Refuting effectually caused faith

You should have waited before you made this statement and read what went before. Paul the Apostle in that Eph 2: 8 verse was talking in context of working by the works of the law. Jesus was talking in Jn 6:29 of the work of one's faith both two entirely different subjects and themes.

To help you think of work by the keeping of the law like football.(Eph 2: 8) Now think of the work of faith that Jesus spoke about in (Jn 6:29) like baseball. You keep going to both of these verses and think the application of the word work mean the same things. THEY DON'T. They are two entirely different things with different dynamics in how they apply just like the difference between one sport and another.

It doesn't matter that you interpret it to be a work of faith instead of a work of the law. The simple fact is that if you say that you must do a work required by God, then God is obligated to save you as payment for the work. And that nullifies grace.
 
There is no word our in the Greek

Thus Barnes notes

The author and finisher of our faith. The word “our” is not in the original here, and obscures the sense. The meaning is, he is the first and the last as an example of faith or of confidence in God—occupying in this, as in all other things, the pre-eminence, and being the most complete model that can be placed before us. The apostle had not enumerated him among those who had been distinguished for their faith, but he now refers to him as above them all; as a case that deserved to stand by itself. It is probable that there is a continuance here of the allusion to the Grecian games which the apostle had commenced in the previous verse. The word author—ἀρχηγὸν—(marg. beginner)—means properly the source, or cause of anything; or one who makes a beginning. It is rendered in Acts 3:15, 5:31, Prince; in Heb. 2:10, Captain; and in the place before us, Author. It does not elsewhere occur in the New Testament. The phrase “the beginner of faith,” or the leader on of faith, would express the idea. He is at the head of all those who have furnished an example of confidence in God, for he was himself the most illustrious instance of it. The expression, then, does not mean properly that he produces faith in us, or that we believe because he causes us to believe—whatever may be the truth about that—but that he stands at the head as the most eminent example that can be referred to on the subject of faith. We are exhorted to look to him, as if at the Grecian games there was one who stood before the racer who had previously carried away every palm of victory; who had always been triumphant, and with whom there was no one who could be compared. The word finisher—τελειωτὴν—corresponds in meaning with the word author. It means that he is the completer as well as the beginner; the last as well as the first

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Hebrews (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 291–292.

I don't care what Albert Barnes said. You should know that by now. The word "our" is understood, but even if you leave it out, Jesus is still the AUTHOR of faith. That means it's from Jesus, and not something from us.
 
Tell that to @TomL and the others. They're the ones who insist it's "This is the work required by God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent".
No need to tell me anything

John uses the word to indicate something you must do

And Paul uses it in the sense of that which earns merit

Paul as I do rejects merit in obtaining salvation and demonstrates that faith is not a system which seeks to merit salvation

Romans 4:1–5 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
 
No need to tell me anything

John uses the word to indicate something you must do

And Paul uses it in the sense of that which earns merit

Paul as I do rejects merit in obtaining salvation and demonstrates that faith is not a system which seeks to merit salvation

Romans 4:1–5 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
You're making my point for me.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt

So if faith is the work required by God, it is not grace.

Going back to "that" and "it". Both refer to a noun. "are having been saved" is not a noun.
 
I don't care what Albert Barnes said. You should know that by now. The word "our" is understood, but even if you leave it out, Jesus is still the AUTHOR of faith. That means it's from Jesus, and not something from us.
Sorry it is not in text

And the verse makes perfect sense without it

Hebrews 12:2 (LSB) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (NIV) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (UASV) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 looking only at Jesus, the originator and perfecter of the faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

That is a mighty weak basis upon which to create doctrine
 
Sorry it is not in text

And the verse makes perfect sense without it

Hebrews 12:2 (LSB) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (NIV) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (UASV) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 looking only at Jesus, the originator and perfecter of the faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

That is a mighty weak basis upon which to create doctrine

Weak? "This is the work required by God" is a house of cards any sane person could tumble with a breath.
 
You're making my point for me.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt

So if faith is the work required by God, it is not grace.

Going back to "that" and "it". Both refer to a noun. "are having been saved" is not a noun.
you ignored this

But to him that worketh not, but believeth
and this as well
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace


you will never arrive at truth by ignoring the scriptural context
 
you ignored this

But to him that worketh not, but believeth
and this as well

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace

you will never arrive at truth by ignoring the scriptural context

I didn't ignore that. It is 100% true as plainly written. It proves that you can't say "This is the work of God" means "This is the work required by God".
 
Weak? "This is the work required by God" is a house of cards any sane person could tumble with a breath.
You couldn't

Exegesis, the opinion of your peers, greek commentary are all against you

but don't divert

dependance upon a word which is not in the greek text cannot be used to support your interpretation


Sorry it is not in text

And the verse makes perfect sense without it

Hebrews 12:2 (LSB) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (NIV) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (UASV) — 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2 (NASB 2020) — 2 looking only at Jesus, the originator and perfecter of the faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

That is a mighty weak basis upon which to create doctrine
 
Yes, so it could be both. I know Greek (well, mostly), but the English points only to faith.

Raised Greek Orthodox? or pecking through some dictionary of choice?

You can ignore Greek as well as you do English.

Why study Greek if you've been enlightened? Surely you can know "spiritual things" with any help from anyone or any thing.
 
I didn't ignore that. It is 100% true as plainly written. It proves that you can't say "This is the work of God" means "This is the work required by God".
Oh but you did

And Paul refutes you

But to him that worketh not, but believeth

and this as well

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace


faith establish it is by grace

and not a system of merit
 
You nailed it!

Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Arminians don't deny that Jesus is the author of faith.

Ever heard of

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

None of these verses says anything about God granting faith to some and deny it to others.
 
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