I'm not ashamed of the gospel

[brightfame52]

LOL is right. The fact is I'm not looking at the book of Romans from a calvinistic or an Armenian point of view. I know who Paul wrote the book for and why he wrote the book had nothing to do with tulip.

I disagree, all the Points of TULIP are displayed in Romans, Total Depravity of man Rom 3 Unconditional Election of Grace Rom 9,11 Limited Particular Atonement Rom 5 Irresistible Grace Rom 5, and Preservation of the called Rom 8

 

[Aeliana]

I disagree, all the Points of TULIP are displayed in Romans, Total Depravity of man Rom 3 Unconditional Election of Grace Rom 9,11 Limited Particular Atonement Rom 5 Irresistible Grace Rom 5, and Preservation of the called Rom 8

I agree, one can see all the points of Calvinism if you're wearing TULIP Tinted Spectacles. On the other hand if your rightly dividing the word of truth You can plainly see what Paul's talking about. It's important not to come at the Word of God with preconceived man-made doctrines.

 

[brightfame52]

I agree, one can see all the points of Calvinism if you're wearing TULIP Tinted Spectacles. On the other hand if your rightly dividing the word of truth You can plainly see what Paul's talking about. It's important not to come at the Word of God with preconceived man-made doctrines.

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TULIP Truths are the Gospel, the Book of Romans sets them forth in the Gospel of God Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Id be careful designating them man made

 

[civic]

Havent you seen the verses used for TULIP Truths ?

I know every single one of them , I taught is for decades. I have them memorized

And I know what Calvin and most reformed and recognized expert theologians teach on the topic. I still have all their books and systematic theologies in my library

 

[Aeliana]

TULIP Truths are the Gospel, the Book of Romans sets them forth in the Gospel of God Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Id be careful designating them man made

TULIP Truths are the Gospel, the Book of Romans sets them forth in the Gospel of God Rom 1:1

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Id be careful designating them man made

There's no reason to be careful when one does not accept the false gospel taught in Calvinism. Christianity was what Paul taught. Calvinism wasn't invented till 1150. So the correct way would be to say tulip Incorrectly interprets The Bible.

Fortunately the majority of people aren't Hoodwinked into believing Tulip.

 

[brightfame52]

I know every single one of them , I taught is for decades. I have them memorized

And I know what Calvin and most reformed and recognized expert theologians teach on the topic. I still have all their books and systematic theologies in my library

Okay, thats the Gospel I see in scripture, TULIP

 

[brightfame52]

There's no reason to be careful when one does not accept the false gospel taught in Calvinism. Christianity was what Paul taught. Calvinism wasn't invented till 1150. So the correct way would be to say tulip Incorrectly interprets The Bible.

Fortunately the majority of people aren't Hoodwinked into believing Tulip.

You calling the Gospel False, TULIP

 

[civic]

Okay, thats the Gospel I see in scripture, TULIP

Calvinists are divided on this for sure, some think it’s the gospel while others do not. There is no unison on this topic.

 

[Rockson]

Calvinists are divided on this for sure, some think it’s the gospel while others do not. There is no unison on this topic.

I'd define it as a religious system that actually neutralizes a person from hearing the gospel and actually knowing and appreciating that they need to carry out vital instructions.....and that is to choose to believe and receive God's grace. Many of them believe preaching is merely telling Christians what God has worked in them. It therefore holds one hold in a place of limbo and we know the one who would have to be responsible for that.

 

[Aeliana]

You calling the Gospel False, TULIP

No one's calling the gospel false. We are warned in the Bible of doctrines of demons that will come into the church in the end times. It's my belief that Calvinism and its acronym fall under that category.

The Bible is clear that the truth is what sets us free as Shown in John 8:32 — and that includes any bondage that comes attached to a false idea of who God is and what His character truly is. Which Calvinism clearly does. It portrays God has been unloving.

For instance Calvinism Insist that only the elect have the ability to come to Christ when the Bible clearly tells us that Jesus ascending into heaven is what will draw all men to Him John 12:32

This is explained in Calvinism that all doesn't mean all, all only means the elect. That would fit under a Doctrine of demons because anyone with any common sense knows that it makes no sense. It's clearly a misconception.

 

[Aeliana]

I'd define it as a religious system that actually neutralizes a person from hearing the gospel and actually knowing and appreciating that they need to carry out vital instructions.....and that is to choose to believe and receive God's grace. Many of them believe preaching is merely telling Christians what God has worked in them. It therefore holds one hold in a place of limbo and we know the one who would have to be responsible for that.

Yup we know, but he's a defeated foe.

The good news of the gospel is that through faith we are given grace and forgiven of our sins due to what Jesus did for us by dying on the cross and coming back to life. Putting your faith in something is as much a choice as any of theother choices that you’ve made in life — yet Calvinism denies that Christians have that ability.

Yet the Bible clearly teaches that we can make a choice. The options are to choose life or death. Deuteronomy 30:15–20, John 3:16–18

It amazes me how some can deny what the Bible clearly states in an effort to defend their man-made theology,

 

[brightfame52]

No one's calling the gospel false. We are warned in the Bible of doctrines of demons that will come into the church in the end times. It's my belief that Calvinism and its acronym fall under that category.

The Bible is clear that the truth is what sets us free as Shown in John 8:32 — and that includes any bondage that comes attached to a false idea of who God is and what His character truly is. Which Calvinism clearly does. It portrays God has been unloving.

For instance Calvinism Insist that only the elect have the ability to come to Christ when the Bible clearly tells us that Jesus ascending into heaven is what will draw all men to Him John 12:32

This is explained in Calvinism that all doesn't mean all, all only means the elect. That would fit under a Doctrine of demons because anyone with any common sense knows that it makes no sense. It's clearly a misconception.

Thats how I see it, TULIP is the Gospel and you call TULIP Doctrines False

 

[Hosanna]

Thats how I see it, TULIP is the Gospel and you call TULIP Doctrines False

Sometimes people are deceived. I understand that when you're deceived it's hard to tell because... you're deceived.

 

[Aeliana]

Thats how I see it, TULIP is the Gospel and you call TULIP Doctrines False

I know that's how you see it. It has to be the TULIP Tinted Spectacles. I know that the tulip Doctrine is false and that it's not the gospel. The Bible makes that clear. It doesn't portray God for who he really is it portrays a false god who is unloving.

 

[brightfame52]

Sometimes people are deceived. I understand that when you're deceived it's hard to tell because... you're deceived.

I believe people who dont believe TULIP Truths are Gospel Truths are deceived. I see those Teachings all in scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

I know that's how you see it. It has to be the TULIP Tinted Spectacles. I know that the tulip Doctrine is false and that it's not the gospel. The Bible makes that clear. It doesn't portray God for who he really is it portrays a false god who is unloving.

Aint no sense going back and forth, you see Tulip Doctrines as false, I see them as the Gospel

 

[Cyrus]

I think the worst part of Calvinism is the concept of unconditional election. This is the idea that we cannot do anything to be saved since God is so sovereign that if it was predestined to happen it will happen. And yet the Bible teaches something completely different.

The Bible is abundantly clear on how a person can be saved. The Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”. Paul and Silas responded, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” Acts 16:31

The Calvinist salvation mindset is not only opposite of scripture, but it is exactly how Satan can minimize the impact of ministry in the last days.

We are told in the Bible that it is not possible to please God without having faith. And faith comes by believing that Jesus can and will save you if you put your trust in him.

Having faith is a choice and that those without faith in what Jesus has done on the cross are in trouble when it comes to eternity.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18

Knowing that the outcome of our eternal position is determined by our faith — or lack thereof — we can come to the conclusion rather quickly that Salvation (being conformed to the image of Jesus) is conditional on the basis of faith.

 

[Aeliana]

Aint no sense going back and forth, you see Tulip Doctrines as false, I see them as the Gospel

Exactly, that's because I have 20/20 vision and have absolutely no need of TULIP Tinted Spectacles.

 

[Hosanna]

I believe people who dont believe TULIP Truths are Gospel Truths are deceived. I see those Teachings all in scripture.

Calvinism is a Full-blown deception. That's what I said... when someone is deceived they don't know it. But there will come a day.

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism is a Full-blown deception. That's what I said... when someone is deceived they don't know it. But there will come a day.

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