You do understand that in context those drawn were Jews who were the Father's
John 6 the context
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And you are avoiding tge obvious. No one CAN (ability) come to the Father unless they are drawn.
So no one actually is some?
civic
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Wrong those who listen and learn from the Father first are the ones who are drawn to the Son. Your twisting of scripture is evident to all.
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Quote it. Quote saying they are drawn because they listened and learn.
civic
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I quoted it several times in John 6 and bold underlined it in the OP
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Sola Christus
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43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me
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43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me
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43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me
"Everyone who has heard the father". Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God/Christ.
If he meant "Faith comes by hearing the word of God/Christ", then that's what he would have said.
Sorry, that does not say they are drawn BECAUSE they had heard and learned. Keep lookingSola Christus
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43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me
civic
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Nice try we are talking about who comes to Christ in John 6. Jesus tells us who : those who have listened and learned from the Father are the ones He draws to the Son.
I’ll be back in a couple hours about to start our Mens discipleship group at my house with our elders and pastor.
I think I’ll let them read this dialogue lol.
Hope this helps !!!
civic
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It sure does in John 6:44-45. Take those blinders off and read it like it’s the first time ever and you are not a Calvinist
Then you will see the truth and the truth will set you free
No, that's not what it says at all. It does not say tge reason they are drawn BECAUSE they had learned and heard from the Father. Hearing and learning are the means by which they are drawn. Keep looking
No it don't.It sure does in John 6:44-45. Take those blinders off and read it like it’s the first time ever and you are not a Calvinist
Then you will see the truth and the truth will set you free
try theseDid you ignore the exception clause and how it is effected
John 6:44–45 (ESV) — 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—
And they are drawn by the word of God however it may be presented
John 6:45 (ESV) — 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—
John 5:46–47 (ESV) — 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
John 1:6–7 (ESV) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him.
John 5:37–41 (ESV) — 37 And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, 38 and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 41 I do not receive glory from people.
Those drawn come.
Those who hear and learn come.
They are drawn by the hearing and learning.
Yup. Very good. Unless drawn you CANNOT come.
Still no one CAN come unless drawn. Man dows not have the inherent ability on His own to come.
There is no exception clause.
