brightfame52
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No such scripture exist
Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".
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FreeInChrist
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When you learn the meaning of the written word, then come back and say that.
You are wrong...
Crystal clear:
| 2 Corinthians 5:14–15 | “For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves…” (ESV, NASB, NIV, KJV all identical) | “All” (Greek πάντων / πάντας) twice in one sentence — universal scope. |
| 1 Timothy 2:6 | “who gave himself as a ransom for all” (ἀντίλυτρον ὑπὲρ πάντων) | Same Greek phrase used for “all mankind” in v. 4 just two verses earlier. |
| Hebrews 2:9 | “that he… might taste death for everyone” (ὑπὲρ παντός) | The context (vv. 5–18) is Jesus becoming man to save the human race. |
| 1 John 2:2 | “He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.” (περὶ ὅλου τοῦ κόσμου) | “Whole world” = every person in the world, not just the elect. |
| John 3:16 (with v. 17) | “God so loved the world… that whoever believes… For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.” | “World” (κόσμος) 6 times = the entire human race. |
| Isaiah 53:6 (quoted in NT) | “All we like sheep have gone astray… and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.” | Universal language fulfilled in Christ. |
Scripture explicitly teaches that Jesus died for every human being without exception. (How that universal atonement is applied — limited to believers only — is a separate question, but the scope of who He died for is plainly “all mankind.”)
brightfame52
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Again no such scripture exist
FreeInChrist
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“For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves…
Repeating... when you learn the meaning of the written word.............
You expect it will be word for word and it will not.
brightfame52
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Again no such scripture exist
civic
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There is a single point in time when one becomes born again and experiences salvation/eternal life. Maybe you are taking about the road to sanctification.Ephesians is such a difficult book.
In context, chapter 2 is talking about the believers at Ephesus having been (metaphorically) dead in sins, and then quickened - that is, made to be alive. It is a resurrection of a sort.
Eph 2:1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; ... 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
The way that the verse declares ARE SAVED has led many to think of salvation as a single act that happens at a moment in time. That's a MISunderstanding. Here in Ephesians 2, this singular event is only the beginning of salvation for the Ephesians.
The rest of the book goes on to exhort the Ephesians - now that they have been resurrected - to stay the course, to walk out the path of salvation, and contend for the faith. The book finishes talking about putting on "the full armor of God" and fighting against satan and the powers of this world.
TL;DR - Ephesians 2 is about regeneration, and there's a whole lot that comes after that initial event that is the real focus of the book.
Wick Stick
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Yes, and this is what Ephesians 2 is talking about.
I would say that they begin to walk in salvation at that point. Salvation is a state of being.
Sanctification is something different, although many Protestant churches seem to define it the way you're using it. I think they are using the word wrong, though I am in fact Protestant myself.
