Isaiah and the trinity

[TomL]

Isa 40:21 (well actually verses 18, 21, and 22) is the very reason, why, I say it speaks of the spirit of God, alone, So, how ridiculous is it to question me on Isa 40:22, but block the answer of Isa 40:21. Sounding like you do want to hear it!

In verse 18 God calls attention to His image (an image is you, but not you, correct), and asks us a couple of questions, and verse 21 points us to the beginning of Genesis asking why we did not understand His image from back then, and verse 22 tells us the location of where to look in Genesis for His image (upon the circle of the earth). It's rather really straightforward. But in no way could one conclude from that, that only the spirit of God created.

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

Isaiah 40:18 (LEB) — 18 And to whom will you liken God? And to what likeness will you compare him?


Isaiah 40:21 (LEB) — 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundation of the earth?

Isaiah 40:22 (LEB) — 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

nothing in any of those verses state he who sits above the circle of the earth is the spirit alone

And as explained the verse speaks of God sitting current reality not a past tense creation sitting






Nothing in any of those verses tells me he who sitteth

 

[7xLightray]

Do you not understand my words?

The point I am arguing is Isa 40:22 is not a reference to the Holy Spirit alone

Isaiah 40:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, And the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; That stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, And spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Do you not understand my words?

The point I am arguing is Isa 40:22 is a reference to the spirit alone!
For, Isa 40:18 is speaking of God's image, and verse 21 points to Genesis, and verse 22 points to the one upon the circle of the earth, which only the the spirit of God is mention upon the waters of the earth.

But you are way to focused on Isaiah 40:22, and missing 18 and 21 and Gen 1:2, 26-27:2:22-23. Even to the point that you refuse to answer Isa 40:21.

"He" is a reference to the spirit of God, and Gen 2:22 explains how.

All these verses in Genesis actually explain Gods own image, and the three in one beast keeps you from seeing that!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[TomL]

Do you not understand my words?

The point I am arguing is Isa 40:22 is a reference to the spirit alone!
For, Isa 40:18 is speaking of God's image, and verse 21 points to Genesis, and verse 22 points to the one upon the circle of the earth, which only the the spirit of God is mention upon the waters of the earth.

But you are way to focused on Isaiah 40:22, and missing 18 and 21 and Gen 1:2, 26-27:2:22-23. Even to the point that you refuse to answer Isa 40:21.

"He" is a reference to the spirit of God, and Gen 2:22 explains how.

All these verses in Genesis actually explain Gods own image, and the three in one beast keeps you from seeing that!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

No as i told you and you keep ignoring

1 Isa 40:22 speaks of a present (at the time written) and not a creation past tense reality

2 Multiple verses place God not just the Spirit above the earth and attribute creation to all three of the Godhead

Just because creation is mentioned does not mean the spirit alone is above the circle of the earth

 

[7xLightray]

Isaiah 40:18 (LEB) — 18 And to whom will you liken God? And to what likeness will you compare him?


Isaiah 40:21 (LEB) — 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundation of the earth?

Isaiah 40:22 (LEB) — 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

nothing in any of those verses state he who sits above the circle of the earth is the spirit alone

And as explained the verse speaks of God sitting current reality not a past tense creation sitting






Nothing in any of those verses tells me he who sitteth

Never said the verses in Isa 40:18-22 speak of the spirit of God. It has to do with comprehending what is being said and asked in those verses.

The Present Tense has more to do with a continues, or repeated kind of Action, in k.Greek.

 

[TomL]

Never said the verses in Isa 40:18-22 speak of the spirit of God. It has to do with comprehending what is being said and asked in those verses.

The Present Tense has more to do with a continues, or repeated kind of Action, in k.Greek.

Your words from previous post

The point I am arguing is Isa 40:22 is a reference to the spirit alone!

PS we are dealing with a Hebrew text and you cannot deny all that is God is above the earth

 

[7xLightray]

No as i told you and you keep ignoring

1 Isa 40:22 speaks of a present (at the time written) and not a creation past tense reality

2 Multiple verses place God not just the Spirit above the earth and attribute creation to all three of the Godhead

Just because creation is mentioned does not mean the spirit alone is above the circle of the earth

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[7xLightray]

Your words from previous post

The point I am arguing is Isa 40:22 is a reference to the spirit alone!

PS we are dealing with a Hebrew text and you cannot deny all that is God is above the earth

Yes, reference. I am not saying in Isa 40:18-22 it speak of the spirit of God, but it references it, by understanding the context of the rest of Isa 4:18-22.
ref·er·ence:
1. the action of mentioning or alluding to something.
2. the use of a source of information in order to ascertain something.

I do not deny that God is above the earth. But that is not going to help you!

 

[7xLightray]

Yes, reference. I am not saying in Isa 40:18-22 it speak of the spirit of God, but it references it, by understanding the context of the rest of Isa 4:18-22.
ref·er·ence:
1. the action of mentioning or alluding to something.
2. the use of a source of information in order to ascertain something.

I do not deny that God is above the earth. But that is not going to help you!

Noticed a typo in first sentence. It should read: "by understanding the context of the rest of Isa 40:18-22."

 

[101G]

And I do not understand how this comment "and thirdly, if alone, then the other two so-called person are not Omni-Present, hence meaning not God." applies to me, I am not trinitarian.

it applies to every one trinitarian or not. the word is clear, he, he, he, was "ALONE", and "By Himself". that alone destroys any other PERSON in any Godhead. again, "ALONE" means, having no one else present. that's self-explanatory.

and if the Word in John 1:3 MADE ALL THING, being "ALONE" then it's the same one person. that's too easy not to understand.


101G.

 

[101G]

In verse 18 God calls attention to His image (an image is you, but not you, correct), and asks us a couple of questions, and verse 21 points us to the beginning of Genesis asking why we did not understand His image from back then, and verse 22 tells us the location of where to look in Genesis for His image (upon the circle of the earth). It's rather really straightforward. But in no way could one conclude from that, that only the spirit of God created.

question, "is not the Lord Jesus the Last? is he not God? now read Isaiah 63:5 and then read Isaiah 53 to know and understand who his, his, the Spirit, OWN ARM is.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

it applies to every one trinitarian or not. the word is clear, he, he, he, was "ALONE", and "By Himself". that alone destroys any other PERSON in any Godhead. again, "ALONE" means, having no one else present. that's self-explanatory.

and if the Word in John 1:3 MADE ALL THING, being "ALONE" then it's the same one person. that's too easy not to understand.


101G.

Well, first, can you show me where I said there was two persons at creation that made them male and female, cause I know I typed this in post#102..

"These two verses state the "Us" and "Our" are male and female, which are Adam and Eve, clearly two persons, two beings, in the image of "Us" and "Our!"
And only one "his", "he", and "he", made them male and female!"

And Gen 1:27 clearly says "his," and "he," made them in "our" image. Do you understand this, and what I am saying?

This shows me you have not understood my words, yet, you are debating me, and correcting me, how is this possible?

 

[7xLightray]

question, "is not the Lord Jesus the Last? is he not God? now read Isaiah 63:5 and then read Isaiah 53 to know and understand who his, his, the Spirit, OWN ARM is.

101G.

His own arm refers to God's power, which is God's word, which is spirit. What do I have wrong?

 

[TomL]

it applies to every one trinitarian or not. the word is clear, he, he, he, was "ALONE", and "By Himself". that alone destroys any other PERSON in any Godhead. again, "ALONE" means, having no one else present. that's self-explanatory.

and if the Word in John 1:3 MADE ALL THING, being "ALONE" then it's the same one person. that's too easy not to understand.


101G.

God alone. Father, son and holy Spirit not having any other God there with them

It destroys any but the true God being involved in creation

 

[101G]

Well, first, can you show me where I said there was two persons at creation that made them male and female, cause I know I typed this in post#102..

"These two verses state the "Us" and "Our" are male and female, which are Adam and Eve, clearly two persons, two beings, in the image of "Us" and "Our!"
And only one "his", "he", and "he", made them male and female!"

And Gen 1:27 clearly says "his," and "he," made them in "our" image. Do you understand this, and what I am saying?

This shows me you have not understood my words, yet, you are debating me, and correcting me, how is this possible?

here is your ERROR. US and OUR did make Man, but not at Genesis 1:26...... hello, (smile), do you NOW UNDERSTAND?
Oh my......

101G

 

[101G]

His own arm refers to God's power, which is God's word, which is spirit. What do I have wrong?

His own ARM refers to his PERSON as the Ordinal Last. supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
here Express means Exact. meaning the same ONE PERSON in the EQUAL SHARE of HIMSELF as the ECHAD of Ordinal LAST/Son.

please learn and UNDERSTAND the ECHAD of God in TIME... which answers the US and the OUR in Genesis 1:26. PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. this is just too easy not to understand.

now that "OWN ARM" of God came Later in due time, LISTEN. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and as for the POWER which was in that "ARM of FLESH, bone, and BLOOD, that body. let's see the power, Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" BINGO THERE IS THE POWER. remember he was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') 1. to make empty, while in that flesh. so the EMPOWERMENT was in the Spirit the Ordinal First, supportive scripture, 2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." God was in God.... (smile), in that body in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') 1. to make empty state. Oh this is so GOOD, how can one miss such a GREAT salvation.... Oh well.

101G.

PS if you have any Legitimate question, just ask.

 

[101G]

God alone. Father, son and holy Spirit not having any other God there with them

With them, let's see what the bible says. scripture A. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Scripture B. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

Scripture C. Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" NONE ELSE... ONLY HIM, ONE PERSON. "None else" is a phrase used in written English to emphasize that there are no other possibilities or options

Scripture D. Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."

Scripture E. Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

Scripture F. Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me." is not the Lord Jesus our saviour, (well 101G know that he is mine... ".

you're out of possibilities or options. how many times must he say this?

and the term BESIDE means 1. at the side of; next to 2. in addition to; apart from.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[TomL]

here is your ERROR. US and OUR did make Man, but not at Genesis 1:26...... hello, (smile), do you NOW UNDERSTAND?
Oh my......

101G

Um all three were involved in creation

John 1:3 (LEB) — 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

Colossians 1:16 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him,

Hebrews 1:2 (LEB) — 2 in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the world,

Hebrews 1:10 (LEB) — 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands;

1 Corinthians 8:6 (LEB) — 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we are for him, and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him.

Job 33:4 (LEB) — 4 The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of Shaddai gives life to me.

Psalm 104:30 (LEB) — 30 You send forth your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the ground.

Job 26:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; His hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

 

[TomL]

With them, let's see what the bible says. scripture A. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Scripture B. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

Scripture C. Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" NONE ELSE... ONLY HIM, ONE PERSON. "None else" is a phrase used in written English to emphasize that there are no other possibilities or options

Scripture D. Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."

Scripture E. Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

Scripture F. Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me." is not the Lord Jesus our saviour, (well 101G know that he is mine... ".

you're out of possibilities or options. how many times must he say this?

and the term BESIDE means 1. at the side of; next to 2. in addition to; apart from.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

How many times will it escape your understanding trinitarism only believes in one God

You need to rebut the personal distinctions shown in the godhead and a verse which states God is but a single person

a verse

 

[7xLightray]

here is your ERROR. US and OUR did make Man, but not at Genesis 1:26...... hello, (smile), do you NOW UNDERSTAND?
Oh my......

101G

Where did I say God created at Gen 1:26?

 

[7xLightray]

His own ARM refers to his PERSON as the Ordinal Last. supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
here Express means Exact. meaning the same ONE PERSON in the EQUAL SHARE of HIMSELF as the ECHAD of Ordinal LAST/Son.

please learn and UNDERSTAND the ECHAD of God in TIME... which answers the US and the OUR in Genesis 1:26. PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. this is just too easy not to understand.

now that "OWN ARM" of God came Later in due time, LISTEN. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." and as for the POWER which was in that "ARM of FLESH, bone, and BLOOD, that body. let's see the power, Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" BINGO THERE IS THE POWER. remember he was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') 1. to make empty, while in that flesh. so the EMPOWERMENT was in the Spirit the Ordinal First, supportive scripture, 2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." God was in God.... (smile), in that body in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') 1. to make empty state. Oh this is so GOOD, how can one miss such a GREAT salvation.... Oh well.

101G.

PS if you have any Legitimate question, just ask.

Are you also reading in Hebrews 1:3 "image of his person" An image of a person, is not the same, it's a copy of the same.

Here is God's arm of power:
Jn 12:37 Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him,
Jn 12:38 so that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed what he heard from us, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
This must be referring to the power to do signs”
And..
Psa 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
Psa 89:21 so that my hand shall be established with him; my arm also shall strengthen him.
God's arm is going to strengthen someone else.
But, just so we understand who this is really speaking of..
Psa 89:26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Psa 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.