GodsGrace
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Where's the scripture?
I can CHOOSE to follow Christ.
An infant doesn't know about following Christ or the gospel.
If you don't have scripture, it's just your opinion.
You might believe in sola scripture.
Use it.
Children are innocent, not guilty of any sin
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I can CHOOSE to follow Christ.
An infant doesn't know about following Christ or the gospel.
If you don't have scripture, it's just your opinion.
You might believe in sola scripture.
Use it.
No one said they did. Did they?
Dizerner
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I would urge you to consider my full defense of PSA below.
It is a very serious matter—we are playing around with ideas about the thing that actually reconciles and saves us.
You cannot have victory without judging sin: it cannot be done.
God is going to be "victorious" whether he reconciles humanity or not, he does not need to die to "beat" Satan.
MTMattie
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Would these count?
Numbers 14:18
‘The Lord is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations.’
Job 21:19
“You say, ‘God stores away a man’s iniquity for his sons.’
Let God repay him so that he may know it.
Isaiah 14:21
“Prepare for his sons a place of slaughter
Because of the iniquity of their fathers.
They must not arise and take possession of the earth
And fill the face of the world with cities.”
Isaiah 65:7
Both their own iniquities and the iniquities of their fathers together,” says the Lord.
“Because they have burned incense on the mountains
And scorned Me on the hills,
Therefore I will measure their former work into their bosom.”
Jeremiah 32:18
who shows lovingkindness to thousands, but repays the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God. The Lord of hosts is His name;
Lamentations 5:7
Our fathers sinned, and are no more;
It is we who have borne their iniquities.
Isaiah 14:20
“You will not be united with them in burial,
Because you have ruined your country,
You have slain your people.
May the offspring of evildoers not be mentioned forever.
Luke 6:26
Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way.
GodsGrace
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No one said they did what?
Are we here to have a serious discussion?
If not, you could stop posting because these one sentence
statements without meaning and without scripture are of no value.
GodsGrace
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IF they counted, we'd have a nice conflict on our hands...
so there will surely be an explanation...let's check:
It means that God is loving BUT He will NOT clear the guilty.
The guilty are the fathers,,,those that sinned.
The iniquity....the immoral life of the fathers....(check what iniquity means) will be visited even on the children....
the children will be AFFECTED by the fathers' sins.
A woman take cocaine and is pregnant.
Her child will be visited with her iniquities...
he will be born with problems.
but the mother is responsible,,,not the child.
Same as above.
Isaiah 14:21
21 Prepare a place to slaughter his children for the sins of their ancestors; they are not to rise to inherit the land and cover the earth with their cities.
The sins of their fathers was the taking hostage of the Israelites and all the disaster it caused.
I don't believe this should be on your list of verses. It seems to me to be totally of a different nature.
Not relevant MT.
Isaiah is mentioning both iniquities...of their own and their fathers.
Each is responsible for his own.
It's the same as Numbers 14:18
The children are paying for the sins of their fathers...
same as Numbers 14:18
Not relevant.
The children suffer the consequences of the fathers' sins....
but God does not hold them personally responsible for them.
You are debating against something that no one claims. Your debating yourself. You sound scripted.
I will post how I like and your free to do the same. If you don't like how I post quit responding to me. Problem solved. That was tough
@GodsGrace
Greetings Fran,
We were more than stained with Adam's sin, it was imputed to us by God making Adam the head of his posterity. We as children of Adam, we all inherited his sinful nature, and none can escape this truth.
Romans 5:12
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” (In Adam)1st Corinthians 15:21,22
“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”By imputation!
Fran, neither you or any person living was there when Christ lived upon this earth, not as a private person but as the representative of God's elect, and what he did, was as thought they themselves had performed the righteous perfect deed! So, in this same manner in which men are sinners before God's law, so is the righteousness of God freely imputed unto them by the grace of God through their surety before God's law.
This is a very short version of the truth without spending a lot of time.
civic
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we don't break anything until we commit the act of sin- no guilt of sin until committing a sin.
You do when there is a covenant representative. If a President breaks a treaty, we are all guilty of breaking that treaty. The President represents us.
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