How and Why I joined here, and my sad Church story.

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

I left the evangelical church over legalism, hypocrisy and theology. My father was a non-practicing Jew and I became a Messianic Jew. My Gentile mother made us go to the IFB Christian church when we were growing up. Since then my brother converted to Catholicism and I to Messianic Judaism .
I have no tolerance for legalism and hypocrisy. My spiritual and moral compass comes from Yeshua, my Complete Jewish Bible and the Jewish Didache (early church manual). If you are looking for a minister to guide you to a spiritual paradise you will be surely disappointed. Man is fallible, but Yeshua our Savior, Redeemer and coming King is infallible and so is Adonai's Word.
I will be praying for you my brother that Hashem will give you wisdom and understanding.
Shalom Aleichem

After I wrote you, what I wrote you. I thought maybe I should of just asked you what your theology is, and replied if I agreed with it or not. In general terms I agree with you. I am always grateful to anyone that feels called to pray for me.

My "friend" once told me that the Church you choose is based on your preference. I feel that is a very immature thing to say. Also people tell me, "no Church is perfect because people are not perfect". I also consider that to be an immature thing to say. Yes it is true, but it is not a helpful statement. My "friend" once said, "how can you be a Christian not go to Church?" That is a very immature question. The Bible does say Hebrews 10:25 "25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching." But this verse assumes that the people in the Church are trying to treat each other right. From my experience, the people in Churches I've been too, pick and choose who they will treat right. They can always say to themselves, "we are not treating the other people bad, we just ignore them." "If those people don't fit into our Church then they can just go find another one." The problem is you might not be able to find another one. People are fickle. I can give you guys reasons why I think people don't like me. 1) I'm a janitor for a school. People seem to look down at any person who does a low end job like that. It is kinda like how so many people look down at homeless people. They justify it by saying, that person could get a job. Or they chose to live in sin. These are judgments made without even knowing the people personally. They go no idea what the story is. Number 2) The way I look and my personality. Christian people seem to think if you are a true Christian then you will have a smile on your face. They never seem to consider that maybe the reason why the person is not smiling is because they don't feel good physically or maybe emotionally. They seem to forget that honestly is also very important in Christianity. It is like nobody wants to minister to anyone unless they think it turn into something great. One time I was sitting in Church, and I had my finger in bandage holding it straight. The pastor came up to me, and asked what happened to my finger. I explained that I did manual labor at a School, cleaning it. I cleaned so many sinks with a rag that the joints in my finger got sore. He could of responded that He would pray for me and my finger, but instead he bragged about how He never had to do manual labor.

 

[David Koberstein]

After I wrote you, what I wrote you. I thought maybe I should of just asked you what your theology is, and replied if I agreed with it or not. In general terms I agree with you. I am always grateful to anyone that feels called to pray for me.

My "friend" once told me that the Church you choose is based on your preference. I feel that is a very immature thing to say. Also people tell me, "no Church is perfect because people are not perfect". I also consider that to be an immature thing to say. Yes it is true, but it is not a helpful statement. My "friend" once said, "how can you be a Christian not go to Church?" That is a very immature question. The Bible does say Hebrews 10:25 "25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching." But this verse assumes that the people in the Church are trying to treat each other right. From my experience, the people in Churches I've been too, pick and choose who they will treat right. They can always say to themselves, "we are not treating the other people bad, we just ignore them." "If those people don't fit into our Church then they can just go find another one." The problem is you might not be able to find another one. People are fickle. I can give you guys reasons why I think people don't like me. 1) I'm a janitor for a school. People seem to look down at any person who does a low end job like that. It is kinda like how so many people look down at homeless people. They justify it by saying, that person could get a job. Or they chose to live in sin. These are judgments made without even knowing the people personally. They go no idea what the story is. Number 2) The way I look and my personality. Christian people seem to think if you are a true Christian then you will have a smile on your face. They never seem to consider that maybe the reason why the person is not smiling is because they don't feel good physically or maybe emotionally. They seem to forget that honestly is also very important in Christianity. It is like nobody wants to minister to anyone unless they think it turn into something great. One time I was sitting in Church, and I had my finger in bandage holding it straight. The pastor came up to me, and asked what happened to my finger. I explained that I did manual labor at a School, cleaning it. I cleaned so many sinks with a rag that the joints in my finger got sore. He could of responded that He would pray for me and my finger, but instead he bragged about how He never had to do manual labor.

Thank you (Toda Raba) for your sharing your thoughts with me through this forum post.
If you want to share with me privately you can email me through this forum.
People that look down at someone because of their vocation are very shallow and insensitive people always looking at the outside of a person and not what's inside of that person. I worked at very mundane jobs during my lifetime. But it was an experience I would always treasure, because I got to learn more about people and their circumstances. I believe Adonai allows us to be in mundane jobs for 2 reasons. One is to reach out to help and minister to another person in need, and secondly, to teach us a biblical principle in life. I think of Joseph in the Old Covenant who went from a pit to the palace.
He was treated undeseringly horribly by his brother's, but even though they meant it for evil, Adonai meant it for good to accomplish His will and revelation. I have a prayer partner Mike that I meet for about an hour every Thursday morning for breakfast. We talk about family and life issues plus we pray for each other's family and our country. We have been doing this for almost 18 years now. I would suggest you would try something like this. It really helps to get someone else's perspective on your issues and problems. I would also suggest you get and keep a daily journal on situations, problems, and circumstances and see the hand of the Lord move in your life's journey through these issues. Months and years from now you can read your journal and see Adonai's protection and provision.
As for theology is concerned there is not much difference between Messianic and mainstream evangelical theology. One is we worship on Saturday instead of Sunday. We
also are cognizant of the Torah dietary laws.
We view and practice marriage, child birth and funerals differently. We worship on and recognize the festivals and High holidays.
We believe in the fundamentals of the faith.
Like the Godhead Trinity, virgin birth of Yeshua, salvation through the shed blood of Yeshua, free will, infallibility of Adonai's Word and etc.
I will pray for you for wisdom and understanding in the days ahead.
Shalom

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Thank you (Toda Raba) for your sharing your thoughts with me through this forum post.
If you want to share with me privately you can email me through this forum.
People that look down at someone because of their vocation are very shallow and insensitive people always looking at the outside of a person and not what's inside of that person. I worked at very mundane jobs during my lifetime. But it was an experience I would always treasure, because I got to learn more about people and their circumstances. I believe Adonai allows us to be in mundane jobs for 2 reasons. One is to reach out to help and minister to another person in need, and secondly, to teach us a biblical principle in life. I think of Joseph in the Old Covenant who went from a pit to the palace.
He was treated undeseringly horribly by his brother's, but even though they meant it for evil, Adonai meant it for good to accomplish His will and revelation. I have a prayer partner Mike that I meet for about an hour every Thursday morning for breakfast. We talk about family and life issues plus we pray for each other's family and our country. We have been doing this for almost 18 years now. I would suggest you would try something like this. It really helps to get someone else's perspective on your issues and problems. I would also suggest you get and keep a daily journal on situations, problems, and circumstances and see the hand of the Lord move in your life's journey through these issues. Months and years from now you can read your journal and see Adonai's protection and provision.
As for theology is concerned there is not much difference between Messianic and mainstream evangelical theology. One is we worship on Saturday instead of Sunday. We
also are cognizant of the Torah dietary laws.
We view and practice marriage, child birth and funerals differently. We worship on and recognize the festivals and High holidays.
We believe in the fundamentals of the faith.
Like the Godhead Trinity, virgin birth of Yeshua, salvation through the shed blood of Yeshua, free will, infallibility of Adonai's Word and etc.
I will pray for you for wisdom and understanding in the days ahead.
Shalom

I read everything you wrote here. The only comment I want to make is, my job puts me in isolation. I clean a large school all by myself. And sometimes I try talking to the teachers, but that doesn't even go well anymore. I'm sorry but I got to disagree with you on your point that "I believe Adonai allows us to be in mundane jobs for 2 reasons. One is to reach out to help and minister to another person in need, and secondly, to teach us a biblical principle in life. I think of Joseph in the Old Covenant who went from a pit to the palace." I think it is possible that He did that for you, but it clearly is not the reason why He did this for me.

 

[David Koberstein]

I read everything you wrote here. The only comment I want to make is, my job puts me in isolation. I clean a large school all by myself. And sometimes I try talking to the teachers, but that doesn't even go well anymore. I'm sorry but I got to disagree with you on your point that "I believe Adonai allows us to be in mundane jobs for 2 reasons. One is to reach out to help and minister to another person in need, and secondly, to teach us a biblical principle in life. I think of Joseph in the Old Covenant who went from a pit to the palace." I think it is possible that He did that for you, but it clearly is not the reason why He did this for me.

Did you ever think about changing career paths were you can be around people?
Shalom

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Did you ever think about changing career paths were you can be around people?
Shalom

Yes but my learning disability, circumstances, physical issues, and even my parents prevent it.

 

[David Koberstein]

Yes but my learning disability, circumstances, physical issues, and even my parents prevent it.

Ok Thanks for sharing.
Shalom

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Ok Thanks for sharing.
Shalom

Like I said, I welcome prayer.

 

[e v e]

judaism is not the basis of christianity.

 

[David Koberstein]

You got it my friend

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

judaism is not the basis of christianity.

It kinda is. The Trinity created it for the Jews, and Jesus Christ is a Jew. The old school Judaism has been done away with, and Christianity took it's place. However Christianity honors it. The old testament is still useful. All of the word is God breathed.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

[e v e]

It kinda is. The Trinity created it for the Jews, and Jesus Christ is a Jew. The old school Judaism has been done away with, and Christianity took it's place. However Christianity honors it. The old testament is still useful. All of the word is God breathed.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Christianity is based on Christ, who was there even in genesis when God created eden... Christ is in the OT... talking to the prophets. Moses was saved and met Christ as did His prophets. Christianity is not based on Judaism.

Judaism is a religion that does not accept Christ. Not then or now. Its practices are not commanded by God and never were. It mixed its heathen practices in with God's requests to His Hebrew souls, to make the heathen religion seem as one with God's view. They were not one. Thanks to its pharisees almost half the prophets were murdered in the OT and in the NT Jesus was murdered with their (pharisee) help. Thanks to its pharisees God's hebrew souls did not listen to the prophets and suffered greatly for that. This is just the cliff notes. Christianity existed since the moment God created eden... it is to be a follower of Christ.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Christianity is based on Christ, who was there even in genesis when God created eden... who is in the OT too... talking to the prophets. Moses was saved and met Christ as did His prophets.

Judaism is a religion that does not accept Christ. Not then or now. Its practices are not commanded by God and never were. It mixed its heathen practices in with God's requests to Hid souls, to make them seem as one. They were not. Thanks to its pharisees almost half the prophets were murdered in the OT and in the NT Jesus was murdered with their help. Thanks to its pharisees Gods hebrew souls did not listen to the prophets and suffered greatly for that. This is just the cliff notes.

I did not start this thread to start a debate over the role of Judaism in Christianity. But God started the Jewish Law with the 10 commandments. Then Jesus even refers to them.

 

[e v e]

Christ is Deity and entered into a flesh body - imagine what a step down! And doing that incredible sacrifice to even incarnate here, to help us return to our promised land which we lost because of adam: eden paradise. Not all hebrews followed Christ then, just as today many do not follow Christ.

 

[e v e]

I did not start this thread to start a debate over the role of Judaism in Christianity. But God started the Jewish Law with the 10 commandments. Then Jesus even refers to them.

Oh. I didn't know those were jewish laws.

I thought they were God's commandments straight from God.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Christ is Deity and entered into a flesh body - imagine what a step down! And doing that incredible sacrifice to even incarnate here, to help us return to our promised land which we lost because of adam: eden paradise. Not all hebrews followed Christ then, just as today many do not follow Christ.

I do the best I can to follow Christ. I'm not not on this site to try and get people saved. I'm not good at evangelism.

 

[e v e]

True. Christ Himself is the law of life and as our deity created eden so that makes sense Christ would mention God's commandments.

 

[e v e]

I do the best I can to follow Christ. I'm not not on this site to try and get people saved. I'm not good at evangelism.

thats all that matters. evangelism can go to the back seat really. Only He can bring souls to Him.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

True. Christ Himself is the law of life and as our deity created eden so that makes sense Christ would mention God's commandments.

I heard some ministers refer to the 10 commandments as being apart of the law. I never took the time to research it myself to see if they should be included as apart of the Law of Moses. I did a google search and I see some articles about it. Seems to be a controversial subject.

 

[e v e]

I'm sorry but I got to disagree with you on your point that "I believe Adonai allows us to be in mundane jobs for 2 reasons. One is to reach out to help and minister to another person in need, and secondly, to teach us a biblical principle in life. I think of Joseph in the Old Covenant who went from a pit to the palace."

in general the flesh mind people have is cruel and very uncaring.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

I wish I could evangelise better, but I got a lot of problems. And my life is in isolation. I would prefer to share Christ in person, in real life. That is the way everyone did it before the internet.