7xLightray
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I did not find a question mark, but this seems to be in the form of a question, "If John was wrong in 1:1 how can you prove it when no one else seems to agree."
Ya but what are they screaming, truth, or a lie. What about the 400 lying prophets, and the 1 Micaiah that spoke the truth 1 Kings 22.
Are you making an argument for doctrine out of single letter of a word, a capital letter that does not even exist in k.Greek?
Yes, I would agree they are referencing a person.
First, I do not claim John was wrong in 1:1, nor do I wish to. I claim Trinitarians, and oneness, and Unitarians, and J.W. and the like are wrong.
There are no capital letters in k.Greek, so, how could John be wrong in 1:1, when he did not write a capital letter? You switch it from being the translators error to being John's error. It was the translators that added to what John wrote in the Bible.
But, you'll have to ask the translators why they chose to do what they did. In my John MacArthur Study Bible it states "Personal pronouns are capitalized when pertaining to deity." And at Jn 1:1 MacArthur has a nice little write up about the word "Word," as essentially impersonal, but then concludes by his own reasoning that John meant it personal, if you can get your hands on a copy, or maybe somehow I could help. So, it is a personal choice, maybe they were influenced by "and the word was God," and the pronoun "him" in verse 3, and already believed in advance that the word was a person, would be some of my guesses.
Those who have studied the languages and translations, also do things like this also, for example...
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but [or: if not] he that came down from heaven, even [this word is add to the text, and with no justification for it being there, and what does "even the Son of man" even mean in this context, were there other men, I thought "no man hath"?! it makes it confusing in this context] the Son of man which isG5607 [this is the word "being"G5607. this is the participle of the word "is"G1510, but we would not say "ising," we would say "being" and it fits perfectly in the sentence, and I think it makes it more understandable, so why did they not use that word? I have my own opinions] in heaven.
There is no perfect Scroll or translation, but it does not matter, if one has the right foundation.
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion.
Do you understand Adam And Eve? Adam is not Eve, and Eve is not Adam, yet, Adam is Eve, and Eve is Adam!
I'm not absolutely sure what you are trying to say hear.. "that if it was God's own spoken word that spoke creation into being... then every time we read or hear that the word became flesh (ie Jesus) that God would in fact he His own son." ..it is cute though, why is God's spoken word speaking? And why do you say the Father is the son, it's not clear to me how you got there, or what exactly you mean by this?
Anyway, this is probably what you are looking for, some scriptures as to why I believe Jesus was not a person before He became man (though He was living).
Psa 33:6 By the word [Logos in k.Greek version the Septuagint] of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
Jn 1:14 "And the Word became flesh.."
Jn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh [the word/bread that came down from heaven that was a person, became flesh, is flesh?!], which I will give for the life of the world.
This is the same word "become/became" (εγενετοG1096 V-2ADI-3S) in Jn 1:14 that is used when Satan tempts Christ saying, “..If you are the Son of God, command this stone to become (γενηταιG1096 V-2ADS-3S) bread.” - Luke 4:3.
Do you think Satan meant put a coat of bread around a stone?
Isa 55:10 “For as the rain and the snow [referring to God's spoken word] come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
Isa 55:11 so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it [Jn 17:3].
Reading with all of John 6, focusing on Jn 6:51, even Jn 1:1, 14.
Psa 22:9-10 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. 10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
Are these referring to flesh, a body, nature, or a being becoming a person.
Isa 45:4 For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I call you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.
Isa 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me,
1 Pet 1:20 He was foreknown [not know but foreknown] before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
1 Pet 1:21 who through him are believers in God [the Father], who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God [the Father].
YIKES! 
YIKES!
