He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[Truther]

Ive shown you what I base my conviction on, you reject it obviously

Gladly

 

[Truther]

The apostle Philip explained the good news of Jesus to a devout Ethiopian man. When the man believed, he immediately asked to be baptized. Acts 8:26–40

First The Ethiopian believed the gospel and was saved then he was baptized.

No, he was baptized for the remission of sins. In the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Bubba]

The apostle Philip explained the good news of Jesus to a devout Ethiopian man. When the man believed, he immediately asked to be baptized. Acts 8:26–40

First The Ethiopian believed the gospel and was saved then he was baptized.

Correct ...“And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’” Acts 8:36
This passage is a favorite for people who believe in baptismal regeneration. But they forget to mention the next verse.

The Acts 8:37 says, “’If you believe with all your heart, you may.’ And he replied, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God’”

So clearly he needed to be saved before water baptism.

The Word Brings Salvation
…8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…Romans 8-10

The thing the baptismal regenerationist does is argue from the white spaces. Nowhere in the passage does it say baptism is necessary to be saved. There really isn’t much to say after that. The only way to get baptismal regeneration in the text is to bring in preconceived ideas into the text.

Baptismal regenerationists have to grasp at straws to defend their position that baptism saves people. It is found nowhere in Scripture. They have to read into the text to make it say what they want it to say. It is really sad.

 

[Samson]

Correct ...“And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’” Acts 8:36
This passage is a favorite for people who believe in baptismal regeneration. But they forget to mention the next verse.

The Acts 8:37 says, “’If you believe with all your heart, you may.’ And he replied, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God’”

So clearly he needed to be saved before water baptism.

The Word Brings Salvation
…8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…Romans 8-10

The thing the baptismal regenerationist does is argue from the white spaces. Nowhere in the passage does it say baptism is necessary to be saved. There really isn’t much to say after that. The only way to get baptismal regeneration in the text is to bring in preconceived ideas into the text.

Baptismal regenerationists have to grasp at straws to defend their position that baptism saves people. It is found nowhere in Scripture. They have to read into the text to make it say what they want it to say. It is really sad.

Excellent

 

[brightfame52]

Correct ...“And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’” Acts 8:36
This passage is a favorite for people who believe in baptismal regeneration. But they forget to mention the next verse.

The Acts 8:37 says, “’If you believe with all your heart, you may.’ And he replied, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God’”

So clearly he needed to be saved before water baptism.

The Word Brings Salvation
…8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…Romans 8-10

The thing the baptismal regenerationist does is argue from the white spaces. Nowhere in the passage does it say baptism is necessary to be saved. There really isn’t much to say after that. The only way to get baptismal regeneration in the text is to bring in preconceived ideas into the text.

Baptismal regenerationists have to grasp at straws to defend their position that baptism saves people. It is found nowhere in Scripture. They have to read into the text to make it say what they want it to say. It is really sad.

And if the eunuch believed with his heart, he was saved Rom 10:9-10

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Truther]

Correct ...“And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’” Acts 8:36
This passage is a favorite for people who believe in baptismal regeneration. But they forget to mention the next verse.

The Acts 8:37 says, “’If you believe with all your heart, you may.’ And he replied, ‘I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God’”

So clearly he needed to be saved before water baptism.

The Word Brings Salvation
…8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.…Romans 8-10

The thing the baptismal regenerationist does is argue from the white spaces. Nowhere in the passage does it say baptism is necessary to be saved. There really isn’t much to say after that. The only way to get baptismal regeneration in the text is to bring in preconceived ideas into the text.

Baptismal regenerationists have to grasp at straws to defend their position that baptism saves people. It is found nowhere in Scripture. They have to read into the text to make it say what they want it to say. It is really sad.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.

Does that ring a bell?

Eerily similar to Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch , huh?

 

[Truther]

And if the eunuch believed with his heart, he was saved Rom 10:9-10

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

In other words, you think Jesus said he that believeth and is saved shall be baptized? Is that how you interpret that?
Backward theology?

 

[Truther]

Jesus said he that believes and is baptized shall be saved. The Ethiopian eunoch believed therefore qualified himself for baptism to be saved. You guys are pulling the switcheroo to the Scriptures. This is too easy.

 

[Cyrus]

And if the eunuch believed with his heart, he was saved Rom 10:9-10

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Sounds right to me. Then he was ready to be baptized.

 

[brightfame52]

In other words, you think Jesus said he that believeth and is saved shall be baptized? Is that how you interpret that?
Backward theology?

Cornelius was a righteous man before water baptism and the Lord heard his prayers and had accepted him1 Pet 3:12

For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Acts 10:1-4,22

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

that word just is tee same word righteous in 1 Pet 3:12

Also Rom 10:9-10 says nothing about water baptism

 

[brightfame52]

Sounds right to me. Then he was ready to be baptized.

Yeah, water baptism was something a saved believer was to do as a good work following salvation, a public Identification with Christ and His people as well as an acknowledgement that He has saved you. If a person doesnt get water baptized they still saved.Its not a condition to get saved from the penalty of your sins.

 

[Affinity]

Baptismal regeneration is a very dangerous teaching. One of the main denominations teaching this false doctrine are
Church of Christ churches, that are borderline cult-like in their preferences, practices, and doctrines. The Church of Christ claim to be “the one true church,” outside of which there is no salvation. So if you don't go to their church and adhere to their doctrines you're not saved.

I believe that is why you see the unreasonable and radical insistent on baptismal regeneration in this thread without offering real any proof. And ignoring the overwhelming amount of proof against baptismal regeneration. What most cults do is fabricate their lie and repeat it over and over. You can easily observe that going on here.

 

[Cyrus]

Baptismal regeneration is a very dangerous teaching. One of the main denominations teaching this false doctrine are
Church of Christ churches, that are borderline cult-like in their preferences, practices, and doctrines. The Church of Christ claim to be “the one true church,” outside of which there is no salvation. So if you don't go to their church and adhere to their doctrines you're not saved.

I believe that is why you see the unreasonable and radical insistent on baptismal regeneration in this thread without offering real any proof. And ignoring the overwhelming amount of proof against baptismal regeneration. What most cults do is fabricate their lie and repeat it over and over. You can easily observe that going on here.

I think you're right the Over TheTop behavior and the refusal to let it go... it's pretty strange all right.

 

[Bubba]

I think you're right the Over The Top behavior and the refusal to let it go... it's pretty strange all right.

Don't forget this part

The thing the baptismal regenerationist does is argue from the white spaces. Nowhere in the passage does it say baptism is necessary to be saved. There really isn’t much to say after that. The only way to get baptismal regeneration in the text is to bring in preconceived ideas into the text.

 

[Cyrus]

Don't forget this part

The thing the baptismal regenerationist does is argue from the white spaces. Nowhere in the passage does it say baptism is necessary to be saved. There really isn’t much to say after that. The only way to get baptismal regeneration in the text is to bring in preconceived ideas into the text.

Seriously, Those preconceived ideas will get you every time.

Preconceived ideas are opinions formed without adequate evidence, which can lead to a distorted view of reality. These notions can be harmful because they:

• Prevent us from seeing things as they are: Preconceived ideas can cloud our minds, making it difficult to form a fair and objective opinion. We may only see what we want to see, rather than considering all the facts.
• Lead to biases and stereotypes: Preconceived notions can be based on incomplete or inaccurate information, leading to biases and stereotypes. These can be damaging and unfair, as they can affect our relationships and interactions with others.
• Inhibit personal growth and learning: When we have preconceived ideas, we may be resistant to new information or experiences that challenge our beliefs. This can hinder our personal growth and learning, as we may not be open to new perspectives or ideas.
• Create negative attitudes and behaviors: Preconceived notions can lead to negative attitudes and behaviors towards others, such as prejudice, discrimination, and stereotyping. These can have serious consequences, including social and economic inequality.
• Limit our potential: Preconceived ideas can limit our potential by preventing us from exploring new possibilities and opportunities. We may miss out on valuable experiences and connections because of our preconceived notions.
• Create conflict and misunderstandings: Preconceived ideas can lead to conflict and misunderstandings, as people may have different opinions and perspectives. This can damage relationships and create tension.

Conclusion

Preconceived ideas can be detrimental to our personal and social well-being. They can lead to biases, stereotypes, and negative attitudes, and prevent us from seeing things as they truly are. It’s essential to be aware of our preconceived notions and make an effort to be open-minded, curious, and receptive to new information and experiences. By doing so, we can foster a more objective and empathetic understanding of the world around us.

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[Truther]

Cornelius was a righteous man before water baptism and the Lord heard his prayers and had accepted him1 Pet 3:12

For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Acts 10:1-4,22

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

that word just is tee same word righteous in 1 Pet 3:12

Also Rom 10:9-10 says nothing about water baptism

Let’s talk about Romans 10. You may have not known this, but Romans is an epistle. And epistle is a letter that was written to people that already obeyed Acts 2:38.(aka saints)

Skipping Acts is a disaster when you take a sinner to the epistles.

They skip the plan of salvation altogether. And we teach them to do such a thing. Modern theology is like a kindergarten class nowadays. Folks are not even taught the basics of how the NT was arranged.

 

[Truther]

Seriously, you guys desperately need to see this. You’re not even reading the Bible right unless you comprehend how it is arranged…
Lesson 5- Page 1

 

[Affinity]

Seriously, you guys desperately need to see this. You’re not even reading the Bible right unless you comprehend how it is arranged…

This proves my point exactly. Those that hold to baptismal regeneration say that you're not saved and you're not reading the bible right If you don't believe like they believe.

Only they can comprehend God's word and only they can be saved. Then if you don't fall into line the degrading, mocking and ridiculing starts in earnest.

 

[Cyrus]

Let’s talk about Romans 10. You may have not known this, but Romans is an epistle. And epistle is a letter that was written to people that already obeyed Acts 2:38.(aka saints)

Skipping Acts is a disaster when you take a sinner to the epistles.

They skip the plan of salvation altogether. And we teach them to do such a thing. Modern theology is like a kindergarten class nowadays. Folks are not even taught the basics of how the NT was arranged.

@Affinity You're absolutely right here it is again ridicule and mocking modern theology like it's a Kindergarden class. Because they are the only ones with the right theology. If you don't believe what they believe you're not saved and you don't know how to read the bible.

Amazing you hit it right on the head Affinity.

If you don't do it their way it's a disaster. If you don't believe in baptismal regeneration (which is not found in the bible) You have nothing to do with Christianity.

They won't even acknowledge this one. They don't want to talk about it, they won't try to prove it's wrong, just repeat the same old same old over and over.
Overemphasis on Baptism: Baptismal regeneration can lead to an overemphasis on the sacrament of baptism, potentially overshadowing the importance of faith, repentance, and personal relationship with God. This can result in a works-based salvation, where one’s salvation is tied to their baptism rather than their faith in Christ.

What a lie from the pit of hell.

 

[Affinity]

@Affinity You're absolutely right here it is again ridicule and mocking modern theology like it's a Kindergarden class. Because they are the only ones with the right theology. If you don't believe what they believe you're not saved and you don't know how to read the bible.

Amazing you hit it right on the head Affinity.

If you don't do it their way it's a disaster. If you don't believe in baptismal regeneration (which is not found in the bible) You have nothing to do with Christianity.

They won't even acknowledge this one. They don't want to talk about it, they won't try to prove it's wrong, just repeat the same old same old over and over.
Overemphasis on Baptism: Baptismal regeneration can lead to an overemphasis on the sacrament of baptism, potentially overshadowing the importance of faith, repentance, and personal relationship with God. This can result in a works-based salvation, where one’s salvation is tied to their baptism rather than their faith in Christ.

What a lie from the pit of hell.

You know what to say "don't drink the Kool-Aid"