The Power of the Gospel
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Here is a fact for you. No one calls Christ Lord but by the Spirit
civic
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Yes indeed now reconcile the demons and unbelievers in hell that confess He is Lord.
One is obviously salvific and the other is simply a statement of fact.
Not the topic of this thread.
civic
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another dodge
Believe
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How does this one fit in?
Matthew 7:21: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
In 1 Corinthians 12:3. There it says that “nobody can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in the Holy Spirit.” And the phrase is Kurios, Iesus. Kurios is Lord. Iesus is Jesus. And my guess is that in the context of Corinth at that time, this phrase (as opposed to Kurios Kaiseros — Caesar is Lord) would have carried such radical danger. In other words, this is treason. This is treason. You are going to stand up and say in public, “Kurios Iesus,” and have every eye turn to you and say, “You are dead. You are going to get your head chopped off for talking like that.”
My guess is that this phrase carried in itself, in that context, such loaded dangers and risks that only the sincere would say it. So when Paul said, “Nobody can say it except by the Spirit,” he meant nobody can say it and really feel it, mean it, be willing to risk your life because of it.
Can I Confess the Name of Jesus and Be Unsaved?
If no one can say that Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit, then why are there people who say, “Lord, Lord,” whom Christ denies ever knowing?
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brightfame52
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As stated the subjective darkness of the unregenerate comprehends not the light of the Gospel, of spiritual truth
brightfame52
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The Gospel is the Power of God unto the regenerated elect, not to the unregenerate. Gospel Truth is light, objective light, and the Gospel truths of the person and Work of Christ are. Spiritual.
But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :
to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:
to lay hold of
- to lay hold of so as to make one's own, to obtain, attain to, to make one's own, to take into one's self, appropriate
- to seize upon, take possession of
- to lay hold of with the mind
- to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend
This corresponds with Pauls teaching in 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
See by nature we are subjective darkness in our unregenerate state Eph 5:8
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
Looks like you have answered your question.How does this one fit in?
Matthew 7:21: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
In 1 Corinthians 12:3. There it says that “nobody can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in the Holy Spirit.” And the phrase is Kurios, Iesus. Kurios is Lord. Iesus is Jesus. And my guess is that in the context of Corinth at that time, this phrase (as opposed to Kurios Kaiseros — Caesar is Lord) would have carried such radical danger. In other words, this is treason. This is treason. You are going to stand up and say in public, “Kurios Iesus,” and have every eye turn to you and say, “You are dead. You are going to get your head chopped off for talking like that.”
My guess is that this phrase carried in itself, in that context, such loaded dangers and risks that only the sincere would say it. So when Paul said, “Nobody can say it except by the Spirit,” he meant nobody can say it and really feel it, mean it, be willing to risk your life because of it.
Can I Confess the Name of Jesus and Be Unsaved?
If no one can say that Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit, then why are there people who say, “Lord, Lord,” whom Christ denies ever knowing?
civic
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It doesn’t fit his narrativeHow does this one fit in?
Matthew 7:21: “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
In 1 Corinthians 12:3. There it says that “nobody can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except in the Holy Spirit.” And the phrase is Kurios, Iesus. Kurios is Lord. Iesus is Jesus. And my guess is that in the context of Corinth at that time, this phrase (as opposed to Kurios Kaiseros — Caesar is Lord) would have carried such radical danger. In other words, this is treason. This is treason. You are going to stand up and say in public, “Kurios Iesus,” and have every eye turn to you and say, “You are dead. You are going to get your head chopped off for talking like that.”
My guess is that this phrase carried in itself, in that context, such loaded dangers and risks that only the sincere would say it. So when Paul said, “Nobody can say it except by the Spirit,” he meant nobody can say it and really feel it, mean it, be willing to risk your life because of it.
Can I Confess the Name of Jesus and Be Unsaved?
If no one can say that Jesus is Lord except in the Holy Spirit, then why are there people who say, “Lord, Lord,” whom Christ denies ever knowing?
The Rogue Tomato
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The Gospel is not a magic incantation that produces a magical transformation in the person who hears it. That's not what "it is the power of God" means.
I am not ashamed of the good news of the Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to every one who is believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek.
In other words, the events described in the Gospel are the power, and they are applied to everyone who is believing (those who are saved). Just like in John 3:16, Romans 1:16 it is not an invitation. It is an identifying state of those who are saved.
I am not ashamed of the good news of the Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to every one who is believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek.
In other words, the events described in the Gospel are the power, and they are applied to everyone who is believing (those who are saved). Just like in John 3:16, Romans 1:16 it is not an invitation. It is an identifying state of those who are saved.
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koberstein
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I'm a Calminian.
civic
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Sorry read Jesus teaching on the parable of the sower. The seed gives life which is the gospel, the power of God in salvation
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The Rogue Tomato
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The parable of the sower isn't about the power of the Gospel, it is about the state of the soil. Only on good soil does it take root and produce good fruit. God makes the difference between good soil and bad soil.
Only ONE responded in a biblical manner-yielding fruit. I would reference this with the parable of the ten virgins.
civic
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Nope they were all living- alive in the beginning read it again
The Rogue Tomato
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Only the good soil produced one who is believing.Nope they were all living- alive in the beginning read it again
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