the fallen nature of humanity, emphasizing that apart from the grace of God, no one is righteous or seeks after God. The pervasive sinfulness of humanity is a recurring theme throughout the Bible, highlighting the need for redemption and salvation through Jesus Christ.
Thanks @Rockson
civic
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Thats not what Jesus teaches in the parable of the 4 soils.
civic
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Matthew 13- The Parable of the Sower
1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while
Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’” @synergy. Remember this from the old forum The Greek word αναγκασον is to urge or compel, not irresistibly draw.
There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.
1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while
Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’” @synergy. Remember this from the old forum
The Greek word αναγκασον is to urge or compel, not irresistibly draw.There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.
- Monergism (Total Depravity),
- Preservation of Saints (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- Irresistible Grace (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- and even Limited Atonement because as many as could possibly be found were invited
Johann
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John 3:3 (ESV): "Jesus answered him, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.'"Matthew 13- The Parable of the Sower
1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while
Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’” @synergy. Remember this from the old forum
There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.
hope this helps !!!
- Monergism (Total Depravity),
- Preservation of Saints (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- Irresistible Grace (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- and even Limited Atonement because as many as could possibly be found were invited
John 3:19-20 (ESV): "And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed."
1 Corinthians 2:14 (ESV): "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (ESV): "And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
Ephesians 4:17-18 (ESV): "Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart."
1 John 2:11 (ESV): "But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes."
These passages highlight the spiritual blindness and inability of those who are unregenerate or unbelieving to perceive and understand the truths of God, including the person of Jesus Christ and the message of the gospel. Without spiritual enlightenment and the work of the Holy Spirit, individuals remain in darkness and are unable to discern the things of God.
Furthermore--
Romans 3:10-12 (ESV): "as it is written: 'None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.'"
Psalm 14:1-3 (ESV): "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one."
Ecclesiastes 7:20 (ESV): "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins."
Isaiah 53:6 (ESV): "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Jeremiah 17:9 (ESV): "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?"
These Scriptures underscore the fallen nature of humanity, emphasizing that apart from the grace of God, no one is righteous or seeks after God. The pervasive sinfulness of humanity is a recurring theme throughout the Bible, highlighting the need for redemption and salvation through Jesus Christ.
Thanks @civic
Until you explicitly declare your position, I'm going to continue to ascertain from what you have written so far that you accept the unwarranted natural man = unregenerated man only foundational rule of calvinism.
And in typical calvinist fashion, you end up reacting with ad hominems instead of addressing the issue at hand.
Johann
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Correct-all of God-none of self.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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*Eph 2:5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Ro 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
2Th 1:9 who will pay the penalty: eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
through
*Ro 3:22-26 [22] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, [23] for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; [24] being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [25] whom God sent to be an atoning sacrifice through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God’s forbearance; [26] to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time, that he might himself be just and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus.
*Ro 4:16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure to all the offspring, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.
Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned.
Lk 7:50 He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
Jn 3:14-18 [14] As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, [15] that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [17] For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. [18] He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God.
Jn 3:36 One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won’t see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
Jn 5:24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Jn 6:27-29 [27] Don’t work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him.” [28] They said therefore to him, “What must we do, that we may work the works of God?” [29] Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Jn 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will not be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
Jn 6:40 This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Ac 13:39 and by him everyone who believes is justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Ac 15:7-9 [7] When there had been much discussion, Peter rose up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that a good while ago God made a choice among you that by my mouth the nations should hear the word of the Good News and believe. [8] God, who knows the heart, testified about them, giving them the Holy Spirit, just like he did to us. [9] He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Ac 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Ro 4:5 But to him who doesn’t work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.
Ro 10:9-10 [9] that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made resulting in salvation.
Ga 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Ga 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
1Jn 5:10-12 [10] He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son. [11] The testimony is this: that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [12] He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have God’s Son doesn’t have the life.
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*Jas 1:16-18 [16] Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers. [17] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation nor turning shadow. [18] Of his own will he gave birth to us by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.
Eph 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might
Mt 16:17 Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
Jn 1:12-13 [12] But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: [13] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jn 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. He who comes to me I will in no way throw out.
Jn 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up in the last day.
Jn 6:65 He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
Ac 14:27 When they had arrived and had gathered the assembly together, they reported all the things that God had done with them, and that he had opened a door of faith to the nations.
Ac 16:14 A certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, one who worshiped God, heard us. The Lord opened her heart to listen to the things which were spoken by Paul.
Ro 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?
Ro 10:17 So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Php 1:29 Because it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf,
Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Reciprocal
Job 40:14 Then I will also admit to you that your own right hand can save you.
Ps 6:4 Return, Yahweh. Deliver my soul, and save me for your loving kindness’ sake.
Ps 25:7 Don’t remember the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions. Remember me according to your loving kindness, for your goodness’ sake, Yahweh.
Ps 27:13 I am still confident of this: I will see the goodness of Yahweh in the land of the living.
Ps 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous is from Yahweh. He is their stronghold in the time of trouble.
Ps 105:45 that they might keep his statutes, and observe his laws. Praise Yah!
Ps 111:2 Yahweh’s works are great, pondered by all those who delight in them.
Is 41:20 that they may see, know, consider, and understand together, that Yahweh’s hand has done this, and the Holy One of Israel has created it.
Is 55:1 “Hey! Come, everyone who thirsts, to the waters! Come, he who has no money, buy, and eat! Yes, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Ho 14:2 Take words with you, and return to Yahweh. Tell him, “Forgive all our sins, and accept that which is good; so we offer bulls as we vowed of our lips.
Ho 14:4 “I will heal their waywardness. I will love them freely; for my anger is turned away from them.
Zec 4:7 Who are you, great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you are a plain; and he will bring out the capstone with shouts of ‘Grace, grace, to it!’”
Mt 20:9 “When those who were hired at about the eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius.
Mt 21:29 He answered, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he changed his mind, and went.
Mk 2:5 Jesus, seeing their faith, said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
Mk 4:11 He said to them, “To you is given the mystery of God’s Kingdom, but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables,
Mk 9:24 Immediately the father of the child cried out with tears, “I believe. Help my unbelief!”
Lk 8:15 Those in the good ground, these are those who with an honest and good heart, having heard the word, hold it tightly, and produce fruit with perseverance.
Lk 15:32 But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’”
Lk 18:27 But he said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
Jn 1:16 From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit, he can’t enter into God’s Kingdom.
Jn 4:10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.”
Ac 13:43 Now when the synagogue broke up, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas; who, speaking to them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.
Ac 13:48 As the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God. As many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
Ac 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they are.”
Ac 18:27 When he had determined to pass over into Achaia, the brothers encouraged him; and wrote to the disciples to receive him. When he had come, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;
Ac 20:24 But these things don’t count; nor do I hold my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to fully testify to the Good News of the grace of God.
Ac 26:18 to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’
Ro 3:12 They have all turned away. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not so much as one.”
Ro 3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight; for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.
Ro 3:27 Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
Ro 4:6 Even as David also pronounces blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
Ro 5:15 But the free gift isn’t like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
Ro 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
Ro 6:17 But thanks be to God that, whereas you were bondservants of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were delivered.
Johann
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You are not going to interrogate me as you did @The Rogue Tomato-the one reacting with ad hominems is you, you have honed the art to perfection, second nature to you.
This is a public forum. Whatever you forward is seen by all and can be questioned. That's how the forum works. We don't throw ad hominem accusations like "immaturity and ignorance of Scriptures" at each other at the first sign that you're losing the argument. Stay on the topic and avoid the ad hominems. You can also run away from the topic by putting me on ignore.
