Refuting effectually caused faith

[brightfame52]

You failed to deal with this

Saved through faith

Faith precedes being saved

Being made alive is being saved (you ignore this in verse 5)

Faith precedes being made alive

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

you failed to address this argument

Yes it does, for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. The parable is signifying the power of Christ and His Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Its the same greek word nekros in Lk 15 24,32

Parables are designed to signify something of the Person and Work of Christ and its success. But you dont understand it, you want to exalt man in salvation, not good

Faith is given after having been saved by grace from death in sin

Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Then afterwards Faith is given to believe Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Faith is given after one has been saved by Grace Eph 2:5

And that Faith isnt the dead sinner's faith

 

[TomL]

Yes it does, for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. The parable is signifying the power of Christ and His Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Its the same greek word nekros in Lk 15 24,32

Parables are designed to signify something of the Person and Work of Christ and its success. But you dont understand it, you want to exalt man in salvation, not good

Faith is given after having been saved by grace from death in sin

Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Then afterwards Faith is given to believe Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Faith is given after one has been saved by Grace Eph 2:5

And that Faith isnt the dead sinner's faith

You failed to deal with this

Saved through faith

Faith precedes being saved

Being made alive is being saved (you ignore this in verse 5)

Faith precedes being made alive

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

seems you are not able to address this argument

 

[brightfame52]

You failed to deal with this

Saved through faith

Faith precedes being saved

Being made alive is being saved (you ignore this in verse 5)

Faith precedes being made alive

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

seems you are not able to address this argument

Yes it does, for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. The parable is signifying the power of Christ and His Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Its the same greek word nekros in Lk 15 24,32

Parables are designed to signify something of the Person and Work of Christ and its success. But you dont understand it, you want to exalt man in salvation, not good

Faith is given after having been saved by grace from death in sin

Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Then afterwards Faith is given to believe Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Faith is given after one has been saved by Grace Eph 2:5

And that Faith isnt the dead sinner's faith

 

[TomL]

Yes it does, for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. The parable is signifying the power of Christ and His Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Its the same greek word nekros in Lk 15 24,32

Parables are designed to signify something of the Person and Work of Christ and its success. But you dont understand it, you want to exalt man in salvation, not good

Faith is given after having been saved by grace from death in sin

Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Then afterwards Faith is given to believe Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Faith is given after one has been saved by Grace Eph 2:5

And that Faith isnt the dead sinner's faith

You continue to run from the argument


Saved through faith

Faith precedes being saved

Being made alive is being saved (you ignore this in verse 5)

Faith precedes being made alive

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

seems you are not able to address this argument

 

[brightfame52]

You continue to run from the argument


Saved through faith

Faith precedes being saved

Being made alive is being saved (you ignore this in verse 5)

Faith precedes being made alive

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

seems you are not able to address this argument

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

 

[Rockson]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

A dead person was consciously aware that their condition wasn't very good and wanted to go home to God the Father. Lk 15:17

But it was fitting to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ ” Lk 15:32

 

[TomL]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

 

[brightfame52]

A dead person was consciously aware that their condition wasn't very good and wanted to go home to God the Father. Lk 15:17

But it was fitting to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ ” Lk 15:32

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

 

[Rockson]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

They can however go to the one who will restore them as the Prodigal Son did with his Father.

 

[brightfame52]

They can however go to the one who will restore them as the Prodigal Son did with his Father.

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

 

[TomL]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus

 

[TomL]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

 

[TomL]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

 

[TomL]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[brightfame52]

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

 

[TomL]

for dead people dont raise themselves from the dead. Dead people cant believe in Jesus Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Were dead in sins is in the present tense occurring at that time, its during that time Gods Grace quickened, made alive, that's effectual grace,

Hence they believe by Grace Eph 2:8; Acts 18:27

Also the quicked while dead in sins, have been forgiven of all sins, while dead in sins Col 2:13

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Their forgiveness isn't based upon anything they did[they were dead in sin], but their forgiveness formed the basis for being quickened

God does when they believe

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/refuting-effectually-caused-faith.1295/post-94676

and you are still contradicted by scripture

Acts 10:43 (KJV 1900) — 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.