Isaiah and the trinity

101G just showed you the truth, and you refused to consider it. yes, King and the father are " Two titles, and yes not two persons. the same with Father and Son, two titles, same one. the Answer to God's titles in in himself .... being the ECHAD of himself.

101G.
In Jn 17:3 the word "and" does not prove the father and son are the same person.
I know Jimmy and Joe! Does this mean Jimmy and Joe are the same person? No!

Second, I was not referring to the word "and." I am referring to the concept of one "person" sending and not sending.
So, for example explain to me how you sent yourself (meaning: you went of your own self, no one else sent you) to the store on Wed. dec. 4, 2015, at 3:19:37 pm, and yet did not send your self (meaning: someone did send you) on Wed. dec. 4, 2015 at 3:19:37 pm.
So, can you explain it?
 
In Jn 17:3 the word "and" does not prove the father and son are the same person.
I know Jimmy and Joe! Does this mean Jimmy and Joe are the same person? No!
ERROR, remember God is not a "father", he is the "Father", see the difference. as well as the "Son", and not a "son". God is ETERNAL, a "father" is not, as well as a "son". but God who is the "Father" is eternal as well as he the "Son". he, GOD is the same one person in the ECHAD of HIMSELF, as Father and Son in the ECHAD of a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, see below in the next response.
Second, I was not referring to the word "and." I am referring to the concept of one "person" sending and not sending.
So, for example explain to me how you sent yourself (meaning: you went of your own self, no one else sent you) to the store on Wed. dec. 4, 2015, at 3:19:37 pm, and yet did not send your self (meaning: someone did send you) on Wed. dec. 4, 2015 at 3:19:37 pm.
So, can you explain it?
One more time, a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, the ECHAD. ONE WORD the Greek Word G243 ALLOS. did not 101G tell you to LOOK UP THE WORD " consolation" in Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." now, definition Time. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words,
consolation, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

One who gives COMFORT is a ..... "COMFORTER" ... right... right. and One who gives HELP is a ..... "HELPER" .... right... right. now THINK... have you ever hear of these terms before... "COMFORTER", "HELPER?"... sure, listen and learn. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" see that term "another" it is the Greek term G243 ALLOS
and "ALLOS" means, Allos expresses a numerical difference (hello), and denotes another of the same sort; do you understand what a "a numerical difference" is? example, First, and, and, and, Last, or Beginning, and, and, and, End, or Root and, and, and, Offspring, or Aleph and, and, and, and, Tav. (see your and now), are you getting this. because G243 Allos states also, "of the same sort" the same sort? yes, for the term "Sort" according to dictionary.com means, 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature. 2. character, quality, or nature. .... BINGO, the same "NATURE?", scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" EQUAL "WITH?" yes ...... the same one person. as Isaiah said, the First "WITH" the Last is "ALSO" the Fist and, and, and, the Last.... THE SAME ONE PERSON. Oh this is too easy. now common character, scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" the express image of his person is his character. and express means "exact" BINGO, the same one Person.

7xLightray, you might want to copy this post. 101G by scriptures and revealed also by definition how God is sent and came, because he is the G243 Allos/a numerical difference of himself in the ECHAD. scripture don't lie, and 101G supported this by word definition.

now let's see this in real time in the scriptures. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another (G243) Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" this is the same COMFORTER that came in flesh in Luke 2:25, now returning in Spirit, listen, John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." STOP, is not the Father sending him? now real time scriptural support of sending vs coming. supportive scripture, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." but did not the Lord Jesus said, "I.... I ... will come to you?", (see again John 14:18), yes, so was he not sent by the Father? or did he come own his own? ..... (smile). Oh My God this is too easy. remember God cannot lie, nor the scriptures that is written.

101G has again showed you in scripture, definitions, and showed it to you in real time in scripture. but keep this one verse in mind. Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." many, and 101G means many would rather believe men who guide them in the ditch instead of believing God, and letting him to GUIDE all of US unto eternal LIFE.

101G.
 
ERROR, remember God is not a "father", he is the "Father", see the difference. as well as the "Son", and not a "son". God is ETERNAL, a "father" is not, as well as a "son". but God who is the "Father" is eternal as well as he the "Son". he, GOD is the same one person in the ECHAD of HIMSELF, as Father and Son in the ECHAD of a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, see below in the next response.
What are you digressing to?
"ERROR, remember God is not a "father", he is the "Father", see the difference. as well as the "Son", and not a "son""?
No I do not remember that, but I know false Christianity teaches this version of John 20:31 (which does not actually read like this), "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
No, instead John 20:31 reads this way, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Was God always the Father even before anyone, or anything, was created? What is the meaning of Father, then?
This capital "F" you know was made up, or added, by the forefathers long, long, after the disciples of Christ passed on, right?

One more time, a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, the ECHAD. ONE WORD the Greek Word G243 ALLOS. did not 101G tell you to LOOK UP THE WORD " consolation" in Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." now, definition Time. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words,
consolation, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

One who gives COMFORT is a ..... "COMFORTER" ... right... right. and One who gives HELP is a ..... "HELPER" .... right... right. now THINK... have you ever hear of these terms before... "COMFORTER", "HELPER?"... sure, listen and learn. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" see that term "another" it is the Greek term G243 ALLOS
and "ALLOS" means, Allos expresses a numerical difference (hello), and denotes another of the same sort; do you understand what a "a numerical difference" is? example, First, and, and, and, Last, or Beginning, and, and, and, End, or Root and, and, and, Offspring, or Aleph and, and, and, and, Tav. (see your and now), are you getting this. because G243 Allos states also, "of the same sort" the same sort? yes, for the term "Sort" according to dictionary.com means, 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature. 2. character, quality, or nature. .... BINGO, the same "NATURE?", scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" EQUAL "WITH?" yes ...... the same one person. as Isaiah said, the First "WITH" the Last is "ALSO" the Fist and, and, and, the Last.... THE SAME ONE PERSON. Oh this is too easy. now common character, scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" the express image of his person is his character. and express means "exact" BINGO, the same one Person.

7xLightray, you might want to copy this post. 101G by scriptures and revealed also by definition how God is sent and came, because he is the G243 Allos/a numerical difference of himself in the ECHAD. scripture don't lie, and 101G supported this by word definition.

now let's see this in real time in the scriptures. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another (G243) Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" this is the same COMFORTER that came in flesh in Luke 2:25, now returning in Spirit, listen, John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." STOP, is not the Father sending him? now real time scriptural support of sending vs coming. supportive scripture, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." but did not the Lord Jesus said, "I.... I ... will come to you?", (see again John 14:18), yes, so was he not sent by the Father? or did he come own his own? ..... (smile). Oh My God this is too easy. remember God cannot lie, nor the scriptures that is written.

101G has again showed you in scripture, definitions, and showed it to you in real time in scripture. but keep this one verse in mind. Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." many, and 101G means many would rather believe men who guide them in the ditch instead of believing God, and letting him to GUIDE all of US unto eternal LIFE.

101G.
But this example is not of Jesus saying, He is coming not of His own accord. And these words "I will come to you" do not mean of His own accord, or not of His own accord, but rather going by the context, the Father and Son working together as persons. The Father person is sending the spirit, and also Jesus' person sending the spirit, and both are coming, but by/through the spirit. Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God on His throne, and will be returning, soon!

Jesus did not say (of this sending of the spirit) that He was not coming of His own accord, but here, when the first time He came, in Jn 17:3; 7:27-29; 8:42 Jesus did say, He did not come of His own accord. That would be the difference.

"another (G243) Comforter"
Sure okay, different in kind. Jesus is in bodily form, and the spirit is not in bodily form.

"this is the same COMFORTER that came in flesh in Luke 2:25,"
In Lk 2:25?
 
No I do not remember that, but I know false Christianity teaches this version of John 20:31 (which does not actually read like this), "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
No, instead John 20:31 reads this way, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Was God always the Father even before anyone, or anything, was created? What is the meaning of Father, then?
This capital "F" you know was made up, or added, by the forefathers long, long, after the disciples of Christ passed on, right?
first, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." now this, Luke 3:8 "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

G3962 πατήρ pater (pa-teer') n. the meaning of "Father".
generator or male ancestor either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents. a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David. fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation one advanced in years, a senior

God is called the Father of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler.
of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector
of spiritual beings and of all men.

101G
 
first, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." now this, Luke 3:8 "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

G3962 πατήρ pater (pa-teer') n. the meaning of "Father".
generator or male ancestor either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents. a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David. fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation one advanced in years, a senior

God is called the Father of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler.
of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector
of spiritual beings and of all men.

101G
Ya okay, so if that is the reason He is the "Father," then He was not the "Father" before He was "creator, upholder, ruler" (actually this is more like the definition of "God" in Gen 1 and 1:26).

This was my question, "Was God always the Father even before anyone, or anything, was created? What is the meaning of Father, then?"
So according to your statement God was not the "Father" with a capital "F" before creation.

Here is the father and son..
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his father, making himself equal with God.
Joh 16:27 For the father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

There is no capital "F" in k.Greek.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Making God a father, of His son!
 
Ya okay, so if that is the reason He is the "Father," then He was not the "Father" before He was "creator, upholder, ruler" (actually this is more like the definition of "God" in Gen 1 and 1:26).
Ya OK? see, you cannot understand, Last time, Genesis 4:19 "And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah." Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." this term "father" here simply means he was the first author and inventor of tents or movable habitations.

well God is the "FIRST", supportive scripture, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." see that term "beginning" it means, H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

see that first definition, "THE FIRST" in..... First and what do "father" means, THE FIRST, or the AUTHOR.

see 7 this is why you cannot understand. the LORD Jesus is the "First" of all creation, for he is the AUTHOR of it. and he is the LAST of this creation that he has made.

sorry 7 you need to get a BASISC understanding in what 101G is saying and talking about...... good day.

101G

ps please read this post again in trying to understand God the LORD Jesus as CREATOR.
 
Ya OK? see, you cannot understand, Last time, Genesis 4:19 "And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah." Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." this term "father" here simply means he was the first author and inventor of tents or movable habitations.

well God is the "FIRST", supportive scripture, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." see that term "beginning" it means, H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

see that first definition, "THE FIRST" in..... First and what do "father" means, THE FIRST, or the AUTHOR.

see 7 this is why you cannot understand. the LORD Jesus is the "First" of all creation, for he is the AUTHOR of it. and he is the LAST of this creation that he has made.

sorry 7 you need to get a BASISC understanding in what 101G is saying and talking about...... good day.

101G

ps please read this post again in trying to understand God the LORD Jesus as CREATOR.
I understood what you are saying here, and I'm not denying this use of the word "father," but you are not hearing, or understanding this.. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
No, no, no, notice the words "only"; "only begotten"; "only..son"; "only begotten son" We humans are adopted into the family. There are no other sons like the literal son of God!
 
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