I am considered a Pentecostal
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civic
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What do you call yourself. A binitarian ,unitarian or oneness ?
Truther
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"1st century oneness". Not modern oneness.
civic
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Since in your beliefs Jesus is not God how can He exist before creation in Genesis 1 since man is a creation and you said he was a man before creation ?
You don't see that as a contradiction ?
Truther
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This is how Jesus and his God are one....
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Truther
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He is indeed God, via this event after his resurrection...
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
civic
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so a man can became god ?
Truther
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No, made God.
Via, this...
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
...which Christendom rejects en masse.
Truther
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You may never thought of this....
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given (PER HIS LIFE ON EARTH, PRESENT TENSE)
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(AFTER HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD INTO THE MILLENNIAL ETC., FUTURE TENSE)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given (PER HIS LIFE ON EARTH, PRESENT TENSE)
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.(AFTER HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD INTO THE MILLENNIAL ETC., FUTURE TENSE)
but he was correct
1 Corinthians 14:13 (ESV) — 13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
in that one should pray to interpret
sethproton
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NASB Cor 12:4-6
varieties of gifts - CHARISMA: gift of grace and favor - (Here related to a variety of specific spiritual gifts and abilities)
varieties of ministries - DIARESIS: division, disribution, distinction - (Here related to a variety of how each person administers them)
varieties of effects - ENERGEMA: thing wrought, operation - (Here related to how the gifts affect others when they are used)
These indicate the endless variety of the outplaying of the gifts of individual Christians.
And?
sethproton
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of course there is a lot more to say about these gifts, showing where used and trying to define them, but that would be many pages and I don't like making massive posts.
I was hoping the other poster would se this and if he So yes I understand your "and" as this is was not aware of these definitions, might consider them.
So yes I understand your "and" and would be happy to discuss more in smaller bites, but that would diverge from the thread.
Did you have any specifics you wanted to add?
Just wondering what you point was
sethproton
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Nothing more that what I wrote, what the words mean. I am always inclined to state here exactly what my point is and try to never e vague or assume people can read into my post what I mean. I try to just say it clearly. Of course in every post I hope I write something people can respond to
But the issue concerned praying to interpret tongues. I had expected something addressing that
sethproton
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Here is what I understand.
Tongues in all its varieties is never understood by humans, only by God, although it edifies the speaker when it is given even if no one interprests.
Interpretation of tongues is then gifted to someone in their own language. Despite people claiming they heard the tongue in their own language, they are disagreeing with the word and not understanding the dynamic, though it could mean they were given the interpretation as the speaker spoke. Just like in the beginning of Acts.
In both sdes of this people have to decide whether or not they will speak.
That is my elementary beginning understanding of these gifts and I like the topic and will gladly show the verses and talk more detail
As a note, I do not speak in tongues and only got an interpretation once.