Isaiah and the trinity

[7xLightray]

101G just showed you the truth, and you refused to consider it. yes, King and the father are " Two titles, and yes not two persons. the same with Father and Son, two titles, same one. the Answer to God's titles in in himself .... being the ECHAD of himself.

101G.

In Jn 17:3 the word "and" does not prove the father and son are the same person.
I know Jimmy and Joe! Does this mean Jimmy and Joe are the same person? No!

Second, I was not referring to the word "and." I am referring to the concept of one "person" sending and not sending.
So, for example explain to me how you sent yourself (meaning: you went of your own self, no one else sent you) to the store on Wed. dec. 4, 2015, at 3:19:37 pm, and yet did not send your self (meaning: someone did send you) on Wed. dec. 4, 2015 at 3:19:37 pm.
So, can you explain it?

 

[101G]

In Jn 17:3 the word "and" does not prove the father and son are the same person.
I know Jimmy and Joe! Does this mean Jimmy and Joe are the same person? No!

ERROR, remember God is not a "father", he is the "Father", see the difference. as well as the "Son", and not a "son". God is ETERNAL, a "father" is not, as well as a "son". but God who is the "Father" is eternal as well as he the "Son". he, GOD is the same one person in the ECHAD of HIMSELF, as Father and Son in the ECHAD of a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, see below in the next response.

Second, I was not referring to the word "and." I am referring to the concept of one "person" sending and not sending.
So, for example explain to me how you sent yourself (meaning: you went of your own self, no one else sent you) to the store on Wed. dec. 4, 2015, at 3:19:37 pm, and yet did not send your self (meaning: someone did send you) on Wed. dec. 4, 2015 at 3:19:37 pm.
So, can you explain it?

One more time, a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, the ECHAD. ONE WORD the Greek Word G243 ALLOS. did not 101G tell you to LOOK UP THE WORD " consolation" in Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." now, definition Time. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words,
consolation, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

One who gives COMFORT is a ..... "COMFORTER" ... right... right. and One who gives HELP is a ..... "HELPER" .... right... right. now THINK... have you ever hear of these terms before... "COMFORTER", "HELPER?"... sure, listen and learn. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" see that term "another" it is the Greek term G243 ALLOS
and "ALLOS" means, Allos expresses a numerical difference (hello), and denotes another of the same sort; do you understand what a "a numerical difference" is? example, First, and, and, and, Last, or Beginning, and, and, and, End, or Root and, and, and, Offspring, or Aleph and, and, and, and, Tav. (see your and now), are you getting this. because G243 Allos states also, "of the same sort" the same sort? yes, for the term "Sort" according to dictionary.com means, 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature. 2. character, quality, or nature. .... BINGO, the same "NATURE?", scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" EQUAL "WITH?" yes ...... the same one person. as Isaiah said, the First "WITH" the Last is "ALSO" the Fist and, and, and, the Last.... THE SAME ONE PERSON. Oh this is too easy. now common character, scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" the express image of his person is his character. and express means "exact" BINGO, the same one Person.

7xLightray, you might want to copy this post. 101G by scriptures and revealed also by definition how God is sent and came, because he is the G243 Allos/a numerical difference of himself in the ECHAD. scripture don't lie, and 101G supported this by word definition.

now let's see this in real time in the scriptures. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another (G243) Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" this is the same COMFORTER that came in flesh in Luke 2:25, now returning in Spirit, listen, John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." STOP, is not the Father sending him? now real time scriptural support of sending vs coming. supportive scripture, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." but did not the Lord Jesus said, "I.... I ... will come to you?", (see again John 14:18), yes, so was he not sent by the Father? or did he come own his own? ..... (smile). Oh My God this is too easy. remember God cannot lie, nor the scriptures that is written.

101G has again showed you in scripture, definitions, and showed it to you in real time in scripture. but keep this one verse in mind. Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." many, and 101G means many would rather believe men who guide them in the ditch instead of believing God, and letting him to GUIDE all of US unto eternal LIFE.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

ERROR, remember God is not a "father", he is the "Father", see the difference. as well as the "Son", and not a "son". God is ETERNAL, a "father" is not, as well as a "son". but God who is the "Father" is eternal as well as he the "Son". he, GOD is the same one person in the ECHAD of HIMSELF, as Father and Son in the ECHAD of a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, see below in the next response.

What are you digressing to?
"ERROR, remember God is not a "father", he is the "Father", see the difference. as well as the "Son", and not a "son""?
No I do not remember that, but I know false Christianity teaches this version of John 20:31 (which does not actually read like this), "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
No, instead John 20:31 reads this way, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Was God always the Father even before anyone, or anything, was created? What is the meaning of Father, then?
This capital "F" you know was made up, or added, by the forefathers long, long, after the disciples of Christ passed on, right?

One more time, a NUMERICAL DIFFERENCE, the ECHAD. ONE WORD the Greek Word G243 ALLOS. did not 101G tell you to LOOK UP THE WORD " consolation" in Luke 2:25 "And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." now, definition Time. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words,
consolation, G3874 παράκλησις paraklesis (pa-ra'-klee-sis) n.
1. an imploration, entreaty (urgent request (for mercy or help)).
2. an exhortation (urgent counsel, encouragement, or caution).
3. a comfort, solace.
[from G3870]
KJV: comfort, consolation, exhortation, intreaty
Root(s): G3870

One who gives COMFORT is a ..... "COMFORTER" ... right... right. and One who gives HELP is a ..... "HELPER" .... right... right. now THINK... have you ever hear of these terms before... "COMFORTER", "HELPER?"... sure, listen and learn. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" see that term "another" it is the Greek term G243 ALLOS
and "ALLOS" means, Allos expresses a numerical difference (hello), and denotes another of the same sort; do you understand what a "a numerical difference" is? example, First, and, and, and, Last, or Beginning, and, and, and, End, or Root and, and, and, Offspring, or Aleph and, and, and, and, Tav. (see your and now), are you getting this. because G243 Allos states also, "of the same sort" the same sort? yes, for the term "Sort" according to dictionary.com means, 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature. 2. character, quality, or nature. .... BINGO, the same "NATURE?", scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" EQUAL "WITH?" yes ...... the same one person. as Isaiah said, the First "WITH" the Last is "ALSO" the Fist and, and, and, the Last.... THE SAME ONE PERSON. Oh this is too easy. now common character, scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" the express image of his person is his character. and express means "exact" BINGO, the same one Person.

7xLightray, you might want to copy this post. 101G by scriptures and revealed also by definition how God is sent and came, because he is the G243 Allos/a numerical difference of himself in the ECHAD. scripture don't lie, and 101G supported this by word definition.

now let's see this in real time in the scriptures. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another (G243) Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" this is the same COMFORTER that came in flesh in Luke 2:25, now returning in Spirit, listen, John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." STOP, is not the Father sending him? now real time scriptural support of sending vs coming. supportive scripture, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." but did not the Lord Jesus said, "I.... I ... will come to you?", (see again John 14:18), yes, so was he not sent by the Father? or did he come own his own? ..... (smile). Oh My God this is too easy. remember God cannot lie, nor the scriptures that is written.

101G has again showed you in scripture, definitions, and showed it to you in real time in scripture. but keep this one verse in mind. Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." many, and 101G means many would rather believe men who guide them in the ditch instead of believing God, and letting him to GUIDE all of US unto eternal LIFE.

101G.

But this example is not of Jesus saying, He is coming not of His own accord. And these words "I will come to you" do not mean of His own accord, or not of His own accord, but rather going by the context, the Father and Son working together as persons. The Father person is sending the spirit, and also Jesus' person sending the spirit, and both are coming, but by/through the spirit. Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God on His throne, and will be returning, soon!

Jesus did not say (of this sending of the spirit) that He was not coming of His own accord, but here, when the first time He came, in Jn 17:3; 7:27-29; 8:42 Jesus did say, He did not come of His own accord. That would be the difference.

"another (G243) Comforter"
Sure okay, different in kind. Jesus is in bodily form, and the spirit is not in bodily form.

"this is the same COMFORTER that came in flesh in Luke 2:25,"
In Lk 2:25?

 

[101G]

No I do not remember that, but I know false Christianity teaches this version of John 20:31 (which does not actually read like this), "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
No, instead John 20:31 reads this way, "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
Was God always the Father even before anyone, or anything, was created? What is the meaning of Father, then?
This capital "F" you know was made up, or added, by the forefathers long, long, after the disciples of Christ passed on, right?

first, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." now this, Luke 3:8 "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

G3962 πατήρ pater (pa-teer') n. the meaning of "Father".
generator or male ancestor either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents. a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David. fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation one advanced in years, a senior

God is called the Father of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler.
of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector
of spiritual beings and of all men.

101G

 

[7xLightray]

first, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." now this, Luke 3:8 "Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

G3962 πατήρ pater (pa-teer') n. the meaning of "Father".
generator or male ancestor either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents. a more remote ancestor, the founder of a family or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David. fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a nation one advanced in years, a senior

God is called the Father of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler.
of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector
of spiritual beings and of all men.

101G

Ya okay, so if that is the reason He is the "Father," then He was not the "Father" before He was "creator, upholder, ruler" (actually this is more like the definition of "God" in Gen 1 and 1:26).

This was my question, "Was God always the Father even before anyone, or anything, was created? What is the meaning of Father, then?"
So according to your statement God was not the "Father" with a capital "F" before creation.

Here is the father and son..
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his father, making himself equal with God.
Joh 16:27 For the father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
There is no capital "F" in k.Greek.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Making God a father, of His son!

 

[101G]

Ya okay, so if that is the reason He is the "Father," then He was not the "Father" before He was "creator, upholder, ruler" (actually this is more like the definition of "God" in Gen 1 and 1:26).

Ya OK? see, you cannot understand, Last time, Genesis 4:19 "And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah." Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." this term "father" here simply means he was the first author and inventor of tents or movable habitations.

well God is the "FIRST", supportive scripture, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." see that term "beginning" it means, H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

see that first definition, "THE FIRST" in..... First and what do "father" means, THE FIRST, or the AUTHOR.

see 7 this is why you cannot understand. the LORD Jesus is the "First" of all creation, for he is the AUTHOR of it. and he is the LAST of this creation that he has made.

sorry 7 you need to get a BASISC understanding in what 101G is saying and talking about...... good day.

101G

ps please read this post again in trying to understand God the LORD Jesus as CREATOR.

 

[7xLightray]

Ya OK? see, you cannot understand, Last time, Genesis 4:19 "And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah." Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." this term "father" here simply means he was the first author and inventor of tents or movable habitations.

well God is the "FIRST", supportive scripture, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." see that term "beginning" it means, H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

see that first definition, "THE FIRST" in..... First and what do "father" means, THE FIRST, or the AUTHOR.

see 7 this is why you cannot understand. the LORD Jesus is the "First" of all creation, for he is the AUTHOR of it. and he is the LAST of this creation that he has made.

sorry 7 you need to get a BASISC understanding in what 101G is saying and talking about...... good day.

101G

ps please read this post again in trying to understand God the LORD Jesus as CREATOR.

I understood what you are saying here, and I'm not denying this use of the word "father," but you are not hearing, or understanding this.. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
No, no, no, notice the words "only"; "only begotten"; "only..son"; "only begotten son" We humans are adopted into the family. There are no other sons like the literal son of God!

 

[101G]

No, no, no, notice the words "only"; "only begotten"; "only..son"; "only begotten son" We humans are adopted into the family. There are no other sons like the literal son of God!

Are we not in him? ..... oh how simple.

101G

 

[7xLightray]

Are we not in him? ..... oh how simple.

101G

Yes, adopted!
Jesus is his only begotten son.
Is the difference.
And it makes God a father of his only literal son.

 

[101G]

Yes, adopted!
Jesus is his only begotten son.
Is the difference.
And it makes God a father of his only literal son.

is that son according to the flesh or Spirit? and as for adopted or adoption, we all were elected before the WORLD. before any begotten.... (smile).
now, do you agree or not? .... (smile).
101G

 

[7xLightray]

is that son according to the flesh or Spirit? and as for adopted or adoption, we all were elected before the WORLD. before any begotten.... (smile).
now, do you agree or not? .... (smile).
101G

Both, Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost [spirit] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee [became flesh] shall be called the Son of God.

How does us being elected before the world, have any rebuttal to Jesus being a literal son of God? That still does not make us literal sons, where Jesus is a literal son, and therefore "father" and "son!"

 

[101G]

Both, Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost [spirit] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee [became flesh] shall be called the Son of God.

BOTH? ok, well then, according to your Luke 1:35 the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the Father then correct,,, because Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

"for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." so, the Holy Ghost/Spirit have sperm now? yes or no. for is not the conceiver the father? so please post the scripture where the Holy Spirit is a man or have sperm that conceived the child in Mary's womb.

How does us being elected before the world, have any rebuttal to Jesus being a literal son of God? That still does not make us literal sons, where Jesus is a literal son, and therefore "father" and "son!"

have you not read? listen, John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" now do you understand this statement? learn the term, "received him"........... (smile).

101G

 

[7xLightray]

BOTH? ok, well then, according to your Luke 1:35 the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the Father then correct,,, because Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

"for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." so, the Holy Ghost/Spirit have sperm now? yes or no. for is not the conceiver the father? so please post the scripture where the Holy Spirit is a man or have sperm that conceived the child in Mary's womb.

have you not read? listen, John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" now do you understand this statement? learn the term, "received him"........... (smile).

101G

Yes, the holy spirit is the spirit of God, God's spirit, His breath, His power, His word, His right arm, His right hand, His strength, His righteousness, and anything else I may not have mentioned.

Whoa, you seriously misread my posts and/or misunderstood my doctrine.
You built a strawman here.
First, why would God even need to have s3x with Mary, when Christ flesh did not come from Mary, but from God?
And that should clear up the rest of what you said, but if not let me know.

And your rebuttal itself makes no sense, and even contradicts itself (on one hand you say, that I said the Father is the spirit, then you argue as if I said the Father is not the spirit, you switch it around), but I'll say this, the Father is spirit and holy, the holy spirit is the Father's spirit, and there is only one spirit. God the Father is spirit, when God speaks spirit comes out of His mouth, because God is eternal spirit, and not in bodily form.

Why did you not just continue with the way you stated it the first time "the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the Father then correct" and continue on reading it like this, "Matthew 1:20 ..for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost [is of the Father, for the holy spirit is the Father]."

Yes to become the sons of God, is to become adopted sons, but they still are not literal sons of God, or in other words they are not literally begotten of God as Jesus was, Jesus who is God's only begotten son!
Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Jesus is a literal son! That is the difference! This is a serious question, do you understand the difference between a literal son and a adopted son?

 

[101G]

Yes, the holy spirit is the spirit of God, God's spirit, His breath, His power, His word, His right arm, His right hand, His strength, His righteousness, and anything else I may not have mentioned.

yes, JESUS, who is GOD in Ordinal designation, who hold all the titles above.....

And your rebuttal itself makes no sense, and even contradicts itself (on one hand you say, that I said the Father is the spirit, then you argue as if I said the Father is not the spirit, you switch it around), but I'll say this, the Father is spirit and holy, the holy spirit is the Father's spirit, and there is only one spirit. God the Father is spirit, when God speaks spirit comes out of His mouth, because God is eternal spirit, and not in bodily form.

nonesense, stick with scriptures.

Why did you not just continue with the way you stated it the first time "the Holy Ghost/Spirit is the Father then correct" and continue on reading it like this, "Matthew 1:20 ..for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost [is of the Father, for the holy spirit is the Father]."

JESUS is the Holy Spirit.... (smile).

Yes to become the sons of God, is to become adopted sons, but they still are not literal sons of God, or in other words they are not literally begotten of God as Jesus was, Jesus who is God's only begotten son!

Jesus was not begotten of God literally, but his body was.... (smile).

Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Jesus is a literal son! That is the difference! This is a serious question, do you understand the difference between a literal son and a adopted son?

simply "ELECTION". which is BORN AGAIN, John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:4 "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THESE VERSES OF SCRIPTURE.... REALLY?

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

yes, JESUS, who is GOD in Ordinal designation, who hold all the titles above.....

nonesense, stick with scriptures.

JESUS is the Holy Spirit.... (smile).

Jesus was not begotten of God literally, but his body was.... (smile).

simply "ELECTION". which is BORN AGAIN, John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:4 "Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?" John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THESE VERSES OF SCRIPTURE.... REALLY?

101G.

I'll respond to all of your post with this..

We need to include all verse. So yes we are born again, because our old person dies, though we are still that person changed by receiving Christ's spirit, and Christ lives with us by His spirit, so we are still adopted, and adopted is adopted into the family! That means we were not originally from that family. But Christ came out from God and became flesh, a baby that grew in wisdom. And scripture teaches He is God's only begotten son. And, that means there is no other only begotten son.

Jesus Christ is the image of God, the spirit of God, the word of God, which word was First in order, before all things, and is the one in Gen 1:2 Isa 40:18-22.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
When was this "firstborn" and "image" referring to,..
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
How do we know Jesus was the firstborn, because by the firstborn all the others were created, whatever was created was created by the word of God, the firstborn. This statement "..image..firstborn..For by him.." of Paul's, only has force if one already believes in the God which the Bible teaches, which Christ taught, which Paul taught, and which I teach.
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

The firstborn: here in Col. 1:15-16 is referring to before anything was created! The first of God's ways Psalm 8:22-30! When God spoke!
By the firstborn God created everything..

Pro 8:22 “The LORD possessed me [Jn 1:1 "..and God was the word" is how it reads in k.Greek] at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old [when God first spoke His word Psalm 33:6].
Pro 8:23 Ages ago I was set up, at the first, before the beginning of the earth [Jn 1:1 "In the beginning was the word.."].
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths I was brought forth [God first spoke His word], when there were no springs abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains had been shaped, before the hills, I was brought forth,
Pro 8:26 before he had made the earth with its fields, or the first of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep [Gen 1:2, when "..darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God ["I was there"] was hovering over the face of the waters."; Isa 40:18-22 is about God's image above the circle of the earth in the beginning from the foundation of the earth],
Pro 8:28 when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep,
Pro 8:29 when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
Pro 8:30 then I was beside him [Jn 1:1 "..and the word was with God..," and again two, and one was brought forth like Gen 2:21], like a master workman [God's word], and I was daily his delight, rejoicing before him always,
Pro 8:31 rejoicing in his inhabited world and delighting in the children of man.

Notice how it matches Gen 1 wording..

Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image ["I was there"; "then I was beside him"], after our likeness ["I was there"]. And let them have dominion over the..”
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image ["when he"; "when he made"], in the image of God he created him ["when he made"]; male and female he created them ["when he made"].

..and also Gen 2..

Gen 2:21 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs [from the area of the lunges "I was brought forth"] and closed up its place with flesh.
Gen 2:22 And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her [returned her back] to the man.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son [firstborn "For by him were all things created" Col 1:15-16; and Jn 17:3 God sent, Jesus did not send, he did not come of His own Jn 7:28-29; 8:42], born of woman [and again firstborn, born Man Jn 1:14; 6:51], born under the law,

I Love the word of God, Truth, Power, and Freedom!

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

We need to include all verse. So yes we are born again, because our old person dies, though we are still that person changed by receiving Christ's spirit, and Christ lives with us by His spirit, so we are still adopted, and adopted is adopted into the family! That means we were not originally from that family.

you said, "that means we were not originally from that family.". WHO told you that LIE? ELECTION means CHOICE, and we were chosen in CHRIST Jesus, (GOD ALMIGHTY), before the world was. and two adoptions according to the flesh has nothing to do with blood. it's simply a LEGAL MATTER... WHY? because we're all of ONE BLOOD, meaning we're in the family, because we 'all are of ONE BLOOD, (see acts 17:26). this is why in the family of God we have "spirit" from where? .... you got it, GOD almighty. my God 7x please understand the things of the Spirit. LISTEN, Romans 8:13 "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." it's the way one acts that make us sons or not. this is what 101G was trying to get some to see in another topic. our spirits come from God, not from yours and mine biological mothers and fathers, no. did you not read? LISTEN, Jeremiah 1:4 "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying," Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." READ THAT AGAIN.

But Christ came out from God and became flesh, a baby that grew in wisdom. And scripture teaches He is God's only begotten son. And, that means there is no other only begotten son.

brilliant and Ignorance, all at the same time. you are correct in, "Christ came out from God and became flesh". yes, the Christ came out from God, and that Christ ... "GREW".... listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." his OWN ARM, yes, LISTEN, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

the Lord JESUS is GOD'S.... "OWN ARM" .... yes, that ARM GREW, and also GREW in Wisdom, Luke 2:52 "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." one more, Luke 2:40 "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him." 7x, that CHILD? listen, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." yes, that child is the EVERLASTING FATHER in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), 1. make empty. there is why he GREW. oh my this is too easy.

now, the second half of your question. " He is God's only begotten son. And, that means there is no other only begotten son". question for you, HOW NWAS HE BEGOTTEN? you better THINK before you answer. now, 101G will help you out...... 1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

(smile), one more, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord."

was Timothy the apostle OWN Son? (smile)......

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
When was this "firstborn" and "image" referring to,..

was not made in the IMAGE of God? let's see. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." now, 7x who is the IMAGE of God, read that verse again.

How do we know Jesus was the firstborn, because by the firstborn all the others were created, whatever was created was created by the word of God, the firstborn. This statement "..image..firstborn..For by him.." of Paul's, only has force if one already believes in the God which the Bible teaches, which Christ taught, which Paul taught, and which I teach.
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ignorance on your part. for God was "ALONE", and "By Himself" when he, he, he, he, ONE PERSON made all things. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" that term "ALONE" means, having no one else present. Uh O, and "BY" himself, listen, according to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, "BY": 3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

this definition answers you next reply, Pro 8:22-31 ....... (smile), what was possessed was his own WISDOM, for the LIGHT of God is WISDOM. supportive scripture, Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
LIGHT, here in verse 3 is the Hebrew term, H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Root(s): H215

see that second definition. , happiness, another word for happiness is Rejoice, and delight which is found in you proverb scriptures. Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." Proverbs 8:23 "I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." Proverbs 8:24 "When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water." Proverbs 8:25 "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:" Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world." Proverbs 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" Proverbs 8:28 "When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:" Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:" Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;" Proverbs 8:31 "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.".... (smile), this is just too easy not to understand.

if you still don't understand, ask a concerning question.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

GINOLJC, to all.

you said, "that means we were not originally from that family.". WHO told you that LIE? ELECTION means CHOICE, and we were chosen in CHRIST Jesus, (GOD ALMIGHTY), before the world was. and two adoptions according to the flesh has nothing to do with blood. it's simply a LEGAL MATTER... WHY? because we're all of ONE BLOOD, meaning we're in the family, because we 'all are of ONE BLOOD, (see acts 17:26). this is why in the family of God we have "spirit" from where? .... you got it, GOD almighty. my God 7x please understand the things of the Spirit. LISTEN, Romans 8:13 "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." it's the way one acts that make us sons or not. this is what 101G was trying to get some to see in another topic. our spirits come from God, not from yours and mine biological mothers and fathers, no. did you not read? LISTEN, Jeremiah 1:4 "Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying," Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations." READ THAT AGAIN.

brilliant and Ignorance, all at the same time. you are correct in, "Christ came out from God and became flesh". yes, the Christ came out from God, and that Christ ... "GREW".... listen, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." his OWN ARM, yes, LISTEN, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

the Lord JESUS is GOD'S.... "OWN ARM" .... yes, that ARM GREW, and also GREW in Wisdom, Luke 2:52 "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." one more, Luke 2:40 "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him." 7x, that CHILD? listen, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." yes, that child is the EVERLASTING FATHER in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), 1. make empty. there is why he GREW. oh my this is too easy.

now, the second half of your question. " He is God's only begotten son. And, that means there is no other only begotten son". question for you, HOW NWAS HE BEGOTTEN? you better THINK before you answer. now, 101G will help you out...... 1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

(smile), one more, 1 Timothy 1:2 "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord."

was Timothy the apostle OWN Son? (smile)......

was not made in the IMAGE of God? let's see. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." now, 7x who is the IMAGE of God, read that verse again.

Ignorance on your part. for God was "ALONE", and "By Himself" when he, he, he, he, ONE PERSON made all things. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" that term "ALONE" means, having no one else present. Uh O, and "BY" himself, listen, according to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, "BY": 3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

this definition answers you next reply, Pro 8:22-31 ....... (smile), what was possessed was his own WISDOM, for the LIGHT of God is WISDOM. supportive scripture, Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
LIGHT, here in verse 3 is the Hebrew term, H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Root(s): H215

see that second definition. , happiness, another word for happiness is Rejoice, and delight which is found in you proverb scriptures. Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." Proverbs 8:23 "I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." Proverbs 8:24 "When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water." Proverbs 8:25 "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:" Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world." Proverbs 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" Proverbs 8:28 "When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:" Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:" Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;" Proverbs 8:31 "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.".... (smile), this is just too easy not to understand.

if you still don't understand, ask a concerning question.

101G.

Yes, there are different types of "begotten" (which was included in my point), but I am speaking of only one type, and you are mixing them together. You also misquote me and build strawman.

So, before I even continue, we need to agree on this..
Seriously, how many only begotten son's do you think one could have?

 

[MTMattie]

Let me stop you right here. You got my example wrong! The word that comes out of ones mouth is not a person! You are still not understanding what I have said. I've made this very clear, that there was only the Father person in the beginning with His spoken word (which word was not a person, but is living). Before there was Eve, there was Adam and His rib, which rib was then made into a person.
Are you and your spoken word, two persons, two beings? No! So, how did you get two person beings in the beginning

Quick question that perhaps I have missed, because so far what I made red is not clear.......to me.

In John 1 vs 1 we read..... ( I have posted every translation that is common to man, these days below)

New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New Living Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

English Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Berean Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Berean Literal Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New American Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NASB 1995
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NASB 1977
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Legacy Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Amplified Bible
In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

American Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Contemporary English Version
In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.

English Revised Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Good News Translation
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

International Standard Version
In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Majority Standard Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

NET Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God.

New Heart English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Webster's Bible Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

World English Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

Berean Literal Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Young's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

Smith's Literal Translation
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Catholic Public Domain Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.

New American Bible
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

New Revised Standard Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
THE Word was in the beginning, and that very Word was with God, and God was that Word.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.
NT Translations
Anderson New Testament
IN the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD, was with God, and the WORD was God.

Godbey New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Haweis New Testament
IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mace New Testament
In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God.

Weymouth New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Worrell New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Worsley New Testament
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

AS YOU CAN SEE... Every translation has the word Word, capitalized, and I am sure that terms like that never are, unless you are screaming at someone.
But now look through the qupted section below. And Again pay attention to the highlighted words
and I do believe you will have to agree they are referencing a person.
If John was wrong in 1:1 how can you prove it when no one else seems to agree. Those who have
studied the languages and translations.
But if you can... then we can wipe his book out of the gospels because if he is wrong in one thing,
could well be wrong in others....
And that would mean that ... wait for it.... that if it was God's own spoken word that spoke creation into being... then every time we read or hear that the word became flesh (ie Jesus) that God would in fact he His own son. And that would be the miracle and accomplishment to to end all.

Obviously He or The Same was with... could not be the same as....it is separate.
I have to cut the length of the following due to count... But you will get the idea
New International Version
He was with God in the beginning.

New Living Translation
He existed in the beginning with God.

English Standard Version
He was in the beginning with God.

Berean Standard Bible
He was with God in the beginning.

Berean Literal Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

King James Bible
The same was in the beginning with God.

New King James Version
He was in the beginning with God.

New American Standard Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

NASB 1995
He was in the beginning with God.

NASB 1977
He was in the beginning with God.

Legacy Standard Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

Amplified Bible
He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.

Christian Standard Bible
He was with God in the beginning.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
He was with God in the beginning.

American Standard Version
The same was in the beginning with God.

Contemporary English Version
From the very beginning the Word was with God.

English Revised Version
The same was in the beginning with God.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He was already with God in the beginning.

Good News Translation
From the very beginning the Word was with God.

International Standard Version
He existed in the beginning with God.

Majority Standard Bible
He was with God in the beginning.

NET Bible
The Word was with God in the beginning.

New Heart English Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

Webster's Bible Translation
The same was in the beginning with God.

Weymouth New Testament
He was in the beginning with God.

World English Bible
The same was in the beginning with God.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
this One was in the beginning with God;

Berean Literal Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

Young's Literal Translation
this one was in the beginning with God;

Smith's Literal Translation
This was in the beginning with God.
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
The same was in the beginning with God.

Catholic Public Domain Version
He was with God in the beginning.

New American Bible
He was in the beginning with God.

 

[101G]

Yes, there are different types of "begotten" (which was included in my point), but I am speaking of only one type, and you are mixing them together. You also misquote me and build strawman.

So, before I even continue, we need to agree on this..
Seriously, how many only begotten son's do you think one could have?

MANY, Listen really close. "Begotten", It should be understood that monogenes is not referring to being created or conceived as if Jesus wasn’t eternal, for Jesus always has and will always be God eternal. Listen, the Lord Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)...... so what do the term "Only Begotten means here?

in the Bible, "Begotten" is used to describe the unique relationship between God the Father and Jesus Christ, His Son, (according to the flesh). This term is used to clarify the special nature of Jesus's relationship with God, and to distinguish Him from created beings.

what do 101G means here. the Nature of God is the ECHAD of himself ... "SHARED" ... in flesh. the flesh was conceived. not the spirit, understand again, "monogenes is not referring to being created or conceived"... but in relationship. and in that relationship, he God JESUS, the Ordinal Last did as 101G said, bring MANY sons and daughters into GLORY in him. supportive scripture, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." Hebrews 2:10 "For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings."

bring how many? "MANY". 7x did you not read? listen, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

now do you know what that word "receive" means here as in " and I will receive you?" when used as a VERB "To assimilate into one's understanding or comprehension". ...... "conceive", and you do know what that means.... but it is also synonyms with "become conscious", or as the bible say, to come "ALIVE" to God...... better known as "BORN AGAIN" .... hello. supportive scripture, John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." and born again is synonyms with conceive. HELLO, and conceive is another word for "receive" as stated by the word of God, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"
7x you need to look up words and "BECOME ALIVE" again. see, when Adam fell because of sin, he just need to be ...... BORN AGAIN.... regenerated ..... other words, "become conscious" again. Oh how simple the bible is.

now go back over this post and "become conscious" unto God in Christ Jesus .... the Gospel. just as BAPTISM do, 1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" .... HELLO, "a good conscience" ..... toward God. yes,

101G.

 

[Keiw1]

Isaiah 6:1–10 (UASV) — 1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw Jehovah sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies; the whole earth is full of his glory!” 4 And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke. 5 And I said: “Woe is me! For I have been brought to silence; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, Jehovah of armies!” 6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a burning coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 And he touched my mouth and said: “Look, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away, and your sin atoned for.” 8 And I heard the voice of Jehovah saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here I am! Send me.” 9 And he said, “Go, and tell this people: “ ‘Keep on listening, but do not understand; keep on looking but do not perceive.’ 10 Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and blind their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”

Isaiah has a vision of Jehovah

and plainly states he has seen the king, Jehovah of armies

John the apostle discusses this at

John 12:36–43 (UASV) — 36 While you have the light, believe in the light, so that you may become sons of light.” Jesus said these things, and he went away and was hidden from them. 37 But though he had performed so many signs before them, yet they were not believing in him. 38 So that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he said: “Lord, who has believed in the thing heard from us, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” 39 For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, 40 “He has blinded their eyes and he hardened their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I might heal them.” 41 These things Isaiah said because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him. Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing him, so that they might not be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the glory of men more than the glory of God.

But identifies Jesus as the one seen

In Isaiah it is asked “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?

who will go for us?

Us not me

Isaiah tells us he saw Jehovah

john states he saw Jesus

Only the Holy Spirit is missing

well

Acts 28:25–27 (KJV 1900) — 25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

according to Luke

It was the Holy Spirit which pronounced the hardening of those people

Thus the us is seen as all three of the trinity

You twist the us--All beings are involved in that matter.
Isaiah 44:6- I( not we) am Jehovah, besides me( not we) there is no other God--proves 100% you twist the us. 1 and me is 100% for sure 1 single being.