Only the Apostles were Predestined

[atpollard]

Note in heaven the 12 foundations with the names of the 12 Apostles.

So JUDAS, son of perdition, has his name written on the foundation in heaven while Mattias and Paul are not "real Apostles"?
Revelation is such an abused book.

 

[atpollard]

In John 6 and 10 there are popular verses Calvinists like to use that we cannot be snatched out of the Father's hand. Again those are the Apostles with a capital "A". They are who the Father gave to the Son.

*cough* "Judas, son of perdition, a devil" *cough*

 

[Red Baker]

@charismaticlady

Ephesians 1-12 shows that those who first believed were predestined. They are the apostles.

Then in John 17 we see that in Jesus' prayer for the Apostles, those the Father gives to the Son were the apostles.

In John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."

Another misused verse is in John 10. Here again it is the Father giving to the Son, thus referring to the Apostles.
John 20:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

We are those who believed their words, but not predestined as the Apostles were.

You might want to consider another calling, teaching scriptures is not your calling.

 

[charismaticlady]

How is it that you include Paul in John ch17? for you said it was only for the first group/apostles

After you explain this i will, together with you, explore further in the Scriptures for our benefit and all Glory to the Lord Jesus Christ.

I didn't say "the first group." I said the Apostles. Jesus gave that official title to Saul/Paul. And no one could snatch Paul out of the Father's hand. He died a martyr. There were others that took that title like Mathias and Barnabas, but there are still only 12 layers of foundation in heaven. I, personally, love Barnabas and doubt he ever denied Christ, and he was said to be an apostle, but his name is not on the foundation of the city in heaven.

Don't forget John 6.

66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

 

[charismaticlady]

*cough* "Judas, son of perdition, a devil" *cough*

Don't forget the word "except"

 

[charismaticlady]

@charismaticlady

You might want to consider another calling, teaching scriptures is not your calling.

Perhaps you're not a worthy student.

 

[DavidTree]

I didn't say "the first group." I said the Apostles. Jesus gave that official title to Saul/Paul. And no one could snatch Paul out of the Father's hand. He died a martyr. There were others that took that title like Mathias and Barnabas, but there are still only 12 layers of foundation in heaven. I, personally, love Barnabas and doubt he ever denied Christ, and he was said to be an apostle, but his name is not on the foundation of the city in heaven.

Don't forget John 6.

66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

120 Disciples of Christ received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit on the SAME Day with no distinction = Acts ch2

YES there are only 12 Apostles = just as you correctly pointed to in Revelation

What are you missing at this point???

Stop, Pray, then Seek in the Holy Scriptures

 

[JLB]

Ephesians 1-12 shows that those who first believed were predestined. They are the apostles.

Then in John 17 we see that in Jesus' prayer for the Apostles, those the Father gives to the Son were the apostles.

In John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."

Another misused verse is in John 10. Here again it is the Father giving to the Son, thus referring to the Apostles.
John 20:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

We are those who believed their words, but not predestined as the Apostles were.

Predestination is about purpose not ‘predestined to be saved”.