Refuting effectually caused faith

You just said it, yourself. That's the problem with your logic. You assume that it makes no sense to command something unless the hearer has the ability to comply. But, as I pointed out, that's easy to disprove. The OT law is full of commands yet nobody was EVER able to comply except Jesus. Therefore it is a non-sequitur to assume that giving a command means the receiver can comply.

False Dichotomy. I'm going to reply to you and you're going to ignore me but everyone should know the truth.

It is not man can not obey such commands. They can. What is certain is that obeying such commands could never save someone nor could it please God relative to the desire for Eternal Life.

Calvinists dishonestly try to narrow choices down to only two options. Always.
 
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@Johann @TomL @civic

The story of the rich young ruler reads

Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Luk 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

Notice he complied....

Notice his motive. Notice how he compares to Job.

Luk 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Luk 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
Luk 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Sell all you have.... (Job lost all he had).

There is nothing like living that reveals what you truly care about....

Calvinists care about who?
 
You conflate two different things
The freewiller is guilty of arrogating to themselves a moral natural ability [believing in Christ for Salvation] instead of acknowledging it ;[believing in Christ] is to the Honor of the Sanctifying work and Power of the Holy Spirit. 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
 
um those are two different things
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
 
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !

Exactly. Amen.
 
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !

Have you ever begged someone to help you do something that you can't do for yourself?
Just how did this "empower" you to do anything?

I begged God to do for me what I couldn't do for myself. You obviously find such thing beneath your privileges supposedly given to you by "God".....
 
Have you ever begged someone to help you do something that you can't do for yourself?
Just how did this "empower" you to do anything?

I begged God to do for me what I couldn't do for myself. You obviously find such thing beneath your privileges supposedly given to you by "God".....
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
 
Have you ever begged someone to help you do something that you can't do for yourself?
Just how did this "empower" you to do anything?

I begged God to do for me what I couldn't do for myself. You obviously find such thing beneath your privileges supposedly given to you by "God".....
He didn’t need to beg God because his god saved him before his birth back before creation . No faith no repentance
 
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
Still nothing there about creating believers from unbelievers

You are reading your theology into the text
 
The freewiller is guilty of arrogating to themselves a moral natural ability [believing in Christ for Salvation] instead of acknowledging it ;[believing in Christ] is to the Honor of the Sanctifying work and Power of the Holy Spirit. 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Rather guilty of believing scripture

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Jesus clearly states he hides truth for some as otherwise they would repent and be forgiven



Mark 4:10–12 (ESV) — 10 And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that “ ‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’ ”




unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.



Mat 11:21-24 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.





The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.



What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?


John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4–11 (NIV) — 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10–17 (KJV 1900) — 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith



too bad the same cannot be said of you
 
Still nothing there about creating believers from unbelievers

You are reading your theology into the text
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
 
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
Sorry the text says nothing about making believers out of unbelievers
 
Sorry the text says nothing about making believers out of unbelievers
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
 
JFB commentary on Eph 1:19

19. exceeding—"surpassing."
power to us-ward who believe—The whole of the working of His grace, which He is carrying on, and will carry on, in us who believe. By the term "saints" (Eph 1:18), believers are regarded as absolutely perfected, and so as being God's inheritance; in this verse, as in the course of fighting the good fight of faith.

according to—in accordance wit,h, what might be expected from.

working—Greek, "the energizing"; translate, "the effectual working" (Eph 3:7). The same superhuman power was needed and exerted to make us believe, as was needed and exerted to raise Christ from the dead (Eph 1:20). Compare Php 3:10, "the power of His resurrection" (Col 2:12; 1Pe 1:3-5).

of his mighty power—Greek, "of the strength of His might."

Hence Paul contributed his believing and apostleship to the effectual power and Grace of God Eph 3:7

7 Whereof I was made a minister[believer], according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
The word made ginomai :

  1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
  2. to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
ghin'-om-ahee; a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being)

We know God made him a believer when He made him a minister Acts 9 6

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

Now was he not moments before a raging unbeliever ?
 
Hence Paul contributed his believing and apostleship to the effectual power and Grace of God Eph 3:7
I don' t mind if you quote JFB-
Calvinists, like James White,1 think that the biblical truth of total depravity, and total inability, necessitates a theory of irresistible grace (also named efficacious grace) and the notion that regeneration must precede faith.

John Calvin teaches that faith precedes regeneration. (link) But neo-Calvinists have constructed an elaborate scheme by which the saving (Titus 3:5) act of regeneration (or the new birth, being born again, or being born from above) is the means by which God brings the unconditionally elect unto Himself through Christ by that savingly-regenerative work of the Holy Spirit. Calvinists, again, like White, argue that, since sinners are “dead in sins” (cf. Eph. 2:1), then what “dead” people need is “life,” and only by the granting of new life (regeneration) will a person then trust in Christ.2

But the primary issue between the Calvinist and the Arminian on this point is a proper definition and context for “dead.” The old canard reads: “Dead people cannot trust in Christ.” Well, dead people cannot reject Christ, either. The problem is conceptualizing “dead,” at places like Ephesians 2:1, as “dead as a corpse.”

Granted, a sinner in his unregenerate state is incapable of trusting in Christ on his own, and thus the Calvinist is correct to highlight this truth. But at other places, being “dead” while still being alive does not carry the connotation of “dead as a corpse,” but rather as being separated from a right relationship with God (cf. Isa. 59:2; Luke 15:24, 32).

We believe the Bible clearly teaches that faith precedes regeneration (Jn. 1:12; 3:16, 18, 36; Acts 16:31; Rom. 3:22, 28; 4:1-25; 5:1; Gal. 2:16; 3:1-18; Eph. 2:8-9; 1 Jn. 5:13) and that the only aspect that precedes faith is the enabling grace of God. In other words, what is needed in order for someone to trust in Christ is not regenerating grace, but enabling grace. Why? Because sin has hampered one’s spiritual discernment and, being turned inward, one is incapable of desiring the universally-offered salvation of God in the Gospel of Christ. But why do some not believe?

Calvinists have a ready answer:
God has not unconditionally elected for salvation the one who remains in unbelief. If God regenerates a person, that person will believe in Christ, and can then know that he or she is the elect of God. Though we believe these answers are rife with biblical problems, we are asked a question from our perspective, and we ought to offer a biblical answer. The complication, of course, is at least two-fold: 1) we can only offer what we find in the pages of Scripture from our biblical hermeneutic; and 2) we are limited by our inability to read minds. If we were to interview every non-believer, just prior to death, as to why he or she refused to believe in Christ, we may conclude with as many answers as there are interviewees, and still argue that often, throughout their lives, various graces of God were evident.

For example, Jesus encounters a wealthy man, who approaches Jesus asking what good deeds he might accomplish in order to receive eternal life. From a conservative evangelical perspective, here is the opportunity for Jesus to inform the young man to place his trust in Him as Lord and Savior, and then be baptized. But Jesus challenges the motive of the young man calling Him “good,” noting that only God is good, and then commands him to obey the commandments! What evangelical today would inform a seeming seeker to keep the Ten Commandments in order to receive eternal life? Does Jesus even know about the Plan of Salvation, the Four Spiritual Laws, or the Way of the Master? His “witnessing techniques,” at least according to conservative evangelical standards, are sorely lacking and quite heretical.

To another man Jesus commands to keep the first two primary commandments, loving God and neighbor, and he shall receive eternal life. (Luke 10:28) I have never heard that remark in any conservative evangelical church. But what do these two instances inform us about people rejecting the reception of eternal life? A Calvinist may proffer that God the Father had not unconditionally elected these two individuals and, therefore, they did not believe. But that is far too presumptuous an interpretation when considering the contexts. Both men wanted to justify themselves. (Matt. 19:20; Luke 10:29) However, at least regarding the first man, Jesus genuinely offered to the man eternal life and personal discipleship. (Matt. 19:17, 21) Why would Jesus offer the man eternal life knowing that he was, allegedly, not an unconditionally elect person? Jesus then speaks these intriguing words: “Truly I tell you, it will be hard [δυσκόλως, with great difficulty] for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 19:23, 24) Difficult?

JESUS AND THE RICH YOUNG RULER

In light of the Calvinist’s presupposition of unconditional election, I find Jesus’ words here completely contradictory, since an unconditionally elect person is allegedly regenerated in order for him or her to believe in Christ. What is so “difficult” about that? The concept of “difficulty” implies an inner struggle, warring desires, and the use of reason in deliberating between two or more options. Clearly, Jesus is not thinking like a Calvinist. Granted, being asked by the disciples, “Then who can be saved?” (Matt. 19:25), Jesus answers, “For mortals it is impossible, but for God all things are possible” (Matt. 19:26), but this conclusion in no sense distracts us from His two statements that rich people only with great difficulty enter the kingdom of heaven.
Concerning the young rich man, his disbelief can be attributed to his love for wealth, and his unwillingness to love the Lord instead. Regarding the other man, mentioned at Luke 10:28-29, his self-justifying pride kept him from faith and salvation. Here we find two different men, from two different contexts, and two different reasons for lack of faith. What we do not find, implicit or explicit, is any notion that lack of faith is due to lack of being one of God’s unconditionally elect persons. Was a demonstrable grace operative within each man?

St John informs us that grace and truth are in Jesus (John 1:17), and that we have all received grace upon grace (John 1:16); we are taught that Jesus, as the Light of the world (John 8:12) is the Light and Life of all (John 1:4), with an intent that by that Light “all might believe” (John 1:7); this Light enlightens everyone in the world (John 1:9), as this Light inwardly draws all unto Himself (John 12:32), through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (John 16:8-11). For both of those men to have encountered Grace Incarnate, Jesus Christ, we must confess that a demonstrable grace was evident within their hearts and minds as they encountered the Living Word of God.

If we rely on Scripture, rather than faulty presuppositions, then we are obliged to argue that the reason why some people do not believe is because of their own free rejection of the grace of God. We argue that a person must be convicted by the Holy Spirit of one’s sins (John 16:8-11), drawn by God (John 6:44, 45, 65), granted the honor of faith in Christ (Phil. 1:29), bestowed with the proactive grace of God leading one to repentance and faith (Rom. 2:4) and then actually believe in Jesus (Rom. 3:25), in His atoning death and resurrection (Rom. 10:9, 10), in order to be saved (regenerated) by God (John 3:5, 8; Titus 3:5). So, then, sinners are given a gracious enabling that allows them to freely trust in Christ. However, they must trust in Christ, for God does not trust in Christ for them. (Acts 2:21; 4:12; 11:14; 14:22, 27; 15:9, 11; 16:30, 31; 20:21; 26:18; Rom. 1:5, 16, 17; 3:22, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30; 4:5, 9, 11, 12, 16, 22; 5:9, 10; 10:9, 10, 13; 1 Cor. 15:2; Eph. 2:5, 8, 2 Thess. 2:10; 1 Tim. 2:4; Titus 3:5; Heb. 10:39) Some believe and others do not believe. The reasons are myriad. Praise for the gracious response of the believer belongs to God, in Christ, by means of the Holy Spirit. Blame for the stubborn rejection of His grace belongs to the sinner. God’s integrity is left intact.

The response of the believer to the inner grace of God through faith in Christ is not an indication that she is “more wise” than the non-believer, in any sense “better” than the non-believer, or determined her own salvation. Recall that only God saves and He has elected to save believers. (John 3:15, 16, 36; 4:14; 5:24, 40; 6:47; 6:50-58; 20:31; Rom 3:21-30; 4:3-5; 4:9, 11, 13, 16; 4:20-24; 5:1, 2; 9:30-33; 10:4; 10:9-13; 1 Cor 1:21; 15:1-2; Gal 2:15-16; 3:2-9; 3:11; 3:14, 22, 24; 3:26-28; Eph 1:13; 2:8; Phil 3:9; Heb 3:6, 14; 3:18-19; 4:2-3; 6:12; 1 John 2:23-25; 5:10-13, 20) Calvinist J.I. Packer misleadingly argues that Arminianism leads us to think that salvation ultimately depends “on something we do for ourselves.”3 R.C. Sproul shrewdly states the matter thusly: “Usually Arminians deny that their faith is a meritorious work.” Actually, the apostle Paul is the one who explicitly teaches that faith is not a meritorious work (Rom. 4:4-5), so the following words from Sproul should actually be directed toward the apostle rather than Arminians [words in brackets are mine]:

Arminians have, historically and at present, insisted that no one can believe in Christ unless the Holy Spirit performs an inward work that enables one to respond with faith in Christ. Contradictorily, Sproul even acknowledges as much in the very same book in which he backtracks and accuses Arminians for maintaining an inherent ability to believe in Christ: “Again it seems that Arminius is merely echoing the teaching of Luther and Calvin. He affirms the absolute necessity of grace for man to turn to the good, and he even speaks of the Holy Spirit working ‘within’ man to accomplish all of this.”5 How, then, can Sproul argue above: “All the Arminian wants and intends to assert is that man has the ability to exercise the instrumental cause of faith without first being regenerated”?6 Did the same man write both chapters?

Moreover, Sproul is calling into question the Arminian belief that a person chooses to believe, by the gracious enabling of the Holy Spirit, as already mentioned, and then adds: “But all Christians agree that faith is something we do. God does not do the believing for us.”7 (emphasis added)

If this is true, then he and all other Calvinists, including J.I. Packer, are equally as “guilty” (allegedly) of saving themselves, of being able to boast in their “good decision to believe in Christ,” and their good-yet-unmeritorious work. I admit to being absolutely astounded by the double standards and the straw man arguments presented by these Calvinist scholars. Their errors are so elementary, with regard to Arminianism, and so very obvious that I am surprised that the editors and publishing houses that released their works failed to recognize them.
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In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
Toward those who believe

not toward those who did not believe

The verse is contrary to your beliefs
 
In addition, ones believing is the effect of Gods super creating power, the same power He exercised when He raised Jesus from the Dead Eph 1:19-20

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,
and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

To say that believing is according to mans freewill is to usurp the very Power of God which is the reason why the elect believe. Hence believing isnt of ourselves. So believing is effectually caused by Gods Power !
Nope the context is the same power that raised ?Christ from the dead is the same power of the indwelling Holy Spirit in believers- Gods work is saving and giving the Holy Spirit- to those who believe- the same order we read in John 1:12-13 and many other places. Faith precedes life/salvation/the indwelling Holy Spirit.

cart before horse again by you.

hope this helps !!!
 
Nope the context is the same power that raised ?Christ from the dead is the same power of the indwelling Holy Spirit in believers- Gods work is saving and giving the Holy Spirit- to those who believe- the same order we read in John 1:12-13 and many other places. Faith precedes life/salvation/the indwelling Holy Spirit.

cart before horse again by you.

hope this helps !!!
He/she ignores the power is toward believers.

Not toward unbelievers to make them believers
 
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