Women.

[GodsGrace]

No, you misunderstand me.

I am against women as pastors because they should not have authority over men.

I have nothing but respect for women who are married, and even more for those who put their husbands first and
do not try to usurp their authority that was originally given ...

IOW... The Bible presents the family structure with roles for each member, highlighting a husband’s leadership in marriage. This doesn’t mean authority to dominate but encourages love, responsibility, and protection. God’s design for marriage is built on mutual respect, with each person valued, bringing balance, unity, and harmony to the household.

Ephesians 5:23​

That does not belittle a woman by any stretch. It is our heavenly Father taking care of us.

You see. I always enjoyed being on that pedestal and the problem today is no one seems to know what that means.

To be loved and cherished and yes, even protected and provided for.

Thanks for responding.

I agree with you.
I was replying to another member.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Samaritan woman must not have gotten the memo.

Apparently, you don't know the difference between TEACHING and WITNESSING.

 

[GodsGrace]

i do not see a problem with Holy Spirit filled women teaching = even to men

God does not approve of women rising above men = such as a pastor.

If a woman feels she is led to be a 'pastor' , then her correct designation should always be 'pastorette' or 'shepherdess'.
To signify her gender, and thus under a man according to God's Design and Plan

Won't work.
If a woman is teaching men...
she's above them.

§A woman CANNOT BE A PASTOR....it is forbidden by scripture.

No such thing as a pastorette or a shepherdess.

There are only PASTORS and SHEPHERDS.

And Jesus meant them to be MALE.

Because women have a different disposition than men.

Men should stop trying to be modern and be men instead.


Women could teach other women.
Women could teach children.
I've done both.

I couldn't imagine trying to teach a pastor.
If a pastor needs to be taught...he shouldn't be a pastor.

 

[DavidTree]

Won't work.
If a woman is teaching men...
she's above them.

§A woman CANNOT BE A PASTOR....it is forbidden by scripture.

No such thing as a pastorette or a shepherdess.

There are only PASTORS and SHEPHERDS.

And Jesus meant them to be MALE.

Because women have a different disposition than men.

Men should stop trying to be modern and be men instead.


Women could teach other women.
Women could teach children.
I've done both.

I couldn't imagine trying to teach a pastor.
If a pastor needs to be taught...he shouldn't be a pastor.

God instituted men to be the Leadership under CHRIST.
A sanctified Holy Spirit filled woman can teach outside of the official Assembly.

Shepherdess is Biblical = Rachel was a shepherdess who married Jacob. She did not usurp authority over Jacob or any other men.
Deborah was a prophetess called by God to lead/Judge the children of Israel.

Holy Spirit filled women can teach men who are either, coming to Christ or have been recently saved and are just learning the scriptures.

i have learned from my Holy Spirit filled wife as this is how husbands and wives should be toward each other in the Faith.
We SEE this with Aquilla and Priscilla in Acts and when Moses was saved by his wife Zipporah when God's ANGER was against Moses to the point God was going to kill him = Exodus 4:24-26

 

[GodsGrace]

God instituted men to be the Leadership under CHRIST.
A sanctified Holy Spirit filled woman can teach outside of the official Assembly.

Shepherdess is Biblical = Rachel was a shepherdess who married Jacob. She did not usurp authority over Jacob or any other men.
Deborah was a prophetess called by God to lead/Judge the children of Israel.

Holy Spirit filled women can teach men who are either, coming to Christ or have been recently saved and are just learning the scriptures.

i have learned from my Holy Spirit filled wife as this is how husbands and wives should be toward each other in the Faith.
We SEE this with Aquilla and Priscilla in Acts

OK
I agree with the above.

I think the thread is about women pastors...I'm addressing that.

 

[Overcomer]

Apparently, you don't know the difference between TEACHING and WITNESSING.

I do.

Witnessing ...as in attesting
to declare (something) to be true or genuine

Sorta like teaching

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00220272.2016.1205137

 

[101G]

Maybe in the spirit there's no difference.
But I'm a girl and will remain so on this earth.

the natural mind/flesh cannot please God.

A succourer.
Not a teacher.

A succourer is a TEACHER.... per Pastor/Bishop/Apostle.

An assistant is not the office holder.

a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor. do you understand the term "co" as in co-laborer?

Romans 16:2 calls Phoebe a deaconess.
A deaconess, according to the council of Nicea in 325AD could mean an ordained minister or an assistant.
Deaconesses in the early church helped Bishops,,,for instance with baptizing women.
And, if you check history, they were listed among the laity,,,not among the clergy.

ERROR. a minister, "servant " which is, G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n.
1. an attendant, a servant.
2. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties).
3. (specially) a male Christian serving in a specific function and post (i.e. tending the widows and the poor, teaching, pastoring, etc).
[probably from an obsolete diako “to run on errands”]
KJV: deacon, minister, servant
Compare: G1377

Are you saying a BISHOP could have been a woman??

no, not 101G, but the bible, God Holy Word IS..... please understand the term "MAN" in 1 Timothy 3:1 "This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." is just that..... these qualification is for ... "A MAN", notice not ... ANY man, but for "A" man who would ... "DESIRE" not appoint, but only desire the position. if it was a woman, the qualification would be reversed. Common on GG think.

in Romans chapter 16 the evidence is before your very face.

101G.

 

[101G]

God instituted men to be the Leadership under CHRIST.

in their ... OWN .... HOMES. 1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." 1 Corinthians 11:2 "Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you." 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

here, this is a home setting of HUSBAND and WIFE, and not in the general assembly at church. ... HELLO.

people need to separate your church life from your home life ..... IN "CONTEXT" of the scriptures.
101G.

 

[DavidTree]

in their ... OWN .... HOMES. 1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." 1 Corinthians 11:2 "Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you." 1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

here, this is a home setting of HUSBAND and WIFE, and not in the general assembly at church. ... HELLO.

people need to separate your church life from your home life ..... IN "CONTEXT" of the scriptures.
101G.

Paul was defining God's Authority from the Top down = Everywhere on Earth concerning man/woman

 

[dwight92070]

@360watt , @dwight92070

I have been following everyone's conversations with @charismaticlady in the thread "Is anyone else a seer."

Not going back past the last page or so @dwight92070 reply 701 there you stated ~When a pastor, such as Jack Hayford, directly contradicts Paul's words here - and tells us that it's okay for women to teach in the assembly of believers,

Are you specifically speaking of the assembly of believers as being that of a "church congregation " when they meet for their worship sessions or of the church congregation, no matter where meeting for instruction? (ie Sunday Schools, Bible Camps, Retreats, et al?

@360watt , in the same thread, you posted reply #705 with One thing about women keeping silent in the church..is the context is about speaking out of turn and speaking in tongues....It is still saying for woman not to hold the position of pastor/bishop, and ask their hubby at home about disputations, but isn't about not speaking at all.

So what I said above you do mention church congregation meeting for worship and I cannot help but wonder it also means no woman should speak in tongues?

Funny that the idea of women in the pulpit has fallen apart within my life time.

And more so when you have the likes of Marylyn Hickey and , heaven help us all, Paula White that are in so many homes today....
And the one I cannot understand that an entire church was built around "Ellen G White"... to name a few.

IOW. Are women ok if they are not in a pulpit? And should women not participate in forums such as these?

In the same book that Paul tells Timothy "I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet." 1 Timothy 2:12, Paul explains the following in the next chapter, 1 Timothy 3:15: " ... I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself (both men and women) in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth."

So Paul doesn't seem to be applying his instruction to meetings or assembly's outside of the assembly of believers. Nor does he forbid women from teaching children or other women - Paul said that the older women should teach the younger women. Apparently, from the moment the average boy becomes a man, and throughout the rest of his life, he needs to see and hear a man leader and teacher in the church vs. a woman, according to Paul. This would include Sunday school classes, Bible camps, and retreats, etc for young men, anywhere where the body of Christ meets for teaching or where authority is exercised over a group of fellow believers.

However, it appears to me that a teaching situation, where the topic is not Bible truths or Christian life principles, such as sports, games, learning to ride a horse, history, etc., that that doesn't fall under the category of what Paul is forbidding women to teach or even to exercise authority. Paul called the church "the pillar and support of the truth", so whenever Biblical and spiritual truth is taught, that seems to be the man's role.

 

[GodsGrace]

I do.

Witnessing ...as in attesting
to declare (something) to be true or genuine

Sorta like teaching

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00220272.2016.1205137

Didn't see your link....the subject matter seems to be easy enough as to not need a link.

If you think that attesting:
Telling someone that if they flip a switch the light will go on...

Is the same as teaching:
Where the light is coming from, how it functions, and the history of it....


Is the same...
then so be it.

(at least for you).

Some might notice a slight difference.

 

[GodsGrace]

the natural mind/flesh cannot please God.

A succourer is a TEACHER.... per Pastor/Bishop/Apostle.

a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor. do you understand the term "co" as in co-laborer?

ERROR. a minister, "servant " which is, G1249 διάκονος diakonos (d̮iy-a'-ko-nos) n.
1. an attendant, a servant.
2. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties).
3. (specially) a male Christian serving in a specific function and post (i.e. tending the widows and the poor, teaching, pastoring, etc).
[probably from an obsolete diako “to run on errands”]
KJV: deacon, minister, servant
Compare: G1377

no, not 101G, but the bible, God Holy Word IS..... please understand the term "MAN" in 1 Timothy 3:1 "This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." is just that..... these qualification is for ... "A MAN", notice not ... ANY man, but for "A" man who would ... "DESIRE" not appoint, but only desire the position. if it was a woman, the qualification would be reversed. Common on GG think.

in Romans chapter 16 the evidence is before your very face.

101G.

The above is so silly that I will not be replying to it.

Study some church history and then maybe we could discuss.

And your greek isn't helping you much with understanding what SUCCOURER means.
A simple dictionary might help.
You may want to notice that the meanings in your very own post above is of no help to you.

Maybe Paul was confused in his teaching?

No further comment.

 

[Phoebe]

Didn't see your link....the subject matter seems to be easy enough as to not need a link.

If you think that attesting:
Telling someone that if they flip a switch the light will go on...

Is the same as teaching:
Where the light is coming from, how it functions, and the history of it....


Is the same...
then so be it.

(at least for you).

Some might notice a slight difference.

So the moral of the story is the Samaritan woman showed the townsfolk where the light switch was. She taught them about Jesus. He is the light. She preached Jesus to them. "preach what you teach" In common usage, the terms preaching and teaching are often used interchangeably.

 

[DavidTree]

So the moral of the story is the Samaritan woman showed the townsfolk where the light switch was. She taught them about Jesus. He is the light. She preached Jesus to them. "preach what you teach" In common usage, the terms preaching and teaching are often used interchangeably.

men women and children are all encouraged to "preach JESUS" out on the streets

women and children are to be observant of the Order of God in the Assembly

God is the Head of Christ
Christ is the Head of man
Man is the head of woman

After the Holy Spirit was poured out on Pentecost/Acts ch2 the LORD had the 'perfect' opportunity to replace Judas, who was one of the Twelve, with Mary but HE did not.
Why???

 

[GodsGrace]

So the moral of the story is the Samaritan woman showed the townsfolk where the light switch was. She taught them about Jesus. He is the light. She preached Jesus to them. "preach what you teach" In common usage, the terms preaching and teaching are often used interchangeably.

Phoebe....
I didn't compare PREACHING to TEACHING...which are also different.

I was comparing WITNESSING to TEACHING.

But I have nothing further to add to this conversation.

 

[Phoebe]

But I have nothing further to add to this conversation.

You never did.

 

[GodsGrace]

You never did.

You're a nice person Phoebe.
God is happy with you.

Oh yeah.

 

[Phoebe]

@GodsGrace
Are you preaching or teaching now?
Is that it, or do you have more to add the the conversation.

 

[Overcomer]

Didn't see your link....the subject matter seems to be easy enough as to not need a link.

If you think that attesting:
Telling someone that if they flip a switch the light will go on...

Is the same as teaching:
Where the light is coming from, how it functions, and the history of it....


Is the same...
then so be it.

(at least for you).

Some might notice a slight difference.

The link is in plan sight. (at least for me)

If someone doesn't know what a light switch is don't waist time talking, just show them.

 

[101G]

The above is so silly that I will not be replying to it.

Study some church history and then maybe we could discuss.

And your greek isn't helping you much with understanding what SUCCOURER means.
A simple dictionary might help.
You may want to notice that the meanings in your very own post above is of no help to you.

Maybe Paul was confused in his teaching?

No further comment.

Good, thanks for no more comments....... and not Paul was not confused...... YOU ARE.

101G