I'm not ashamed of the gospel

[brightfame52]

@Johann

Calvinism is another gospel!

You calling the Gospel another gospel, goes to show you Isa 5:20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Ahar]

‘The first public message that Jesus heralded in public was “repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:15). This was a command to men. Jesus didn’t say that God would repent and believe for them. Jesus didn’t say, wait for God to give you the ability to repent and believe. Jesus commanded them to simply repent and believe immediately. He preached in such a way that we can logically conclude that he assumed that they were capable of doing this.

Jesus said in Matt. 9:13 that he came to call sinners to repentance. This implies that repentance is a sinner’s choice. If repentance was not their choice, calling them to repent would make no sense. Repentance is not merely feeling bad, since we do not have direct control over what feelings we have. But repentance is the choice of the will to stop sinning, since we do have direct control over our choices. Sin is man’s choice; and therefore, repentance from sin is man’s choice.

 

[Ahar]

@Johann



You calling the Gospel another gospel, goes to show you Isa 5:20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

I'm calling John Calvin's man made theology another gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

I'm calling John Calvin's man made theology another gospel.

You think it like that, however you calling the Gospel another gospel

 

[Ahar]

You think it like that, however you calling the Gospel another gospel

Calvinism preaches a "different gospel".

The apostle Paul described a "different gospel" and its consequences, like so:

I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Practically and doctrinally there can be no long-term fellowship over this matter, because Calvinism advocates a different God and Jesus (selfish, egotistical, and unjust), and because it advocates a different hope, calling, and baptism (not for remission of sins, see Acts 2:37-38; Romans 6:1-6). Christian unity requires agreement upon at least the 7 "one's":

I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. (Ephesians 4:1-6)

 

[civic]

@Johann



You calling the Gospel another gospel, goes to show you Isa 5:20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

the gospel is simple - Jesus lived, died for our sins according to the scriptures, was raised from the dead on the 3rd day, was seen over 40 days by many witnesses, last of all was seen by Paul and He ascended into heaven bodily-the same body that was in the grave with the scars from the crucifixion was brought back to life and is now immortal, incorruptible and glorified.

One must believe the above to be saved as per Paul in 1 Cor 15:1-17.

Gospel Truth 101. Nothing about tulip in the above.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

the gospel is simple - Jesus lived, died for our sins according to the scriptures, was raised from the dead on the 3rd day, was seen over 40 days by many witnesses, last of all was seen by Paul and He ascended into heaven bodily-the same body that was in the grave with the scars from the crucifixion was brought back to life and is now immortal, incorruptible and glorified.

One must believe the above to be saved as per Paul in 1 Cor 15:1-17.

Gospel Truth 101. Nothing about tulip in the above.

hope this helps !!!

The Gospel consist of the Doctrines of Grace !

 

[civic]

The Gospel consist of the Doctrines of Grace !

nope

 

[brightfame52]

nope

Oh yes, I have a thread here going into detail.

 

[Taylor]

The entire Bible centers on a single, surprisingly simple theme: God loves you so much that He made a way to be forgiven for every sin, so you can spend eternity with Him. That’s the essence of the gospel, and the central subject of the Scriptures. The written Word of God is intended to help us understand this “good news.”

By studying the Bible, we learn that each person needs to be saved (Romans 3:23), each person can be saved (Romans 1:16), and God wants each person to be saved (2 Peter 3:9).

Enduring Word Commentary

 

[brightfame52]

The Gospel is about the Lord Jesus Christ but not at the expense of all the other grace doctrines which have made such a thing as the salvation of sinful people possible. You cannot dissociate Christ from the Godhead, you cannot segregate the doctrine of Christ from the other doctrines of the Gospel of the grace of God. Christ is most assuredly in the Gospel, in fact the doctrine of the Person and Work of Christ is the centrepiece of God’s salvation plan, it is the central tenet of the Gospel, no one can be saved without Christ, but the Gospel is not something which deals only with what was done by grace through Christ but what was done by grace through the Person and Work of the Father and the Holy Spirit also. The Person and Work of Christ justifies, the Father has elected those people Christ justifies and the Holy Spirit awakens or quickens those people the Father has elected and the Son justifies. The plan is complete. It is not to be restricted to One Member of the Trinity because it can only be the complete plan of salvation by grace, and therefore the Gospel of salvation by grace, when the whole Work of the whole Trinity is preached and believed. The word of God says that He "...hath saved us, and called us...not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace..." (2 Tim. 1:9). Election was due to God’s purpose and grace, and, so too, is every other part of salvation. Christ’s work, His atonement and imputation of righteousness, was all due to the purpose and grace of God, as was the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. No part of salvation could have occurred without the grace of God

https://www.godsonlygospel.com/the-doctrines-of-the-gospel-part-1 paragraph 7

 

[civic]

https://www.godsonlygospel.com/the-doctrines-of-the-gospel-part-1 paragraph 7

That’s not the gospel of Christ but the fake gospel created by man. Paul condemned such a gospel in Galatians 1.

 

[brightfame52]

That’s not the gospel of Christ but the fake gospel created by man. Paul condemned such a gospel in Galatians 1.

Wow you saying that about Grace Salvation friend. May God be merciful to you

 

[101G]

There’s just something about the Book of Romans that has often been the spark that gets my fire going.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile” (Romans 1:16).

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Paul is not ashamed of the gospel. He has reached the intelligent conclusion that the gospel has no rivals, that it can do what nothing else can do, and therefore there is no need to be ashamed because it is pure, undiluted, undiminished power! And not merely power, but God's power, resurrection power, a unique kind of power which nothing in the world can rival. This is the missing note, above all else, that we lack in our present life in the world today. Christians have forgotten that the gospel is absolutely unique. It does not borrow anything from any human source — it does not borrow from psychology, from history, from philosophy, from science, or from anything. It is an absolutely unique force. That is why Paul is not ashamed of it.

I am Not Ashamed of the Gospel - Verse Meaning Explained

Can you boldly say you're 'not ashamed of the Gospel?' Why are we not ashamed of the Gospel? Another question that comes to mind is should we be ashamed of the Gospel?

www.biblestudytools.com

not having read all the posts. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

101G

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for our sins !

1 Cor 15:3

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

The Gospel is not ‘Christ died for sins.’ It is not ‘Christ died for you.’ Nowhere does any prophet or apostle say indiscriminately, ‘Christ loves you,’ ‘God loves you,’ or ‘Christ died for you’ to a general audience. The Gospel is never ‘Christ died for your sins,’ but it entails exactly "...how that Christ died for OUR sins according to the Scriptures" (1 Cor. 15:3). WHOEVER IS INCLUDED IN THE ‘OUR’, ALONG WITH PAUL, MUST BE DEFINED BY THE OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES OR IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL. Then, in order to have the true Gospel, (1) Christ, (2) died, (3) our and (4) sins must all be defined according to the Old Testament Scriptures https://www.godsonlygospel.com/the-doctrines-of-the-gospel-part-2

One of the OT scriptures that clearly defines who Christ died for is Isa 53:6-8

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

When Philip witnessed to gentile ethiopian , scripture was Acts 8:27-35

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

Now we know Philip read to him sa 53:8

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken

So who is " for the transgressions of my people he was stricken"

Is this limited atonement ? Particular atonement ?

One commentator on Isa 53:8

Then Christ was taken from Pilate’s judgment hall to be handed over to the Roman soldiers to be crucified. He was crucified at 9:00 AM and gave up the ghost at 3:00 PM. Then the verse teaches us that Christ was crucified for the transgression or sins of the people of God. Here is where the people went from sinner to Saint. The term “my people” denotes a certain group of people whom Christ died for and that was for the chosen body of believers. Christ’s death was not random in that someone has to accept it to be saved but was completed on Calvary for the sins of his Elect. If Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary was random, then it would not be complete until someone “accepts him” and then the sacrifice of Christ would be complete. In other words in the theology of some, Christ’s sacrifice is an open ended sacrifice where completion is determined by sinful man but the Scriptures in no place ever teach such heresy. https://www.scionofzion.com/isaiah_53_1_12.html

Barnes writes

For the transgression of my people - The meaning of this is not materially different from 'on account of our sins.' 'The speaker here - Isaiah - does not place himself in opposition to the people, but includes himself among them, and speaks of them as his people, that is, those with whom he was connected' - (Hengstenberg). Others, however, suppose that Yahweh is here introduced as speaking, and that he says that the Messiah was to be cut off for the sins of his people.

JFB

my people—Isaiah, including himself among them by the word "my" [Hengstenberg]. Rather, Jehovah speaks in the person of His prophet, "My people," by the election of grace (Heb 2:13).

M.Poole

For the transgression of my people was he stricken: this is repeated again, as it was fit it should be, to prevent men’s mistakes about and stumbling at the death of Christ, and to assure them that Christ did not die for his own sins, but only for the sins and salvation of his people.

John Gill

for the transgression of my people was he stricken; that is, either through the malice and wickedness of the people of the Jews, whom the prophet calls his people, he was stricken, not only with the scourges of the whip, but with death itself, as the efficient cause thereof; or rather because of the transgressions of God's elect, in order to make satisfaction for them, he was stricken by divine justice, and put to death, as the meritorious cause thereof; and so they are the words of God the Father; and this, with the preceding clause, give a reason, showing both why he was taken from the prison of the grave, acquitted, and exalted, and why the wickedness of his age could not be declared; he being stricken and cut off in such a manner, when he was an innocent person; and since it was only for the transgressions of others, even of God's covenant people, the people he chose, and gave to Christ, Matthew 1:21.

So Paul Gospel he preached according to the scripture was a limited effectual atonement.

 

[civic]

Wow you saying that about Grace Salvation friend. May God be merciful to you

No tulip is not the gospel and faith in tulip cannot save anyone from their sins. Tulip is not Jesus. He is the Way the Truth and the Life- not tulip

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

No tulip is not the gospel and faith in tulip cannot save anyone from their sins. Tulip is not Jesus. He is the Way the Truth and the Life- not tulip

hope this helps !!!

Yes limited atonement is part of the Gospel of Gods Grace, as well as the rest of TULIP Doctrines

 

[civic]

Yes limited atonement is part of the Gospel of Gods Grace, as well as the rest of TULIP Doctrines

no its not even close to the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

no its not even close to the gospel.

Yes limited atonement is part of the Gospel of Gods Grace, as well as the rest of TULIP Doctrines

 

[Muckah]

Limited atonement is a doctrine in search of a text.

No one can point to any text in Scripture that states clearly and unequivocally that Christ died for the sins of a limited number of people to the exclusion of others. Most Calvinists will admit this.

Alternatively, a dozen clear texts in the New Testament explicitly affirm Christ died for the sins of all people, and another half dozen plus that indirectly suggest it.