brightfame52
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Oh no, thats above my pay grade, only God gives the eyes of understanding
Refuting effectually caused faith
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Sorry, all you were asked for is to post the url where you rebutted what was stated
brightfame52
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Everything I have witnessed of I showed scripture support for, but that doesnt mean it proves anything to you, thats not my job nor in my ability
No, actually you did not
Rather, you assumed a meaning which was in fact contrary to the context.
brightfame52
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You cant see it, and its not my ability to make men see, thats God !
The Rogue Tomato
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I'm not. I'm referring to scripture. And I'm doing my best not to filter it through any assumptions about why God would do this or that.
I don't filter scripture through "God is love". If I filter it at all, I filter it through "God is sovereign and can and will do whatever He pleases, even if we don't understand His motives."
civic
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Sure I know by reading what Jesus said and did in the gospels and what the Apostles taught about Gods love.
It’s the one thing I can know with full assurance.
Rockson
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Oh give me a break. You're on here seeking to tell people what are God's ways and thoughts just the same as everyone else.
Rockson
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Calvinism though thinks it has the right in taking liberties in disconnecting what Jesus revealed and taught.
Think of it like light fixtures on a ceiling. God has installed things a certain way creating a certain look.....they come in and don't like the look and act to take them down and put up their own.
Example : Jesus wept over Jerusalem Lk 19:41 saying how much it was his will that they would have allowed him to gather them. They don't say it in words but they must as well be saying it by their words that,
"No Jesus tears weren't really sincere! He wasn't REALLY grieved and saddened by their failure to come to him not REALLY for after all he ordained that they wouldn't from the beginning! So don't take Jesus TOO SERIOUESLY folks in how he was acting and talking! We have the deeper truths to know it wasn't correct!"
Now granted they won't say that with words and will deny it but when one takes the wraps off of what they really are teaching that's the place one lands.
So every time one takes down one of God's light fixtures which produces great light.....what are they putting up in their place? Perhaps black lights are the only way to describe them.
civic
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Exactly well said Rockson. I’m reminded of Jesus word in Matthew 15- ’These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
We can know Gods heart , will and love as revealed in scripture. God desire is for us to know Him intimately. To be imitators of Christ. To reflect Gos love to others. The greatest 2 commandments reveal these obvious truths regarding Gods love is knowable , able to be experienced and explainable.
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Is that not an admission you filter the bible based on a belief in determinism?
civic
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Yep
The Rogue Tomato
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If the sovereignty of God is determinism, then is your question an admission that you stopped beating your wife?
Total non sequitur
Rockson
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Thanks
Yeah I think this can apply to some or many too. I think we share as well the thought that when it comes to Calvinists we long to hope and believe that many have them do have a heart towards God but as Rom 10:2 states it may not be according to knowledge. I think of it like what Mat 6: 23 states, If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! In other words there is no darkness so great as that of one thinking they're absolutely right when all the time they're wrong. It's hard for me to imagine a darkness being any greater than not understanding and true genuine nature of God's character disposition and LOVE. To view him as not being one who is fair to all could make one to wonder if life is even worth living. He is though and coming out of Calvinism has to bring one into joy and peace.
Begotten
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Here is a man who knows what he is talking about. He knows what the true gospel is.
The news about God is good because God’s character is good. If He was not a good God, then there would be no such thing as good news because there would be no motive for Him to provide salvation. The news brought to us through the Scripture is that our God is a loving Creator and Ruler who would rather show mercy than justice toward undeserving sinners. God has provided the means of salvation for all people, at all times, and in all places, not because He has to, but because He is good, and that truth is the very heart of what we call the gospel.
God didn't just leave us to be slaves to what sin and death bring – judgment and wrath. Every single morally accountable person has, at some point, the opportunity to be reconciled to God.
Romans 10:12-13: For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”
The only thing to see was your error
civic
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Well said !
The Rogue Tomato
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My point exactly.
