Refuting effectually caused faith

scripture shows otherwise

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance

Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
One must be regenerated before they can believe, otherwise we are dead in sin, believing is an activity of Spiritual life, its the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22,

Christ as the Risen Saviour gives the Holy Spirit to all for whom He died and saved, and the Spirit works Faith with repentance in them Acts 5:31

Acts 5:31 (KJV)

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Thats why when He ascended and sat down at right hand of God, and then the Father gave Him the Spirit to regenerate them He died for Acts

2:32-33

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Thats where Faith comes from, the Application work of the Spirit on behalf of Christs redeeming death.
 
One must be regenerated before they can believe, otherwise we are dead in sin, believing is an activity of Spiritual life, its the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22,

Christ as the Risen Saviour gives the Holy Spirit to all for whom He died and saved, and the Spirit works Faith with repentance in them Acts 5:31

Acts 5:31 (KJV)

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Thats why when He ascended and sat down at right hand of God, and then the Father gave Him the Spirit to regenerate them He died for Acts

2:32-33

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Thats where Faith comes from, the Application work of the Spirit on behalf of Christs redeeming death.
You cannot deal with scripture

scripture shows otherwise

Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life



The following verses show faith precedes life

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -

One is made a child of God through faith

John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection.



We are raised spiritually through faith

Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel

James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.


Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation

Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

it is through faith we are saved

EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

.

Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

which requires both faith and repentance

Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
One must be regenerated before they can believe, otherwise we are dead in sin, believing is an activity of Spiritual life, its the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
John 3:36 - "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them."

John 10:28 - "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand."

John 17:3 - "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

1 John 5:11 - "And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

1 John 5:13 - "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life."

John 4:14 - "but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

1 Timothy 6:12 - "Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses."

1 John 5:20 - "And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."

John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

John 6:40 - "For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

1 John 2:25 - "And this is what he promised us—eternal life."

1 John 5:12 - "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life."

John 5:24 - "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

John 6:47 - "Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life."

John 6:54 - "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

John 6:68 - "Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.'"

Romans 5:21 - "so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

1 John 5:10 - "Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son."

John 6:40 - "For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

These verses highlight the significance of faith in Jesus Christ as the gateway to eternal life according to the teachings of the Bible.

The question of whether regeneration precedes faith is a contentious issue within Christian theology, with some advocating for a monergistic view where regeneration occurs before faith, while others argue that faith precedes regeneration.

This debate is particularly relevant within the context of Calvinism, where the concept of regeneration is closely tied to the idea of the new birth and the sovereign work of God in salvation.

From an exegetical perspective, the Bible presents a clear and consistent teaching that faith precedes regeneration.

The key verses that support this understanding are John 1:12-13, 1 John 5:12, and Titus 3:5, which all emphasize the role of faith in receiving eternal life and the new birth.

John 1:12-13 states, "But to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." This passage highlights the role of faith in receiving eternal life and the new birth, indicating that faith is the means by which individuals become children of God.

1 John 5:12 states, "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life." This verse underscores the importance of faith in receiving eternal life, emphasizing that those who believe in Jesus have life, while those who do not believe do not have life.

Titus 3:5 states, "He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit." This passage emphasizes the role of the Holy Spirit in regeneration, but it does not suggest that regeneration precedes faith. Instead, it presents regeneration as a result of faith, indicating that the washing of regeneration is a consequence of the believer's faith.

In conclusion, while the debate over whether regeneration precedes faith is ongoing within Christian theology, the Bible presents a clear and consistent teaching that faith precedes regeneration. The key verses mentioned above, particularly John 1:12-13, 1 John 5:12, and Titus 3:5, all emphasize the role of faith in receiving eternal life and the new birth, indicating that faith is the means by which individuals become children of God and receive eternal life.

So what about those Scriptures that run contrary to the “regeneration precedes faith” idea? The following texts indicate that faith precedes regeneration and initial salvation (cp. Eph. 2:5, where to be “made…alive” is connected with having been “saved”):

Luke 8:12: “Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.” (Faith/believing results in salvation.)

John 1:12: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.” (Faith/believing precedes salvation.)

John 3:15-16: “…so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” (Faith/believing precedes regeneration.)

Acts 2:38: “Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (See a similar passage in Acts 3:19-21: “Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away [cleansing from sin], in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord [regeneration?]; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.”) (Repentance/returning [which includes faith] leads to regeneration—receiving the Spirit.)

Acts 11:18: “When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, ‘Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.’” (Repentance leads to regeneration.)

Acts 16:31: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Faith/believing leads to salvation.)

Romans 10:9-10: “…if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved, for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Faith/believing results in salvation.)

1 Corinthians 1:21: “For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.” (Faith/believing precedes salvation.)

I could add other texts, but I trust this will suffice. And for a bit more theological context to our discussion, see chapter 6 of my coauthored book An Introduction to Biblical Ethics: Walking in the Way of Wisdom (IVP Academic). But let me offer a few concluding remarks to put things in perspective:

First, God must initiate salvation. In doing so, God routinely exerts genuine, salvifically-directed influences of all kinds even they are in the end rejected. Because God must initiate salvation, we can reject Pelagianism—that, in themselves, humans have the capacity to live sinlessly. We also reject semi–Pelagianism—that humans can, without divine aid, take the first earnest steps toward God, who then responds to us; this view, held by John Cassian, was condemned at the Council of Orange in France in 529. Indeed, we see repeatedly throughout Scripture that the initiative God takes in freely offering salvation is resistible (e.g., Psalm 81:10-13; Isa. 5:1-7).

Second, we should be careful about over-dogmatizing an order of salvation when the Scriptures are less than clear on a number of them. Let us strive to keep the main thing the main thing.

Third, as believers called to love one another, we should avoid castigating others as “semi-Pelagians” who do not embrace a Reformed view of “regeneration precedes faith.” If we did, we would have to condemn respected Reformed theologians like Millard Erickson, who acknowledge that the Scriptures do not teach this. But beyond this, we should exhibit a charitable spirit to those with whom we disagree on secondary and tertiary matters: “In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.”



[1] See chapter 5 in R.C. Sproul’s Chosen by God (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale, 1994).

[2] See R.T. France, “Conversion in the New Testament,” Evangelical Quarterly 65 (1993): 291-310.

[3] For example, David Peterson, Possessed by God: A New Testament Theology of Sanctification and Holiness (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2001).

[4] Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1941), 416.

[5] Millard J. Erickson, Christian Theology, 2nd ed. (Grand Rapids: Baker, 2004), 901-78.
 
John 3:36 - "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them."

John 10:28 - "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand."

John 17:3 - "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

1 John 5:11 - "And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

1 John 5:13 - "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life."

John 4:14 - "but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

1 Timothy 6:12 - "Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses."

1 John 5:20 - "And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."

John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

John 6:40 - "For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

1 John 2:25 - "And this is what he promised us—eternal life."

1 John 5:12 - "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life."

John 5:24 - "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life."

John 6:47 - "Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life."

John 6:54 - "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

John 6:68 - "Simon Peter answered him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.'"

Romans 5:21 - "so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

1 John 5:10 - "Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son."

John 6:40 - "For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

These verses highlight the significance of faith in Jesus Christ as the gateway to eternal life according to the teachings of the Bible.

The question of whether regeneration precedes faith is a contentious issue within Christian theology, with some advocating for a monergistic view where regeneration occurs before faith, while others argue that faith precedes regeneration.

This debate is particularly relevant within the context of Calvinism, where the concept of regeneration is closely tied to the idea of the new birth and the sovereign work of God in salvation.

From an exegetical perspective, the Bible presents a clear and consistent teaching that faith precedes regeneration.

The key verses that support this understanding are John 1:12-13, 1 John 5:12, and Titus 3:5, which all emphasize the role of faith in receiving eternal life and the new birth.

John 1:12-13 states, "But to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." This passage highlights the role of faith in receiving eternal life and the new birth, indicating that faith is the means by which individuals become children of God.

1 John 5:12 states, "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life." This verse underscores the importance of faith in receiving eternal life, emphasizing that those who believe in Jesus have life, while those who do not believe do not have life.

Titus 3:5 states, "He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit." This passage emphasizes the role of the Holy Spirit in regeneration, but it does not suggest that regeneration precedes faith. Instead, it presents regeneration as a result of faith, indicating that the washing of regeneration is a consequence of the believer's faith.

In conclusion, while the debate over whether regeneration precedes faith is ongoing within Christian theology, the Bible presents a clear and consistent teaching that faith precedes regeneration. The key verses mentioned above, particularly John 1:12-13, 1 John 5:12, and Titus 3:5, all emphasize the role of faith in receiving eternal life and the new birth, indicating that faith is the means by which individuals become children of God and receive eternal life.

So what about those Scriptures that run contrary to the “regeneration precedes faith” idea? The following texts indicate that faith precedes regeneration and initial salvation (cp. Eph. 2:5, where to be “made…alive” is connected with having been “saved”):

Luke 8:12: “Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.” (Faith/believing results in salvation.)

John 1:12: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.” (Faith/believing precedes salvation.)

John 3:15-16: “…so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” (Faith/believing precedes regeneration.)

Acts 2:38: “Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (See a similar passage in Acts 3:19-21: “Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away [cleansing from sin], in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord [regeneration?]; and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.”) (Repentance/returning [which includes faith] leads to regeneration—receiving the Spirit.)

Acts 11:18: “When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, ‘Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.’” (Repentance leads to regeneration.)

Acts 16:31: “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Faith/believing leads to salvation.)

Romans 10:9-10: “…if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved, for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” (Faith/believing results in salvation.)

1 Corinthians 1:21: “For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.” (Faith/believing precedes salvation.)

I could add other texts, but I trust this will suffice. And for a bit more theological context to our discussion, see chapter 6 of my coauthored book An Introduction to Biblical Ethics: Walking in the Way of Wisdom (IVP Academic). But let me offer a few concluding remarks to put things in perspective:

First, God must initiate salvation. In doing so, God routinely exerts genuine, salvifically-directed influences of all kinds even they are in the end rejected. Because God must initiate salvation, we can reject Pelagianism—that, in themselves, humans have the capacity to live sinlessly. We also reject semi–Pelagianism—that humans can, without divine aid, take the first earnest steps toward God, who then responds to us; this view, held by John Cassian, was condemned at the Council of Orange in France in 529. Indeed, we see repeatedly throughout Scripture that the initiative God takes in freely offering salvation is resistible (e.g., Psalm 81:10-13; Isa. 5:1-7).

Second, we should be careful about over-dogmatizing an order of salvation when the Scriptures are less than clear on a number of them. Let us strive to keep the main thing the main thing.

Third, as believers called to love one another, we should avoid castigating others as “semi-Pelagians” who do not embrace a Reformed view of “regeneration precedes faith.” If we did, we would have to condemn respected Reformed theologians like Millard Erickson, who acknowledge that the Scriptures do not teach this. But beyond this, we should exhibit a charitable spirit to those with whom we disagree on secondary and tertiary matters: “In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.”



[1] See chapter 5 in R.C. Sproul’s Chosen by God (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale, 1994).

[2] See R.T. France, “Conversion in the New Testament,” Evangelical Quarterly 65 (1993): 291-310.

[3] For example, David Peterson, Possessed by God: A New Testament Theology of Sanctification and Holiness (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2001).

[4] Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1941), 416.

[5] Millard J. Erickson, Christian Theology, 2nd ed. (Grand Rapids: Baker, 2004), 901-78.
One must be regenerated before they can believe, otherwise we are dead in sin, believing is an activity of Spiritual life, its the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
 
One must be regenerated before they can believe, otherwise we are dead in sin, believing is an activity of Spiritual life, its the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
Apparently not-and very apparent you have not read anything so I don't have to repeat myself.
This is a debate-I show you Scriptures and you show me Scripture and we have a amicable dialogue-you go through my rebuttals while I go to you one, solitary verse-without context.
For the edification of the somati of Jesus Christ.
 
The question of whether regeneration precedes faith is a contentious issue within Christian theology, with some advocating for a monergistic view where regeneration occurs before faith, while others argue that faith precedes regeneration.
Precious friend, perchance that I am the only one with the third alternative 'view' of "No contention"?:

The [ No 'before/after', But The ]:​
Simultaneous "[ God's ] Grace through [ my ] faith" =​
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"Regeneration / Renewing By The Holy Spirit!"
Thus, No argument from me! 😇

Amen.
 
Precious friend, perchance that I am the only one with the third alternative 'view' of "No contention"?:

The [ No 'before/after', But The ]:​
Simultaneous "[ God's ] Grace through [ my ] faith" =​
↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑​
"Regeneration / Renewing By The Holy Spirit!"
Thus, No argument from me! 😇

Amen.
There is a logical order according to scripture
 
Apparently not-and very apparent you have not read anything so I don't have to repeat myself.
This is a debate-I show you Scriptures and you show me Scripture and we have a amicable dialogue-you go through my rebuttals while I go to you one, solitary verse-without context.
For the edification of the somati of Jesus Christ.
One must be regenerated before they can believe, otherwise we are dead in sin, believing is an activity of Spiritual life, its the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
 
Precious friend, perchance that I am the only one with the third alternative 'view' of "No contention"?:

The [ No 'before/after', But The ]:​
Simultaneous "[ God's ] Grace through [ my ] faith" =​
↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑ ↓ ↑​
"Regeneration / Renewing By The Holy Spirit!"
Thus, No argument from me! 😇

Amen.
According to the 2nd Aorist and Present yes, it is a one time occurrence-our regeneration-born from above, sealed with the Holy Spirit, Justified, sanctified-the Genitives and then the Imperatives.
God bless.
 
To understand how to regeneration works in our salvation It helps to start with a good understanding of Biblical Extensivism and Calvinism’s Exclusivism. Once you have a handle on that the rest is easy. Here Ronnie W. Rogers clarifies it for us.

The point of their insistence upon logical priority without temporal priority only has biblical meaning if the Calvinist can answer yes to the following questions. First, can a lost sinner exercise saving faith in Christ without having been regenerated—quickened, restored?

Second, can regeneration be present without resulting in faith? If they cannot answer yes to these two questions, the distinction simply obscures the reality of the prerequisite of regeneration in time and space because there exists an inextricable sequential cause and effect relationship.

To state it a little differently, Extensivism believes man’s faith is the prerequisite for regeneration both logically and temporally. This is something with which the Calvinist does not agree. Since the cause and effect cannot happen simultaneously in time, this distinction of logically prior but not temporally prior simply beclouds the dialogue.
Ronnie W. Rogers

I believe that's the problem we're having in this discussion here in this Thread.
 
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One must be regenerated before they can believe, otherwise we are dead in sin, believing is an activity of Spiritual life, its the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22
I see, you have not read the Scriptures-but you want to make your case with Gal 5.22?
This is a futile exercise-
 
To understand how to regeneration works in our salvation It helps to start with a good understanding of Biblical Extensivism and Calvinism’s Exclusivism. Once you have a handle on that the rest is easy. Here Ronnie W. Rogers clarifies it for us.

The point of their insistence upon logical priority without temporal priority only has biblical meaning if the Calvinist can answer yes to the following questions. First, can a lost sinner exercise saving faith in Christ without having been regenerated—quickened, restored?

Second, can regeneration be present without resulting in faith? If they cannot answer yes to these two questions, the distinction simply obscures the reality of the prerequisite of regeneration in time and space because there exists an inextricable sequential cause and effect relationship.

To state it a little differently, Extensivism believes man’s faith is the prerequisite for regeneration both logically and temporally. This is something with which the Calvinist does not agree. Since the cause and effect cannot happen simultaneously in time, this distinction of logically prior but not temporally prior simply beclouds the dialogue.
Ronnie W. Rogers

I believe that's the problem we're having enough discussion here in this Thread.
Nicely done.
 
To understand how to regeneration works in our salvation It helps to start with a good understanding of Biblical Extensivism and Calvinism’s Exclusivism. Once you have a handle on that the rest is easy. Here Ronnie W. Rogers clarifies it for us.

The point of their insistence upon logical priority without temporal priority only has biblical meaning if the Calvinist can answer yes to the following questions. First, can a lost sinner exercise saving faith in Christ without having been regenerated—quickened, restored?

Second, can regeneration be present without resulting in faith? If they cannot answer yes to these two questions, the distinction simply obscures the reality of the prerequisite of regeneration in time and space because there exists an inextricable sequential cause and effect relationship.

To state it a little differently, Extensivism believes man’s faith is the prerequisite for regeneration both logically and temporally. This is something with which the Calvinist does not agree. Since the cause and effect cannot happen simultaneously in time, this distinction of logically prior but not temporally prior simply beclouds the dialogue.
Ronnie W. Rogers

I believe that's the problem we're having in this discussion here in this Thread.
Analysis of Biblical Support for Faith Preceding Regeneration
It is of great importance for evangelicals to derive doctrine from the biblical text. As
such, participants on both sides of this issue must ultimately make their claims based
upon evidence from Scripture. While Dale Moody once stated that one of
Calvinism’s great errors is holding to regeneration preceding faith and repentance,
he did not see fit to supply biblical support for his view.5
If one were to look at the
earlier pioneers of this view, Jacobus Arminius and John Wesley were notably weak
on Scriptural proof for faith preceding regeneration.

6 Such will not do for this party
just as it will not do for the opposing party to make their case without biblical
support.

Fortunately, there are those of the non-Reformed party who supply Scripture for
their rationale in believing faith precedes regeneration. Ronnie Rogers states, “The
Scripture affirms that faith precedes and is the prerequisite for regeneration—being
born again. (John 1:12–13, 3:3, 15–16, 36, 5:24, 6:40, 7:37–39, 12:36, 16:7–14,
20:31, 1 Pet. 1:23, 1 John 5:1, 4).”7 Likewise, Steve Lemke cites many of these
verses but notably adds John 3:36, 5:40, 6:51, 53–54, 57, and 11:25.8
While many of these verses affirm the glorious truths of God’s universal love
for humankind, the necessity to believe in him, and the hope of eternal life, the non-


Reformed party must use texts that specifically address faith as it relates to
regeneration for textual support of their view. The question is not whether believing
in Jesus is necessary for salvation or eternal life, nor is it whether God loves the
world. While important truths, they do not address the subject at hand of the priority
of faith over regeneration. Out of this list, only five really concern the ordering of
belief and regeneration: John 1:12–13, 5:24, 7:37–39, 20:31, and 1 John 5:1.
Beginning with John 1:12–13, it states: “But as many as received Him, to them
He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of
God.”
9 The reasoning goes that those who become children of God and who are born
into the heavenly family were those who “received Him” (i.e., put their faith in Jesus
for salvation). Such, then, suggests that faith was a necessary condition to them
becoming children of God.
In response, one does well to understand the differences in soteriological
aspects. In this passage, John refers to the aspect of adoption when he refers to
“children of God.” This author knows of no Calvinist who would suggest that faith is
unnecessary to become a child of God. Anthony Hoekema, commenting on this
passage, states: “It is, of course, true that those who believed in Christ did receive
the right to become children of God—but behind their faith was the miraculous deed
of God whereby they were spiritually reborn. They were born not of man but of
God.”10

This author personally affirms fully that faith precedes various aspects of
salvation. Yet the matter at hand is not whether faith precedes adoption, justification,
election, and the like but of regeneration. Those who receive Jesus receive the
rightful status as children of God according to this verse. Yet such believing, as
expressed in these verses, was not because of the will of man but of God. Contrary to
the non-Reformed’s claim, these verses actually teach that it was not the will of the
person, but of God’s, that they became his adopted sons and daughters. As John
notes, it was God’s will for one to become adopted into the heavenly family. This
did not come as a result of bloodline, for by our father Adam alone, we could not
become children of God. Rather, those who believe in Christ’s name were born into
the family of God through the will of God, not man. Thomas Nettles makes this
point concerning John 1:12–13. He states: “The emphasis of this passage is not on
the order of events (i.e., receiving first, then the giving of authority, and so on) but
on the inevitable coexistence of ‘receiving’ and sonship as a gift of God. Notice, the
authority to become sons of God was given by God.”11 Commenting on this passage,
Leon Morris likewise notes: “John sets the way men are born into the heavenly
family. The new birth is always sheer miracle. All human initiative is ruled out. Men

9. All Scriptural references, unless otherwise noted, come from the New American Standard
Bible (NASB).
10. Anthony A. Hoekema, Saved by Grace (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1994), 96.
11. Thomas J. Nettles, By His Grace and for His Glory (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1986), 288.
Nettles develops his view by showing how the Holy Spirit creates willingness in the form of
repentance and faith. There must be a making alive in the regenerative sense for such belief to
occur.

Regeneration in Conversion 93
are born ‘of God’. They can be born in no other way.”
12 To be clear, it is not
suggested that faith is unnecessary to become a child of God. It is necessary. The
question is about priority and initiative. Were we born again because of our will to
believe in Jesus or because God gave us the right to become children of God not by
human will but of the will of God?

13 The text suggests the latter.
We may now address John 5:24, where it states: “Truly, truly, I say to you,
whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not
come into judgment, but has passed from death to life” (ESV). The argument is as
follows—those who hear Jesus’ word (about himself as Savior and Lord) and believe
in Him will receive eternal life and pass from death to life (regeneration). Yet such is
not the teaching of this text. The surrounding context concerns the authority given to
the Son from the Father. All judgment has been given to the Son (John 5:22). Jesus
states an hour is coming (and is even at hand) when the dead will hear his voice, and
those who hear will live (v. 25). How can the dead hear? Related to verse 24, how
can those hear Jesus’ word and believe in the one who sent him? How can they pass
from the death they are in into life? Yes, believing is essential to doing such, but
how is it possible given their current spiritual condition?

From the same Author
 

Many Calvinists teach that regeneration precedes faith. They say that a person must be born again before he believes. They argue that new life comes before faith.

John Piper, a Calvinistic pastor, puts it this way:

“We can say, first, that regeneration is the cause of faith… Having been born of God results in our believing. Our believing is the immediate evidence of God’s begetting.” [1]

Gordon Olson, a non-Calvinistic scholar, writes:

“Extreme Calvinists put the new birth before faith, since they believe that spiritually dead humans cannot exercise faith and, therefore, need to be born again before they can believe.” [2]

I would not agree with Olson that this doctrine is necessarily an “extreme” form of Calvinism because most of the mainstream Calvinists today do adhere to it. Instead, I would argue that this point has not always been uniformly understood and adopted in the same way by all Calvinists, [3] which is typical with many of the most controversial points within the Calvinistic scheme.[4]

regenerationfaithsproulThe Calvinistic teaching has wrongly exaggerated the effects of man’s fallen condition resulting in a misinterpretation of man’s responsibility in light of God’s clear revelation. Calvinists say they believe men are “responsible” but they do not mean what most people think when they hear the word “responsible” (able-to-respond freely and thus guilty for that response).

What Calvinists mean is that mankind is justly punished even though they were born “unable-to-respond” willingly to God’s revelation. They do not mean that mankind is morally capable of responding to God’s appeals to be reconciled from their fallen condition (as implied in 2 Cor. 5:20, John 3:16 and elsewhere).

Calvinists insist that man is born dead in sin and therefore “corpse-like” in his abilities to respond to God’s life giving truth. Therefore, according to their logic, God must bring the corpse back to life so that he will certainly believe God’s revealed truth.[5]

Some Calvinists will argue that the order of regeneration and faith is a logical order not a temporal one, meaning that the two happen simultaneously within time. They teach that at the moment a person is born again he will come to faith. The moment he is regenerated he also places his trust in Christ. It all happens in an instant of time. Yet logically as we think about this transaction, we must put a causal order to it. Does the Bible indicate that a person must be regenerated so that he can believe or does the Bible teach that a person must believe in order to be regenerated? Do we need life in order to believe or do we need to believe in order to have life? That logical order is what is in dispute.

What is not in dispute is that regeneration is the sovereign act of God whereby He imparts His very life and His very nature to the believing sinner (John 1:12-13; Titus 3:5). Man’s first birth is natural; his second birth is spiritual and supernatural. His first birth makes him a member of a fallen race; his second birth makes him a member of a redeemed race. His first birth gives him a depraved nature (Eph. 2:3); his second birth makes him partaker of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4). The moment a person is born again he receives a new life (John 6:47; 1 John 5:12) and a new position as a child of God (John 1:12; 1 John 3:1-2). In short, he is a new creature in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17).[6] We can all affirm these truths.

But what does the Scripture actually say about the logical order of new life and man’s responsibility in attaining it? Which comes first, new life or faith? Let’s observe:

Ezekiel 18:30-32

“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repent, Turn away…Rid yourselves…”
“…get a new heart and a new spirit.”
Verse 32 makes it even more simple:

“Repent and…”
“…live!”
Life comes from repentance, not the other way around.

Acts 11:18

When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repentance unto…”
“…life”
The Gentiles were not granted life unto repentance, but just the opposite according to the text. And the gospel is the means God grants mankind the ability to believe. He sent the gospel first to the Jews and then the Gentiles which enabled their faith response (Rom. 1:16, 10:14-17).

John 5:40

“yet you refuse to COME TO ME TO HAVE LIFE.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Come to me…” (through faith)
“…to have life.”

John 6:53

“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Unless you eat…drink” (by faith)
“…you have not life in you.”

John 6:57

“so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“the one who feeds on me…” (by faith)
“…will live”

John 20:31

“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“these are written…” (scriptures)
“…that you may believe…”
“…by believing you may have life…”
Life clearly is a fruit of faith and repentance, not the other way around.

Acts 15:9

“He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“He purified their hearts…”
“…by faith.”
It does not say He purified their hearts by regeneration so as to make them have faith. Clearly a purified heart is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.

John 1:12-13

“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

The right to be born of God is given only to those who believe.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…all who did receive him…who believed…”
“…he gave the right to BECOME children of God…”
You are not even given to right to become a child of God, much less be born again as his child, UNTIL you “receive him” and “believe in his name.” And while placing our trust in Christ is man’s responsibility, the work of regeneration is all of God’s doing. It does not come by way of inheritance, marriage, works or striving (Rom. 9:30-32).

Galatians 3:26

“You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“You are all sons of God…”
“…through faith in Christ…”
Obviously, becoming a son (born of God) is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.

John 12:36

“Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Believe in the light…”
“…so that you may become children…”

Ephesians 1:13

“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“when you heard the message of truth…when you believed
“you were included in Christ…you were marked in him…”

Galatians 3:2, 5

“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?… So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…received the Spirit…”
“…by believing what you heard…”

2 Corinthians 3:14-16

“But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…anyone turns to the Lord…” (by faith)
“…the veil is taken away.”

1 Timothy 1:16

“But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…those who would believe in him…”
“…may receive eternal life.”

Colossians 2:12

“…having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…baptism, in which you were also raised…”
“…through your faith…”

James 1:18

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…give us brith…”
“…through the word of truth…”

Calvinists teach the word of truth will certainly be rejected by the unregenerate, thus how can the apostle say that the word may be the means of new birth? Birth must precede the word if Calvinism is true, and that is not what the text clearly indicates.

The Philippian jailer inquired, “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30). If Paul was Calvinistic he should have replied, “You can do nothing to be saved. You were born corpse-like dead in your sin and a dead man can do nothing. If God makes you alive then you will be convinced to believe our gospel.” But Paul does not hesitate to simply say, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Believe so as to have new life. Repent so as to live! That is the gospel appeal sent for all to hear it and respond.
1 John 5:1

First John 5:1 states: “Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God . . .”29 “Whoever believes” is a present tense participle. “Born” is a perfect tense verb. Some Calvinists suggest the perfect tense indicates completed past action with continuing results and draw the conclusion that faith is the result of being born again. The argument is that the verb “born” is in the perfect tense denoting an action that precedes the faith in the participle “whoever believes.”

This is an unwarranted and erroneous interpretation. Consider two examples. John 3:18 states: “He who believes is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already. . .” “He who believes” is a present participle. “Not condemned” is a perfect tense verb. Yet, here it is clear that the “believing” precedes “not being condemned.” Consider 1 John 5:10, “he who does not believe God has made Him a liar. . .” “He who does not believe” translates a present participle. “Has made” translates a perfect tense verb. Here again, the perfect tense verb, “making God a liar,” is a result of the present participle, “not believing,” not its cause.

Many Calvinists argue that the use of “born” in the perfect tense produces a range of results expressed by present participles, and faith is one of them. However, exegesis always trumps systematic theology. Likewise, context and sentence structure trumps theology. Let’s compare John 3:18 with 1 John 5:1 to see if the use of “born” in the perfect tense produces the result of faith. Notice the order of events in John 3:18 is A then B. In 1 John 5:1 the order is B then A. Both make use of the perfect tense. The same grammatical structure that places being born of God before faith can also be used to describe justification as occurring after faith. See Rom 5:1. The grammar of the verses does not address an ordo salutis. The use of the perfect tense in Greek provides no support for the notion of regeneration preceding faith.30 To suggest otherwise is to fail to distinguish between tense and aspect in Greek verbs and verbals.

Furthermore, with respect to 1 John 5:1, contextually the simple initial act of believing is not under consideration by John. John is talking about the ongoing life of faith as a believer. Obviously, the new birth precedes the ongoing life of faith. But that is something altogether different from saying the new birth precedes the initial act of faith. John’s use of “born” nowhere precludes the possibility of faith preceding regeneration. One may argue for regeneration preceding faith, but one cannot argue against faith preceding regeneration. The most that can be said from the Greek present participle and perfect tense verb combination is that the actions are contemporaneous.

The broader context of John’s writings indicate he would not teach that regeneration precedes faith and elsewhere teach that faith is a condition for life as he does in John 20:31. This precludes the possibility of regeneration preceding faith.

Three conclusions, then, are in order:

1. There is no Biblical text that connects faith and regeneration in a grammatical structure that prescribes an order that supports regeneration preceding faith. Nor is there any statement in Scripture which precludes faith preceding regeneration.

2. There are biblical texts connecting faith and regeneration that support faith preceding regeneration.

3. There are texts that would seem to preclude the possibility of regeneration preceding faith. There is no Scripture anywhere that directly says regeneration precedes faith. That is a theological deduction made by some Calvinists that is driven more by their system than it is by Scripture. The Scripture says things like, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved,” as Paul said to the Philippian jailor in Acts 16.

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See the contradiction?
 
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See the contradiction?

You think that because we are told to do something, we must have the ability to comply. No. These commands are what we ought to do. It is a non-sequitur to say that if we are told what we ought to do, we must have the ability to do it. Quite the contrary. The commands on what we ought to do are to make us aware of our inclination NOT to do it, to make us aware of our sinful condition. If God opens your eyes, ears, and heart to see the truth, you will be are able and willing to repent.
 
@Johann

Calvinist Matt Slick gives an illustration intended to demonstrate regeneration is logically prior but not temporally prior to faith. He illustrates it this way, “In a light bulb, electricity must be in place in order for light to occur. . . . Therefore, the electricity is logically first, but not temporally first because when the electricity is present, light is the necessary and simultaneous result. . . .When regeneration is in place, faith is the necessary and simultaneous result. . . . As with the light bulb and electricity, one is logically prior to the other even though they are simultaneous.”

Hold on a minute Mr. slick

I believe the illustration requires one clarification and one correction. The clarification, unlike regeneration and faith which are always found together (the cause, effect sequence is absolute), electricity and a lit bulb are not; not even electricity and light. One could have electricity without the bulb lighting or anything else giving off light; this is because while electricity does cause the bulb to light when properly channeled, there is not an absolute cause and effect relationship between the two; there is only an absolute relationship requiring the necessary priority of electricity. Therefore, the presence of electricity could exist forever without producing light, which is not true of regeneration and faith as designed by God according to Calvinism. This means the relationship between electricity and light is technically disanalogous to regeneration and faith.

Can you see the forest through the trees?
 
You think that because we are told to do something, we must have the ability to comply. No. These commands are what we ought to do. It is a non-sequitur to say that if we are told what we ought to do, we must have the ability to do it. Quite the contrary. The commands on what we ought to do are to make us aware of our inclination NOT to do it, to make us aware of our sinful condition. If God opens your eyes, ears, and heart to see the truth, you will be are able and willing to repent.
So you disagree with the article?
I have plenty of the go to verses of Calvin-none of it makes sense in the exegesis/eisegesis of Calvin. HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT WITH WHAT STANDS PLAINLY WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE?

Your response to me is without a single verse-and we need to consult the grammatical construction of the Greek bible.

Man! I pray for a Accordance bible software--

1. There is no Biblical text that connects faith and regeneration in a grammatical structure that prescribes an order that supports regeneration preceding faith. Nor is there any statement in Scripture which precludes faith preceding regeneration.

2. There are biblical texts connecting faith and regeneration that support faith preceding regeneration.

3. There are texts that would seem to preclude the possibility of regeneration preceding faith. There is no Scripture anywhere that directly says regeneration precedes faith. That is a theological deduction made by some Calvinists that is driven more by their system than it is by Scripture. The Scripture says things like, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved,” as Paul said to the Philippian jailor in Acts 16.

In case you don't know-to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is an Imperative with the necc excousia/dunamis-by the hearing of the Scriptures-contrary to what you are telling me-without any references.
 
@Johann

Calvinist Matt Slick gives an illustration intended to demonstrate regeneration is logically prior but not temporally prior to faith. He illustrates it this way, “In a light bulb, electricity must be in place in order for light to occur. . . . Therefore, the electricity is logically first, but not temporally first because when the electricity is present, light is the necessary and simultaneous result. . . .When regeneration is in place, faith is the necessary and simultaneous result. . . . As with the light bulb and electricity, one is logically prior to the other even though they are simultaneous.”

Hold on a minute Mr. slick

I believe the illustration requires one clarification and one correction. The clarification, unlike regeneration and faith which are always found together (the cause, effect sequence is absolute), electricity and a lit bulb are not; not even electricity and light. One could have electricity without the bulb lighting or anything else giving off light; this is because while electricity does cause the bulb to light when properly channeled, there is not an absolute cause and effect relationship between the two; there is only an absolute relationship requiring the necessary priority of electricity. Therefore, the presence of electricity could exist forever without producing light, which is not true of regeneration and faith as designed by God according to Calvinism. This means the relationship between electricity and light is technically disanalogous to regeneration and faith.

Can you see the forest through the trees?
My eyes are wide open-always listening for that "discordant sound"-I have been in that ditch-won't happen again.
 
You think that because we are told to do something, we must have the ability to comply. No. These commands are what we ought to do. It is a non-sequitur to say that if we are told what we ought to do, we must have the ability to do it. Quite the contrary. The commands on what we ought to do are to make us aware of our inclination NOT to do it, to make us aware of our sinful condition. If God opens your eyes, ears, and heart to see the truth, you will be are able and willing to repent.
Contradictory statement.
 
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