I am considered a Pentecostal

[Fred]

I am considered Pentecostal because I speak in tongues as the Lord has gifted me.

I sometimes watch Son Life Broadcasting (Jimmy Swaggart).

 

[Truther]

God did it before their water baptism for the Gentiles.

By the way, Acts 10 is in the Bible.

I know...

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Fred???

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

 

[Fred]

I know...

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Fred???

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

They were given the Holy Spirit first, which shows they are saved. Then they were water baptized.
In terms of being "given" the Holy Spirit, 1 John 4:13 does not agree with your false teaching.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-water-baptism-of-1-corinthians-12-13.964/page-9#post-30675

 

[Truther]

They were given the Holy Spirit first, which shows they are saved. Then they were water baptized.
In terms of being "given" the Holy Spirit, 1 John 4:13 does not agree with your false teaching.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-water-baptism-of-1-corinthians-12-13.964/page-9#post-30675

Don’t you feel kind of strange that they were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and you are not? Does that feel kind of out of place?

 

[Fred]

Don’t you feel kind of strange that they were baptized

Nope.

 

[Truther]

Nope.

Yikes

 

[Aeliana]

Yikes

I've read that Oneness Pentecostals teach that the Spirit of Jesus existed from all eternity because he is God Himself. However, the humanity of Jesus did not exist before the Incarnation, except as a plan in the mind of God. Therefore we can say that the Spirit of Jesus preexisted the Incarnation, but we cannot say the Son preexisted the Incarnation in any substantial sense.

What do you think?

 

[Truther]

I've read that Oneness Pentecostals teach that the Spirit of Jesus existed from all eternity because he is God Himself. However, the humanity of Jesus did not exist before the Incarnation, except as a plan in the mind of God. Therefore we can say that the Spirit of Jesus preexisted the Incarnation, but we cannot say the Son preexisted the Incarnation in any substantial sense.

What do you think?

The Bible teaches that Jesus, the son of Mary and the son of God lived prior to the creation of the Earth. All things were created by for and through him. God did it through him. Even speaking to the Jews, he said the son of man( Mary), was on earth while he was in heaven. This means That Jesus, the son of Mary, was eternal, and in temporary time, simultaneously.
The fact is, God transcends time and has always known his human son long before he was born of his mother.

 

[civic]

The Bible teaches that Jesus, the son of Mary and the son of God lived prior to the creation of the Earth. All things were created by for and through him. God did it through him. Even speaking to the Jews, he said the son of man( Mary), was on earth while he was in heaven. This means That Jesus, the son of Mary, was eternal, and in temporary time, simultaneously.
The fact is, God transcends time and has always known his human son long before he was born of his mother.

Are you saying that Jesus was a man before He was born as a man 2000 years ago ?

 

[Truther]

Are you saying that Jesus was a man before He was born as a man 2000 years ago ?

Yes, he was even slain prior to the foundation of the world.

 

[civic]

Yes, he was even slain prior to the foundation of the world.

So Jesus was a man before the Incarnation?

So that makes the Trinity before there was a creation the following.

1- The Father who is Spirit
2- The Holy Spirit who is Spirit
3- The Son who is human and Spirit

Is that correct ?

 

[Truther]

So Jesus was a man before the Incarnation?

So that makes the Trinity before there was a creation the following.

1- The Father who is Spirit
2- The Holy Spirit who is Spirit
3- The Son who is human and Spirit

Is that correct ?

Jesus was not a man/God, but a man with a God.

 

[Truther]

Christendom has stripped Jesus of his inner dwelling God and made him to dwell in himself.

 

[Truther]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten self?

 

[civic]

Jesus was not a man/God, but a man with a God.

Jesus was a man before the creation in Genesis 1 ?

 

[Truther]

Jesus was a man before the creation in Genesis 1 ?

Yes...


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Truther]

That was not God slain from the foundation of the world, but a man.

 

[civic]

Yes...


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

So you are not a Trinitarian correct ?

 

[Truther]

All things were created by, for and through Jesus, by God.

He was even born before any living thing reproduced.

 

[Truther]

So you are not a Trinitarian correct ?

Correct.