What Does “Another Gospel” Mean?

[Red Baker]

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I WANTED TO GATHER YOUR CHILDREN TOGETHER, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, AND YOU WERE UNWILLING. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!" Matthew 23:37-38

I have always consider this as Christ here speaking as a man, and the minister of the circumcision, and expresses an human affection for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and an human desire, for men to come to the truth. He is speaking in his limited knowledge that he possessed in his humanity!

Instances of the human affection, and will of Christ, may be observed in Mark 10:21 which will of his, though not contrary to the divine will, but subordinate to it, yet not always the same with it, nor always fulfilled: whereas his divine will, or his will as God, is, always fulfilled: "who hath resisted his will?" this cannot be hindered, and made void; he does whatsoever he pleases: and further, that this will of Christ to gather the Jews to himself, is to be understood of his human, and not divine will, is manifest from hence, that this will was in him, and expressed by him at certain several times, by intervals; and therefore he says, "how often would I have gathered," etc. whereas the divine will is one continued, invariable, and unchangeable will, is always the same, and never begins or ceases to be, and to which such an expression is inapplicable; and therefore these words do not contradict the absolute and sovereign will of God, in the distinguishing acts of it, respecting the choice of some persons, and the leaving of others. And it is to be observed, that the persons whom Christ would have gathered, are not represented as being unwilling to be gathered; but their rulers were not willing that they should, and be made proselytes to him, and come under his wings. It is not said, "how often would I have gathered you, and you would not!" nor, "I would have gathered Jerusalem, and she would not"; nor, "I would have gathered thy children, and they would not"; but, "how often would I have gathered thy children, and ye would not!" Which observation alone is sufficient to destroy the argument founded on this passage in favor of free will. The bottom line is that they would, because of their fallen nature which was at enmity against God, thereby, their could not, unless their nature was changed.

Romans 9:16​

“So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.”

Wow, I guess we DO have a free will!! To suggest otherwise is another gospel.

You guess wrong, try studying the scriptures and seeking your truth from God's word, not from guessing.

 

[Johann]

I have always consider this as Christ here speaking as a man, and the minister of the circumcision, and expresses an human affection for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and an human desire, for men to come to the truth. He is speaking in his limited knowledge that he possessed in his humanity!

I believe this is error @Red Baker. And you will not agree with me on this passage.


Matthew 23:37-38 does not indicate any "limited knowledge" on Christ's part but rather a clear expression of divine compassion and judicial pronouncement.

The phrase "how often I wanted to gather your children together" (ποσάκις ἠθέλησα) demonstrates Christ’s continual willingness to gather Jerusalem's inhabitants, which is consistent with God’s longstanding dealings with Israel. The refusal of Jerusalem (οὐκ ἠθελήσατε) is presented as their moral culpability, not an indication of Christ’s limitation in knowledge.



ἠθέλησα (ēthelēsa, "I wanted") – Aorist active indicative of θέλω, indicating a decisive and deliberate will, showing Christ’s desire over time.

οὐκ ἠθελήσατε (ouk ēthelēsate, "you were not willing") – Aorist active indicative, expressing Jerusalem's persistent refusal.
ἰδοὺ ἀφίεται ὑμῖν ὁ οἶκος ὑμῶν ἔρημος (idou aphietai hymin ho oikos hymōn erēmos, "Behold, your house is left to you desolate") – "Aphietai" is present passive indicative, indicating an action already happening as a result of their rejection.


Divine Omniscience Demonstrated – This statement does not reflect a lack of knowledge but rather Christ’s judicial pronouncement upon Israel for rejecting Him (cf. Luke 19:41-44). Jesus elsewhere demonstrates foreknowledge (John 2:24-25; John 6:64; John 13:19).

Parallel with Old Testament – This passage mirrors the language of divine compassion found in Psalm 91:4, Deuteronomy 32:11-12, and Isaiah 31:5, showing that Christ is speaking as Yahweh, not merely as a man.

Consistent with God's Desire for Repentance – Ezekiel 18:23, Ezekiel 33:11, and 2 Peter 3:9 affirm God's longing for repentance, yet without negating divine sovereignty.

Jesus’ Deity and Human Will – Christ has both a divine and human will (John 6:38; Luke 22:42). The divine will is immutable, but Christ’s human expression of longing does not imply ignorance.

Jerusalem’s Guilt – The passage highlights human responsibility rather than divine limitation. The city's resistance is a recurrent biblical theme (Nehemiah 9:26; 2 Chronicles 36:15-16; Acts 7:51-52).

Context of Judgment – Jesus is not expressing limited knowledge but condemning Israel’s leaders and predicting destruction (Matthew 24:2; Luke 21:24).

Cross-References:
God’s Protective Imagery: Deuteronomy 32:11-12, Psalm 91:4, Isaiah 31:5.
Israel’s Rebellion Against God’s Call: Nehemiah 9:26, 2 Chronicles 36:15-16, Acts 7:51-52.
Jesus' Knowledge of Future Events: Luke 19:41-44, Matthew 24:2, Luke 21:24.
God’s Desire for Repentance: Ezekiel 18:23, Ezekiel 33:11, 2 Peter 3:9.
Jesus’ Foreknowledge and Deity: John 2:24-25, John 6:64, John 13:19.

This passage, therefore, does not teach that Jesus was speaking from limited knowledge, but rather that He was both appealing to Israel and declaring judgment upon them.


1) "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem," (lerousalem Ierousalem) "O Jerusalem! O Jerusalem!" This exclamatory repetition of the name of the city of peace reflects an intense degree of love and mingled grief flowing from the heart of Jesus for a rejecting people, Joh_1:11-12.

2) "Thou that killest the prophets," (he apokteinousa tous prophetes) "And who is killing them yet," with malice and seething hate, for the holy one and His New Covenant church fellowship of disciples.

3) "And stonest them that are sent unto thee," (kai lithobolousa tous apestalmenous pros auten) "And stoning the ones who are mandated (sent or commissioned) to her," Act_7:51-53.

4) "How often would I have gathered thy children together," (posakis ethelesa episunagagein ta tekna sou) "How frequently I willed (affectionately or earnestly) to gather or assemble your children in one company," to follow me, Mat_11:28-30; Joh_6:37; Psa_91:4-5.

5) "Even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings," (on tropon ornis episunagei ta nossia (autes) hupo tas pterugas) "As a bird (or foul) gathers her young ones under her wings," for protection from rain, storm, and predators, and for comfort, Deu_32:11-12; Psa_17:8.

6) "And ye would not!" (kai ouk ethelesate) "And you all would not," did not will to do it, being instead proud, self-righteous, self-reliant and sinfully rebellious. They would not, though they could have, Pro_1:24; Isa_30:15; Jer_6:16-17.

Johann.

 

[Red Baker]

Jesus' Knowledge of Future Events: Luke 19:41-44, Matthew 24:2, Luke 21:24.

Yes, as God he had a perfect understanding of all things, as man he did not, even though he understood so much more than all, still limited as far as his humanity goes.

Mark 13:32​

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

And how do you know that?

Believe you me i know i was born again and even the day and the hour .
I had heard the gospel years and years earlier
but had not yet truly sumitted . may thirtieth of two thousand and six that all changed .
Months later as i was continually reading the bible i decided to go and get water baptized .
But i was born again from day one of my new birth .

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, as God he had a perfect understanding of all things, as man he did not, even though he understood so much more than all, still limited as far as his humanity goes.

Mark 13:32​

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

As a man could Jesus had gathered gathers all the children of Jerusalem under His wing?

Your conclusion doesn't match the circumstances.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

And how do you know that?

dont go beleiving what the CC tries to say my friend .
Now believe you me , I know we SHOULD get water baptized . but that does not create the new birth my friend .
Just in case you might be believing that . Just in case . had to give a friendly reminder .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

As a man could Jesus had gathered gathers all the children of Jerusalem under His wing?

Your conclusion doesn't match the circumstances.

The sheep heed the voice of the great shepard of the sheep and a stranger they will not heed or follow .
YOU are correct my friend . HOW OFTEN I WOULD have gathered you
And if we looks in the holy torah , the prophets and the scrips
WE SEES GOD ALL MIGHTY calling out to the peoples and yet MANY would not
and even AS THE MIGHTY CHRIST walked the earth
And came even unto HIS OWN , many recieved him not .
He had made the world and came into the world ..........................................
WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE MY FRIEND . cause the bible i read
SAID GOD SPOKE and it was ....................GOD IS HIS WORD indeed . HE is His Spirit indeed .
Now TO THE TRENCHES one and all for we be in THE LAST HOURS of earth
and many be rejecting GOD all mighty himself . If a man rejects Christ , THEY HAVE REJECTED GOD . another fact
ME THINKS this generation NO LONGER even beleives . Much wailing will be heard ON HIS DAY .

 

[Jim]

By faith of course, which is the only Biblical sign that anyone is born again.

No, that is not correct. But I won't bother to argue that with you.

 

[Jim]

I have always consider this as Christ here speaking as a man, and the minister of the circumcision, and expresses an human affection for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and an human desire, for men to come to the truth. He is speaking in his limited knowledge that he possessed in his humanity!

Instances of the human affection, and will of Christ, may be observed in Mark 10:21 which will of his, though not contrary to the divine will, but subordinate to it, yet not always the same with it, nor always fulfilled: whereas his divine will, or his will as God, is, always fulfilled: "who hath resisted his will?" this cannot be hindered, and made void; he does whatsoever he pleases: and further, that this will of Christ to gather the Jews to himself, is to be understood of his human, and not divine will, is manifest from hence, that this will was in him, and expressed by him at certain several times, by intervals; and therefore he says, "how often would I have gathered," etc. whereas the divine will is one continued, invariable, and unchangeable will, is always the same, and never begins or ceases to be, and to which such an expression is inapplicable; and therefore these words do not contradict the absolute and sovereign will of God, in the distinguishing acts of it, respecting the choice of some persons, and the leaving of others. And it is to be observed, that the persons whom Christ would have gathered, are not represented as being unwilling to be gathered; but their rulers were not willing that they should, and be made proselytes to him, and come under his wings. It is not said, "how often would I have gathered you, and you would not!" nor, "I would have gathered Jerusalem, and she would not"; nor, "I would have gathered thy children, and they would not"; but, "how often would I have gathered thy children, and ye would not!" Which observation alone is sufficient to destroy the argument founded on this passage in favor of free will. The bottom line is that they would, because of their fallen nature which was at enmity against God, thereby, their could not, unless their nature was changed.

Romans 9:16​

“So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.”

You guess wrong, try studying the scriptures and seeking your truth from God's word, not from guessing.

In post # 600 you spoke of "A classic example of eisegesis of God's word. You are interpreting John 1:12,13 by inserting your own corrupt ideas, biases, agendas...simple put, you are doing what the old divines called ~ reading into the text what you wish was there, hoping others would accept your lies."

In this post, post 601, you gave us a perfect example of that.

 

[Jim]

John 1:13 is a commentary on John 1:12. in light of what had been said in John 1:10,11.

You are correct. verse 13 is a commentary on verse 12. It tells us who were born of God. They were those who received Him, those who believe on His name. They are the ones He gave power to become sons of God, the power to become born of God.

 

[Red Baker]

The sheep heed the voice of the great shepard of the sheep and a stranger they will not heed or follow .

A strong delusion is a powerful curse of Almighty God upon those who reject his word, even as they quote it in their mouth!

John 10:25-27​

“Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE MY FRIEND

It sounds like He gave eternal life to as many (no more, no less) as God gave him to give eternal life to! And, to those he gave eternal life to, they heard his voice (called) and came. See Matthew 16:17.

John 17:2​

“As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.”

As a man could Jesus had gathered gathers all the children of Jerusalem under His wing?

Why did he not do so? John 17:2! He was sent to do the will of his Father, not his will as a man.

Matthew 26:39​

“And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

 

[Jim]

A strong delusion is a powerful curse of Almighty God upon those who reject his word, even as they quote it in their mouth!

To reject his word is a free-will choice.

 

[Red Baker]

Believe you me i know i was born again and even the day and the hour .

Maybe your conversion, but the new birth, impossible! I'll shortly make a post on:

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

I had heard the gospel years and years earlier

Okay, so what?

but had not yet truly sumitted . may thirtieth of two thousand and six that all changed .

Sound like a conversion, which is not the new birth. But, only God knows if indeed a person is converted to the truth, at best we can only be persuaded. 2nd Timothy 1:5, etc.

Regeneration and Conversion - Roland

Regeneration and Conversion Regeneration and conversion are Bible words. Both words identify a spiritual work in the child of God. However, they do not refer to the same thing. Regeneration Regeneration is wholly of God. It is the Holy Spirit’s quickening work whereby spiritual life is given to...

letgodbetrue.com

This saint is in his nineties and is still living, I saw him recently.

Months later as i was continually reading the bible i decided to go and get water baptized .

I see no problem with that happening, even though one should do so ASAP, per Acts 10:47,48

But i was born again from day one of my new birth .

Whenever that was ~ it could have happen while you were dead asleep, working at your vocation, even making love to your spouse, since all things are open unto the eyes of the Lord, and he does not need us in a certain state of mind, since we are dead in trespasses and sins! His Spirit comes and quicken one to life and then leaves, we neither know when he comes, nor do we know when he leave, impossible. We only see the evidence that he has indeed come, which is faith and a desire to change our life of living in sins and serving it lust would be the strongest evidence that he quicken us to life by his mighty power and we should immediately give him an answer of the good conscience that now dwells within us which is to arise and be baptized and commit the rest of our life serving and following him.

 

[Red Baker]

To reject his word is a free-will choice.

Jim, I do not disagree that men make choices according to the nature they have. But, a person not regenerate (still in the flesh) cannot make a choice toward doing the will of God, impossible.

Romans 8:8​

“So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

 

[Marvelloustime]

The sheep heed the voice of the great shepard of the sheep and a stranger they will not heed or follow .
YOU are correct my friend . HOW OFTEN I WOULD have gathered you
And if we looks in the holy torah , the prophets and the scrips
WE SEES GOD ALL MIGHTY calling out to the peoples and yet MANY would not
and even AS THE MIGHTY CHRIST walked the earth
And came even unto HIS OWN , many recieved him not .
He had made the world and came into the world ..........................................
WHO DOES THAT SOUND LIKE MY FRIEND . cause the bible i read
SAID GOD SPOKE and it was ....................GOD IS HIS WORD indeed . HE is His Spirit indeed .
Now TO THE TRENCHES one and all for we be in THE LAST HOURS of earth
and many be rejecting GOD all mighty himself . If a man rejects Christ , THEY HAVE REJECTED GOD . another fact
ME THINKS this generation NO LONGER even beleives . Much wailing will be heard ON HIS DAY .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes indeed . The sinner NEEDS to Believe on JESUS the CHRIST .
Now , while it is true that many often simply lip the name
but not in heart , proving they are not born again .
The problem is that many often came to another jesus that was preached of men
and not THE JESUS that GOD HIMSELF testified of ..............
due to the ever changing and ever wordly expanding views of what men taught them is Jesus .
Who soever Beleives that JESUS is the CHRIST is born of God . As i am sure you agree my friend .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Maybe your conversion, but the new birth, impossible! I'll shortly make a post on:

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

Okay, so what?

Sound like a conversion, which is not the new birth. But, only God knows if indeed a person is converted to the truth, at best we can only be persuaded. 2nd Timothy 1:5, etc.

Regeneration and Conversion - Roland

Regeneration and Conversion Regeneration and conversion are Bible words. Both words identify a spiritual work in the child of God. However, they do not refer to the same thing. Regeneration Regeneration is wholly of God. It is the Holy Spirit’s quickening work whereby spiritual life is given to...

letgodbetrue.com

This saint is in his nineties and is still living, I saw him recently.

I see no problem with that happening, even though one should do so ASAP, per Acts 10:47,48

Whenever that was ~ it could have happen while you were dead asleep, working at your vocation, even making love to your spouse, since all things are open unto the eyes of the Lord, and he does not need us in a certain state of mind, since we are dead in trespasses and sins! His Spirit comes and quicken one to life and then leaves, we neither know when he comes, nor do we know when he leave, impossible. We only see the evidence that he has indeed come, which is faith and a desire to change our life of living in sins and serving it lust would be the strongest evidence that he quicken us to life by his mighty power and we should immediately give him an answer of the good conscience that now dwells within us which is to arise and be baptized and commit the rest of our life serving and following him.

your inventing things my friend .

 

[Marvelloustime]

your inventing things my friend .

Brother @TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY is spotted!

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Jim, I do not disagree that men make choices according to the nature they have. But, a person not regenerate (still in the flesh) cannot make a choice toward doing the will of God, impossible.

Romans 8:8​

“So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

So the key is we ought to be preaching the True gospel to these lost souls .
yet many be running to inclusive interfaith . Where the leaders LIE to the lost souls of all false religoins
and tell them all we serving the same God . And yet all them other religoins serve NOT GOD .
In fact they believe NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON and thus they call HIM a liar .
Dont you find it so odd that many had rather believe a lie that allows them poor souls to drown in periditoin .
Many run to inclusive diversity believing it to be the LOVE of GOD when in truth its a sin accepting and non correcting
LIE that has led this people right into a delusion .

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

A strong delusion is a powerful curse of Almighty God upon those who reject his word, even as they quote it in their mouth!

John 10:25-27​

“Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

It sounds like He gave eternal life to as many (no more, no less) as God gave him to give eternal life to! And, to those he gave eternal life to, they heard his voice (called) and came. See Matthew 16:17.

John 17:2​

“As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.”

Why did he not do so? John 17:2! He was sent to do the will of his Father, not his will as a man.

Matthew 26:39​

“And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Yes that is a strong delusion , SO WHY are men heeding the inclusive diversity intefaith call .
Everyone running right to a lie my friend .
The lie that says by the leaders of this interafaith interreligious dialgogue finding common ground
that all religoins are serving the Same GOD . OH ITS A LIE my friend . its a gospel of anti christ
and yet folks thinks and believes this is the way to attain world peace in safety . Oh we got us a delusion all rigiht .