brightfame52
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Thats where we differ, and you seem to be inconsistent in what you stated at first,
Apparently you make believing a condition to get salvation and joy, instead of believing and joy being evidences of being saved.
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Apparently you make believing a condition to get salvation and joy, instead of believing and joy being evidences of being saved.
civic
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yes thats where you and the bible part ways. tu;ip is not the gospel and if you claim it is then it falls under a false gospel as per 2 Cor 11:4 and galatians 1
Darby
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If you don't believe in Jesus you're not saved. Once you believe in Jesus (what He did on the cross) you're saved. You've been reborn into God's kingdom.
In God's kingdom is righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. And as Believers in Jesus Christ we've become part of God's kingdom. Also as believers we have eternal life now.
brightfame52
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As long as you condition your salvation before God on your act of believing, thats salvation by your works, and a denial of the Gospel.
Rockson
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That's like saying because a Store sent out coupons to receive something for free because they drove to the store with the coupon that means you feel you can claim they worked for it?
Let's interview the Manager of such a store,
Interviewer: I thought you said on the coupon you're offering that blessing for free!
Walmart Manager: We did!
Interviewer: Well your customers had to work for it! They had to drive to the store to get it.
The manager rolls his eyes and so does everyone who watches the interview! All would say what a dumb assertion the interviewer was making. Know what? You yourself would think it was dumb too so why do you go with this type of thinking when it comes to God????
civic
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Ditto
Darby
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I've heard that argument before and find it amusing and contrary to what the bible teaches. It's not my act of believing that saves me it's believing on what Jesus did on the cross that saves me. It's his death on the cross is what brings about salvation , forgiveness of sins. And how would I know that except by believing it as it's clearly laid out in the bible.
I'm believing in something that God did over 2000 years ago. I do not believe that salvation comes to me automatically because I'm part of the so-called "Elect".
Salvation is the work of God for man, rather than a work of man for God. We received the gift of salvation by faith and believing what Christ accomplished the cross.
Salvation can be accomplished only through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is a simple trust and believe in Jesus that opens the way into the infinite power and grace of God. It is “unto every one that believeth,” “For there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.”
brightfame52
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May God be pleased to have mercy on you friend and deliver you from that work salvation deception
Darby
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Thanks but no thanks. I know that I'm saved and it's not by works salvation. Because I'm not ashamed of the gospel I'm not ashamed of the one I love.
I love Him Because He first loved me. It says so in the bible.
I love Him Because He first loved me. It says so in the bible.
“God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16
Grace ambassador
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dwight92070
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Romans 4:1-5 says that believing is not a work. Should we go by Paul or you?
Darby
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Believing is only a work if you use both sides of your brain simultaneously while jumping up and down, waving your arms shouting Hallelujah.
brightfame52
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As long as you condition your salvation before God on your act of believing, thats salvation by your works, and a denial of the Gospel.
Darby
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You're unbiblical statement conflicts with the clear teachings of the Bible. God gives us a choice to believe in His Son or not. He doesn't want robots to serve him.
And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
Joshua 24:15
They believed in God And chose to Serve him.
When Elijah challenged the prophets of Baal and Ashtoreth at Carmel, he confronted the Israelites for their spiritual adultery: “How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If Yahweh is God, follow Him. But if Baal, follow him” 1 Kings 18:21
Elijah Believed that the people really could choose to follow God For a man-made deity.
In the New Testament, Jesus exhorted persons to follow him and to turn from their wicked ways. Take the rich young ruler for instance, Jesus gave him the choice to sell all his possessions and follow Him. Or not choose Jesus and head on down the road.
Rockson
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Just another example of a Calvinist really not wanting to believe what they say they believe. If he really believes everything I mean EVERYTHING is already ordained of God what business would it be of his to recommend that God does anything. Who does he think he is to be hoping something which might go cross grain of God's will?
Anja
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Your bible Interpretation is what is False. The gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes
Lesson 5: The Gospel: God’s Power for Salvation (Romans 1:16-17) | Bible.org
Expository study of Romans: Because the gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, we must believe it and proclaim it boldly.
brightfame52
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No its biblical, Salvation is conditioned solely on Christ and His Work for a person, but you condition it on your act of faith
Darby
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That's false and it's not Biblical. Christ procures our salvation through His work on the cross. But in order to receive it we must believe it In our heart and confess it with our mouth.
Salvation is a gift from God, received through faith in Jesus Christ believing the gospel. If you have the Son you have life. In order to have the Son you need to have faith and believe that He died for us.
Salvation is a gift from God, received through faith in Jesus Christ believing the gospel. If you have the Son you have life. In order to have the Son you need to have faith and believe that He died for us.
brightfame52
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Thats absolutely False, As Saviour Christ is a Complete Saviour, the Salvation He obtained for them He died for, He also applies it to them, and thats why they believe, believing is part of the Application Christ procured for His Sheep.
Darby
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That's stupendously false. We choose to believe, He doesn't make us believe. He gave us a free will. If you understand and believe what the Bible says about Jesus, and if you are trusting in those truths as the basis for salvation—you are saved! You “believe in Jesus” in the biblical sense.
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