What is the difference between eternal security, once saved always saved, and perseverance of the saints?

[praise_yeshua]

Well I did great last night...then I woke up.

Romans 3:23 says, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

The more we understand God’s holiness, the more we will agree that we have fallen short of it. But He has our back.

I can agree completely with you here. The more I live, the more I see things for what they are relative to my own condition. We must first start here in our theology.

We must ask the question.....What does this mean for me?

If we do not, then all we have are the words of others. It never becomes our own. Once we apply it to ourselves, it becomes tangible in our lives. I try to consider myself first. I'm not always successful at doing this.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Because in fact, THEY ARE THE SAME in practical outworking. The differences are nothing but "theology" which is like noses. Everybody's got one.

They are somewhat different in how people approach the issue. Those who believe in freewill actually often fall into the OSAS category. To those who believe in a fatalistic view of election don't really care. At least, in my mind they don't.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well I did great last night...then I woke up.

Romans 3:23 says, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

The more we understand God’s holiness, the more we will agree that we have fallen short of it. But He has our back.

Just to add one more thought to your reply.....

It is faith that brings us back to God. Faith that God will forgive us of our sin. Asking God to forgive us over and over again is part of trusting God. I know others will say otherwise but they don't really see themselves for what they really are. Salvation becomes more of a concept than actual "life" to them. Living is complicated. Our message isn't look at me. It is look at Christ. He is better than us all.

 

[Larry]

Just to add one more thought to your reply.....

It is faith that brings us back to God. Faith that God will forgive us of our sin. Asking God to forgive us over and over again is part of trusting God. I know others will say otherwise but they don't really see themselves for what they really are. Salvation becomes more of a concept than actual "life" to them. Living is complicated. Our message isn't look at me. It is look at Christ. He is better than us all.

Your are right on.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10

 

[Larry]

Because in fact, THEY ARE THE SAME in practical outworking. The differences are nothing but "theology" which is like noses. Everybody's got one.

Some "theology" does have a foul odor.

 

[Larry]

The episode of Peter walking over waters can cast some light on the issue.

Think in salvation as "the state in which you are not drowning in the lake of Galilee"

Did Peter come off the boat trusting Jesus call? Yes.
Did Peter remain motionless, awaiting Jesus to do all the work? No.
Was Peter expected to have any skill in moving his feet or in keeping balance so that he could walk over the waters? No.
Was Peter the author of his floating motion? No.
Did Peter start to sink at some point? Yes
Did Peter remain silent when he noticed he was sinking? No.
Did Peter ask Jesus to be rescued when he noticed he was sinking? Yes
Did Jesus rescue Peter? Yes

• Peter was guaranteed to be safe over the waters if he just trusted Jesus enough as to do what He asked him to do
• Peter realized he could lose that trust at some point.
• Peter realized Jesus would be there for him, even if he lost that trust for a moment, if he cried for help.
• Peter trust was not trust in his own abilities to float, but in Christ's ability to keep him afloat.

I can walk on water if it is 1/4 inch or less.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Certain folks REDEFINE faith as faith AND works which explains why these folks have so much faith in works for salvation instead of in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Such folks don't understand the difference between faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) and faith only-per James 2:24 (empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" - barren of works. (James 2:14)

Who saw the works of Abraham and recognized there value?

Did it take 25 years to prove himself to God?