brightfame52
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Yes it is.
Refuting effectually caused faith
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Johann
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While saving faith is not explicitly listed as a fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5:22-23, it is closely related to the concept of faithfulness, which is a fruit of the Spirit. Saving faith is the initial act of trust in Christ for salvation, given by God’s grace, and it leads to the presence of the Holy Spirit in the believer’s life. The Holy Spirit then produces various fruits, including faithfulness, which reflects ongoing trust and reliability in one’s walk with Christ.
Thus, saving faith can be seen as the foundation that allows the Holy Spirit to work within believers, producing the fruit of the Spirit, including faithfulness.
Yes and Amen
brightfame52
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Faithfulness is the extension of Faith, living by Faith daily is faithfulness. All the fruit are nouns, love, meekness etc So the noun Faith is explicitly listed as a fruit,
But not saving faith
One must have faith before one can receive the spirit and experience the fruit of the Spirit
Johann
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Just trying to help, I don't want to major on minors since it is not important.
Galatians 5:22 (NIV)
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Greek Text
Ὁ δὲ καρπὸς τοῦ Πνεύματός ἐστιν (ho de karpos tou Pneumatos estin): "But the fruit of the Spirit is..."
ἀγάπη, χαρά, εἰρήνη, μακροθυμία, χρηστότης, ἀγαθωσύνη, πίστις (agapē, chara, eirēnē, makrothymia, chrēstotēs, agathōsynē, pistis): "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness..."
Parsing and Morphology of πίστις (pistis)
πίστις (pistis) is a noun, feminine, singular, nominative.
Meaning: While "πίστις" can mean "faith," "trust," or "belief," in this context, it is commonly translated as "faithfulness." This reflects a quality of reliability and trustworthiness that is a result of the Holy Spirit's work in the life of a believer.
Context and Usage
Noun Usage: In Galatians 5:22, "faith" as a noun is part of the list of virtues or qualities that constitute the "fruit of the Spirit." These qualities are the results of the Holy Spirit's work within believers.
Faith vs. Faithfulness: While "faith" generally refers to belief or trust, "faithfulness" (which is how many translations render "πίστις" in this context) implies a steadfastness and reliability in one's character and actions, reflecting a consistent and loyal faith.
Cross-References for Faith as a Fruit of the Spirit
Romans 1:17 (NIV): "For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: 'The righteous will live by faith.'"
Here, "faith" (πίστις) is used as a noun indicating belief and trust in God.
Hebrews 11:1 (NIV): "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."
Again, "faith" (πίστις) is used as a noun indicating trust and belief.
Summary
In Galatians 5:22, "faith" is a noun and is part of the "fruit of the Spirit." In this context, "πίστις" (pistis) is best understood as "faithfulness," denoting a characteristic of reliability and trustworthiness that the Holy Spirit cultivates in the life of a believer. This distinction is important because it highlights the ongoing, lived-out aspect of faith as evidenced in a believer's life, complementing the initial act of saving faith.
I'd rather concede and say you are correct brother
brightfame52
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Not only is saving faith of God or caused by God its accompanied by repentance, where there is one there is the other Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Now Peter in His Doctrine of Christ taught, preached that Christ as Saviour gives or causes Repentance Acts 5:31
31 Him[Christ] hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Notice Jesus says Peter has been exalted to give repentance. The word repentance here metanoia:
to give one the ability to repent, or to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; 2 Timothy 2:25;
Now to deny this is to deny the very Doctrine of Christ !
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Heb 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Now Peter in His Doctrine of Christ taught, preached that Christ as Saviour gives or causes Repentance Acts 5:31
31 Him[Christ] hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Notice Jesus says Peter has been exalted to give repentance. The word repentance here metanoia:
- a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done
- to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
- to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins
to give one the ability to repent, or to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; 2 Timothy 2:25;
Now to deny this is to deny the very Doctrine of Christ !
brightfame52
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BTW the flesh, the natural man, what we are by nature remains in unbelief, a unbeliever, it never changes even after regeneration, the regenerate have faith though mixed with unbelief Heb 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
brightfame52
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When one is caused to repent and believe, it means the Spirit of God has applied the redemptive blood of Christ and has imparted Spiritual life, for all the redeemed must live !.
civic
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Believers have the fruit of the spirit not unbelievers. The context refuted your position.
brightfame52
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You need the Spirit to become a believer, believing is the fruit of the Spirit.
brightfame52
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The regenerated are unbelievers until the Gospel is sent to them to believe, Cornelius was regenerated however he didnt believe until Peter was sent to him so he could hear the Gospel spiritually then believe Acts 15:7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe
civic
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civic
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1/2 of all the uses in the N.T. of Pisteou are from the Gospel of John. Belief is the most essential word used by John. He learned about faith directly from Jesus. After all he was the disciple whom Jesus loved. He talked about faith and love more than all the other writers combined.
If you want to understand faith and love look no further than the writings of John. The doctrines of faith and love are the core teachings in the gospel of John. John reveals the heart of the gospel which comes through/by faith in Christ and the love of God for all the world.
hope this helps !!!
If you want to understand faith and love look no further than the writings of John. The doctrines of faith and love are the core teachings in the gospel of John. John reveals the heart of the gospel which comes through/by faith in Christ and the love of God for all the world.
hope this helps !!!
and he writes
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
civic
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Yes faith is from cover to cover in Johns gospel. He begins and ends his gospel with faith in Christ for salvation/eternal life.
Yet somehow Calvinists cannot see it
civic
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Maybe because of determinism
Maybe believing Calvinism requires one to close their eyesMaybe because of determinism
Rockson
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Believing in Calvinism does require one to be willing to accept totally contradictory concepts.....that all things are ORDAINED of God and yet this can be none by offering as they put it no violence to one's will. It sure would be nice to see more of them rise up and say ENOUGH is ENOUGH. I'm not going to allow anyone to do this crazy thing to my mind anymore.
