Refuting effectually caused faith

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

 

[TomL]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

 

[TomL]

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

 

[TomL]

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

 

[TomL]

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

 

[TomL]

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

For dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27 Dead people dont believe, they dead !

 

[Rockson]

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27 Dead people dont believe, they dead !

Mark 2:17 says sinners are sick too. That doesn't mean they're not conscious who can't hear and respond to things.

 

[brightfame52]

Mark 2:17 says sinners are sick too. That doesn't mean they're not conscious who can't hear and respond to things.

I'm talking about Dead, read it Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Dead folk cant believe, you need life first

 

[Rockson]

I'm talking about Dead, read it Eph 2:5

So am I read Lk 15:32 . The prodigal was out of fellowship with the Father and he called him dead. Didn't mean he could reason and make decisions to go and have the Father restore him to LIFE.

 

[civic]

I'm talking about Dead, read it Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Dead folk cant believe, you need life first

yes like lazarus the believer and follower of christ who was raised from the dead. He like his sister was a believer in the resurrection as per John 11.

your dead theory fails with every single person in scripture- all who become saved are first required to believe the gospel, believe in Christ as their Lord.

 

[civic]

So am I read Lk 15:32 . The prodigal was out of fellowship with the Father and he called him dead. Didn't mean he could reason and make decisions to go and have the Father restore him to LIFE.

and we know the prodigal son who was dead came to his senses on his own, was not brought back to life by the father because he was in reality alive. the prodigal son was still the Fathers son that returned home. The dead theory in calvinism fails with every biblical example. They must twist the narrative, change the meaning of the narrative with dead and give it an unbiblical one to support the false teaching of regeneration, total depravity, total inability , irresistible grace, etc.....

 

[brightfame52]

So am I read Lk 15:32 . The prodigal was out of fellowship with the Father and he called him dead. Didn't mean he could reason and make decisions to go and have the Father restore him to LIFE.

Yes he was dead, you think he made himself alive ?

 

[brightfame52]

yes like lazarus the believer and follower of christ who was raised from the dead. He like his sister was a believer in the resurrection as per John 11.

your dead theory fails with every single person in scripture- all who become saved are first required to believe the gospel, believe in Christ as their Lord.

Did Lazarus resurrect himself from death ?

 

[civic]

Did Lazarus resurrect himself from death ?

was Lazarus a believer ? yes or no

was Lazarus whom Jesus loved and wept over while he was alive regenerated like the 12 disciples ? yes or no

end of discussion

down goes your doctrine it was just exposed as being false and full of contradictions.

you will not answer my questions because they expose your false teachings.

next..................

 

[brightfame52]

was Lazarus a believer ? yes or no

was Lazarus whom Jesus loved and wept over while he was alive regenerated like the 12 disciples ? yes or no

end of discussion

down goes your doctrine it was just exposed as being false and full of contradictions.

you will not answer my questions because they expose your false teachings.

next..................

Did Lazarus resurrect himself from death ?