I'm not ashamed of the gospel

[civic]

Limited atonement is a doctrine in search of a text.

No one can point to any text in Scripture that states clearly and unequivocally that Christ died for the sins of a limited number of people to the exclusion of others. Most Calvinists will admit this.

Alternatively, a dozen clear texts in the New Testament explicitly affirm Christ died for the sins of all people, and another half dozen plus that indirectly suggest it.

Amen

 

[brightfame52]

Limited atonement is a doctrine in search of a text.

No one can point to any text in Scripture that states clearly and unequivocally that Christ died for the sins of a limited number of people to the exclusion of others. Most Calvinists will admit this.

Alternatively, a dozen clear texts in the New Testament explicitly affirm Christ died for the sins of all people, and another half dozen plus that indirectly suggest it.

All texts on Christ dying, automatically refer to the elect, and if you dont teach that in your witness, its a false gospel

 

[Muckah]

All texts on Christ dying, automatically refer to the elect, and if you dont teach that in your witness, its a false gospel

Do you have a bible verse for limited atonement?

Seems like you can make the Bible say anything you want it to mean. Grab a passage, don’t look at context, and interpret it how you want to. Cha-ching!

The truth is Christ died for the world to bring God's grace to all people.

 

[civic]

All texts on Christ dying, automatically refer to the elect, and if you dont teach that in your witness, its a false gospel

Projecting LA is a false gospel

 

[brightfame52]

The Gospel of God’s grace is all about God’s grace in salvation. It starts from election and ends with the glorification of all His chosen ones, to whom Christ has imputed His Righteousness and whom the Holy Spirit has made alive.

The Gospel is the Good News of the grace of God in doing everything to save His chosen people from their sins, therefore no one has any biblical right to keep any doctrine that teaches the grace of God in salvation out of the Gospel.https://www.godsonlygospel.com/the-doctrines-of-the-gospel-part-4

 

[brightfame52]

All the glory for salvation belongs solely to God, so what else could the Gospel be, what else could the whole of salvation be reliant upon, than that glorious grace of God!!

For this cause the Gospel is called the Glorious Gospel of God or Christ 1 Tim 1:11

According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Gods Glory as He stated is His Sovereignty in showing Mercy on some as He wills Ex 33:17-19

17 And the Lord said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
Paul used this in his teaching on sovereign election Rom 9:11-16

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

 

[brightfame52]

The Gospel, the Preaching of Christ is only effective unto Salvation/conversion to the Called whether jew or gentile 1 Cor 1:23-24

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews[in general] a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks[in general] foolishness;

24 But[contrast] unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Notice the but contrast to what is in general to the groups in Vs 23, we have a third group, the called. In the original the word called has the definite article, identifying "the called τοῖς κλητοῖς" and its to them Christ becomes experientially the Power of God and Wisdom of God.

 

[Burdock]

Projecting LA is a false gospel

Correct limited atonement is not biblical. It is not consistent with the love of God shown in Jesus Christ and expressed in the New Testament many times in many ways like in John 3:16

Limited atonement is another one of Calvinism’s Achilles’ heels. It cannot be supported by Scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

Correct limited atonement is not biblical. It is not consistent with the love of God shown in Jesus Christ and expressed in the New Testament many times in many ways like in John 3:16

Limited atonement is another one of Calvinism’s Achilles’ heels. It cannot be supported by Scripture.

Limited atonement is the Gospel, it shows that it[Christs Death] actually saved them He died for, but the opposers limit the atonement in a very Christ dishonoring way, they limit its saving efficacy, leaving it up to the will of man to make it effectual to save.

 

[Aeliana]

Limited atonement is the Gospel, it shows that it[Christs Death] actually saved them He died for, but the opposers limit the atonement in a very Christ dishonoring way, they limit its saving efficacy, leaving it up to the will of man to make it effectual to save.

Limited atonement is not the Gospel. Far from it. I will also argue that belief in limited atonement, or particular redemption, makes it impossible to make a well-meant offer of the gospel of salvation to anyone.

 

[brightfame52]

@Aeliana

Limited atonement is not the Gospel.

Yes it is, because it emphasizes the effectiveness of the atoning death, it saves. So either you limit its efficasiousness to save, or its purpose and intent.

Far from it. I will also argue that belief in limited atonement, or particular redemption, makes it impossible to make a well-meant offer of the gospel of salvation to anyone.

Its not an offer, its an declaration of an accomplished work to everyone , Im afraid you been deceived with that offer foolishness. May God be pleased to deliver you

 

[Ezra]

@Aeliana

Its not an offer, its an declaration of an accomplished work to everyone

" to everyone " but not for everyone. a Shameful False gospel.

But the issue at stake here is whether Christ died in this way for all people or only for some—the elect.

But the truth is for all who would believe. God the Father did just that when he offered God the Son — his only “son” — to be a sacrifice for sinners.

Luke 19:44And they will dash you down to the ground, you [Jerusalem] and your children within you; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, [all] because you did not come progressively to recognize and know and understand [from observation and experience] the time of your visitation [that is, when God was visiting you, the time in which God showed Himself gracious toward you and offered you salvation through Christ].



It is true that salvation is sincerely offered to all by the gospel. The most coherent position is that the gospel offer is universal because the provision is universal and all who hear may, in fact, receive the salvation offered.

 

[brightfame52]

@Ezra

to everyone " but not for everyone. a Shameful False gospel.

Its simple, the Gospel as a positive declaration of the Person and work of Christ is declared to everyone, but salvation isnt offered to anyone. Its a difference between declaring facts and offering something so if you take it its yours and if not, its not yours, you refused it.

But the issue at stake here is whether Christ died in this way for all people or only for some—the elect.

Well in declaring the facts of the person and work of Jesus Christ, its a fact that He died only for the elect, His Sheep or His Church

But the truth is for all who would believe. God the Father did just that when he offered God the Son — his only “son” — to be a sacrifice for sinners.

The ones He died for shall believe, thats part of the Gospel as well. There is no Gospel without being specific about what sinners Christ is made a sacrifice for, it was a general sacrifice for any sinner, that's a false gospel narrative. It was for a specific people He came to save Matt 1:21

It is true that salvation is sincerely offered to all by the gospel.

False, but it can peached, declared to all, but it specifies who its for Lk 1:77

To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins

The most coherent position is that the gospel offer is universal because the provision is universal and all who hear may, in fact, receive the salvation offered.

Salvation isnt offered, its given to Gods elect through Jesus Christ, but it is universal in scope because Gods chosen people is universal in scope and not confined to anyone nation.