Gods Inability to save

[GodsGrace]

All will be judged. All do not hear the gospel however. Until you address that fact I think we are done here. Chasing your rabbit traiks is getting old.

Good talk

Right.
You refuse scripture.
Fine with me...It's God you have to consider.


Now answer me this.

If God desires ALL to be saved:
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Then:
WHY are not all men saved?


I answered YOUR question at least 4 times.

Can you answer MY question at least ONE TIME?

 

[GodsGrace]

First, which I asked first, do you concede millions have never heard the gospel let alone the God of the Bible? I can help if you like. Lol

Funny Presby.

I know you really cannot...
but give it a go.

IF God desires all men to be saved
1 Timothy 2:4

WHY aren't they?


Of course I concede that billions have not heard the gospel.
The problem is that YOU don't HEAR the NT.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So not everyone who knows the truth will be saved eh?

no of course not,

not unless they act on the truth..

many who call themselves christians know the truth and will not be saved. They will stand in front of God boasting of all their works. and Jesus will say depart from me for I NEVER KNEW YOU

 

[Jim]

Those that believe do so by grace, not by sinful volition. If and when you can provide me with a verse that explicitly assigns salvific causality to the sinner's volition, I will reconsider.

It takes both, grace and faith.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Grace is God's part; faith is man's part. Calling it sinful volition doesn't change what it is.

Mar 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Believing in God, i.e., faith, comes before being saved.

 

[GodsGrace]

no of course not,

not unless they act on the truth..

many who call themselves christians know the truth and will not be saved. They will stand in front of God boasting of all their works. and Jesus will say depart from me for I NEVER KNEW YOU

You said this EG:

"many who call themselves christians know the truth and will not be saved. They will stand in front of God boasting of all their works. and Jesus will say depart from me for I NEVER KNEW YOU"

Boasting of all their works.....
And Jesus will say...depart from Me, I never knew you.
This is serious stuff EG.
THIS is who Jesus will ask to depart from Him.
HE stated who that will be:

Matthew 7:23
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Those who PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS will be told to depart.
And what does it mean to PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS?
It means those that do not OBEY God.

And what must we do to OBEY §God?

Here's what JESUS said we must do:

John 5:28-29
28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Those who did good deeds/works to a resurrection of LIFE.


It would be good for you to stop contradicting what JESUS taught.

 

[MTMattie]

Thank you...very clearly expressed but if "they are incapable of sin." yet they receive the wages of, the judgement upon, sinfulness...it seems slightly unfair and unjust, no?

Well, if you had the opportunity to be in heaven with your savior...or continue in life in this earth... would you choose life?

A baby has experienced nothing. The spirit implanted within the child would ... as Eccl 12:7 put it...then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Only thing dead would be the flesh.

That is not unfair to me... I think that well could be a blessing for I know of our neighbors child born with spina bifida AND cerebral palsy and has lived well into her 40s with the mentality of a 5 year old, never having walked, or even said a coherent word.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You said this EG:

"many who call themselves christians know the truth and will not be saved. They will stand in front of God boasting of all their works. and Jesus will say depart from me for I NEVER KNEW YOU"

Boasting of all their works.....
And Jesus will say...depart from Me, I never knew you.
This is serious stuff EG.
THIS is who Jesus will ask to depart from Him.
HE stated who that will be:

Matthew 7:23
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Those who PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS will be told to depart.
And what does it mean to PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS?
It means those that do not OBEY God.

see what deceivers do. They cut off parts of a conversation. and act as if this proves them right, while refusing to post the whole post. which would prove them wrong

so instead of allowing you to be deceptive. lets look at the whole conversation

21& Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Here is what we know

1. Not everyone who comes and says Lord Lord will enter
2. These people appeared to do the will of God. they professed all their good works they did in Jesus name
3. Jesus said outright. I NEVER KNEW YOU (these people did not lose salvation. they were never saved)
4. They practiced sin

Just like John said in his epistle

1 John 3: 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. (Hence by defenition. Jesus never knew them either)
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1. A child of God can not live in sin.
2. If they can not live in sin, they can not "sin" themselves out of salvation
3. Whoever lives in sin, has never known God and is of the devil

these are the people Jesus spoke about. they may have claimed they were believers. the may have done good works. but they were impostors.

And what must we do to OBEY §God?

Here's what JESUS said we must do:

John 5:28-29
28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


Those who did good deeds/works to a resurrection of LIFE.


It would be good for you to stop contradicting what JESUS taught.

And who does Good deeds?

a good perfect way to show you this twice in one post so you can see and not be able to deny you have been shown

1 John 3: 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

THEY HAVE BEEN BORN OF GOD.

John 5 is descriptive, NOT PRESCRIPTIVE

Sorry sis. I am done being nice. I am sick of being falsely accused. I am sick of a false gospel of self righteousness. And I am sick of people who have a vendetta against Calvin, and try to take this vendetta out on me and my brothers and sister

 

[Doug Brents]

Thank you...very clearly expressed

I appreciate that.

but if "they are incapable of sin." yet they receive the wages of, the judgement upon, sinfulness...it seems slightly unfair and unjust, no?

I believe that would be unfair and unjust (but God is Just), so I believe that infants and the unborn do not receive the wages of sinfulness, because they have not yet sinned. The penalty for sin is only imposed when that individual sins, not just because they have the capacity and propensity to sin.

 

[Presby02]

Funny Presby.

I know you really cannot...
but give it a go.

IF God desires all men to be saved
1 Timothy 2:4

WHY aren't they?


Of course I concede that billions have not heard the gospel.
The problem is that YOU don't HEAR the NT.

Because He has not determined to do so. He could if He had determined to do so. Also, as I stated, your presuming all means all without exception. You do not even attempt to make a case for your silly understanding.

Ahh....yet God desires to save them? Why would He not make sure every last person hears the gospel? He could do that no?

 

[Presby02]

Right.
You refuse scripture.
Fine with me...It's God you have to consider.


Now answer me this.

If God desires ALL to be saved:
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Then:
WHY are not all men saved?


I answered YOUR question at least 4 times.

Can you answer MY question at least ONE TIME?

You who is the all in your proof text? LOL Got a post number?

 

[GodsGrace]

Because He has not determined to do so. He could if He had determined to do so. Also, as I stated, your presuming all means all without exception. You do not even attempt to make a case for your silly understanding.

Ahh....yet God desires to save them? Why would He not make sure every last person hears the gospel? He could do that no?

§So God is schizophrenic?

He DESIRES to do so...
but
He has not determined to do so....

OK

You're unable to reply because your THEOLOGY is not biblical,
heretical and blasphemous.

It is not biblical because scripture does not teach what you believe.

It is heretical because it does not teach mainline Christianity.
It is teaching a DIFFERENT gospel.


It is blasphemous because it changes the loving, merciful and just nature of God.
It is blasphemous because, by stating that God created evil and determines everything that will happen,
your theology attributes to §God the works of satan.

 

[GodsGrace]

You who is the all in your proof text? LOL Got a post number?

No further comment to you.
§When you understand what YOUR theology is....
come back and we'll discuss.

 

[Presby02]

§So God is schizophrenic?

He DESIRES to do so...
but
He has not determined to do so....

OK

You're unable to reply because your THEOLOGY is not biblical,
heretical and blasphemous.

It is not biblical because scripture does not teach what you believe.

It is heretical because it does not teach mainline Christianity.
It is teaching a DIFFERENT gospel.


It is blasphemous because it changes the loving, merciful and just nature of God.
It is blasphemous because, by stating that God created evil and determines everything that will happen,
your theology attributes to §God the works of satan.

Who is the all in your proof text?

I will keep asking.

Why does God not make sure every last person hears the gospel since He loves them and desires ther salvation?

I will keep asking

Attacking me does not justify the ignorance of your view and your inability to answer simple elementary questions.

 

[GodsGrace]

Who is the all in your proof text?

I will keep asking.

Why does God not make sure every last person hears the gospel since He loves them and desires ther salvation?

I will keep asking

Attacking me does not justify the ignorance of your view and your inability to answer simple elementary questions.

 

[Presby02]

No further comment to you.
§When you understand what YOUR theology is....
come back and we'll discuss.

Who is the all in your proof text?

How come God does not make sure every last person is given the opportunity to believe given He loves them and desires their salvation?

Going once.........

 

[Presby02]

Not a answer. Childish emojis do not help your cause.

 

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