What is the difference between eternal security, once saved always saved, and perseverance of the saints?

[praise_yeshua]

The Bible is very clear on the subject...no obedience to God = no salvation

Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Heb 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Not a single verse says faith only saves...not one.

Rom 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

Faith begins everything relative to pleasing God.

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Everything begins with faith. Without faith, there is nothing but sin. Faith to believe God forgives is essential to a living faithful relationship with God.

I have no expectation that God will refuse to forgive me. I also rely upon His mercy and longsuffering of my lack of faith. My faith is much larger now that it has ever been in my life. Yet, it is not enough without His mercy and longsuffering of my weaknesses.

Mar 9:23 And Jesus said to him, “‘If you can’! All things are possible for one who believes.”
Mar 9:24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!”

Not a single one of us can truthfully say that we have accomplished all things possible for us. Not one of us. Much greater men than us struggled with this life.

Even the faithful conquers of the past are not without us........

Heb 11:39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised,
Heb 11:40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Do Not Grow Weary
Heb 12:3 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.
Heb 12:4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
Heb 12:5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.
Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”
Heb 12:7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
Heb 12:8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

The correction of sons never ends for us here in this life. It never ends. Confirmation of faithfulness is found in God's correction.

 

[praise_yeshua]

There are verses that definitely sound like faith alone, even if we make exception.

We want to understand that faith, not legalism, is the essential element in salvation.

Everyone definitely has their own "sets of rules" they approve of or not. An faith actually requires this be keep for those who sincerely hold them. We can not act contrary to our own beliefs (right or wrong in the eyes of God) and be faithful people. First and foremost, we must be REAL.

That gets messy for us. Brokeness comes from find the end of our ways. God knows we need more of this.

 

[Seabass]

There are verses that definitely sound like faith alone, even if we make exception.

We want to understand that faith, not legalism, is the essential element in salvation.

Eph 2:8 faith saves
Acts 2:38 repentance saves
Rom 10:9-10 confession saves
1 Pet 3:21 baptism saves
Eph 2:5 grace saves
Rom 8:24 hope saves
Rev 1:4 blood of Christ saves
Heb 5:9 obedience saves

All of these things working together saves, not any one of them alone saves.

 

[Seabass]

Rom 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

Faith begins everything relative to pleasing God.

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Everything begins with faith. Without faith, there is nothing but sin. Faith to believe God forgives is essential to a living faithful relationship with God.

I have no expectation that God will refuse to forgive me. I also rely upon His mercy and longsuffering of my lack of faith. My faith is much larger now that it has ever been in my life. Yet, it is not enough without His mercy and longsuffering of my weaknesses.

Mar 9:23 And Jesus said to him, “‘If you can’! All things are possible for one who believes.”
Mar 9:24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said, “I believe; help my unbelief!”

Not a single one of us can truthfully say that we have accomplished all things possible for us. Not one of us. Much greater men than us struggled with this life.

Even the faithful conquers of the past are not without us........

Heb 11:39 And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised,
Heb 11:40 since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Do Not Grow Weary
Heb 12:3 Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.
Heb 12:4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
Heb 12:5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.
Heb 12:6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”
Heb 12:7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
Heb 12:8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

The correction of sons never ends for us here in this life. It never ends. Confirmation of faithfulness is found in God's correction.

NT faith that saves is a faith that obeys God. A faith that does not move one to obey God is a dead, useless, worthless faith.....why call ye Me Lord Lord and DO NOT do the things which I I say? Lk 6 :46

I have asked this question many times to others nut get no answer. Can you show me just one example of God UNconditionally saving a person while that person CONTINUED to live in disobedience, defiance of God's will? It cannot be found for obedience is the separating line between the saved and lost...2 Thess 1:8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

 

[praise_yeshua]

NT faith that saves is a faith that obeys God. A faith that does not move one to obey God is a dead, useless, worthless faith.....why call ye Me Lord Lord and DO NOT do the things which I I say? Lk 6 :46

I have asked this question many times to others nut get no answer. Can you show me just one example of God UNconditionally saving a person while that person CONTINUED to live in disobedience, defiance of God's will? It cannot be found for obedience is the separating line between the saved and lost...2 Thess 1:8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

You just didn't get the answer you wanted...


Funny how you speak of obedience to the Gospel... Which is faith in Christ. Yet ignore this is exactly what was lacking in those your read in Luke 6:46.

Calling Christ Lord (confession) doesn't necessity actual belief in the heart. It is just meer compliance. People will applaud you to your face while hating your in hearts at the same time.

Many Arminians preach compliance to legalism as salvation.

 

[Dizerner]

All of these things working together saves, not any one of them alone saves.

How would you define works of the Law?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Eph 2:8 faith saves
Acts 2:38 repentance saves
Rom 10:9-10 confession saves
1 Pet 3:21 baptism saves
Eph 2:5 grace saves
Rom 8:24 hope saves
Rev 1:4 blood of Christ saves
Heb 5:9 obedience saves

All of these things working together saves, not any one of them alone saves.

There is no repentance without faith. There is no meaningfulness to baptism without faith. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Obedience to faith is what?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Would you define works of the Law?

I expressed faith when I was a child. I confessed when I was a child. I truly repented when I was around 17 years old.

The work of the law is to stop every month to the point of admitting guilt before God.

Romans 3:19

 

[Seabass]

You just didn't get the answer you wanted...


Funny how you speak of obedience to the Gospel... Which is faith in Christ. Yet ignore this is exactly what was lacking in those your read in Luke 6:46.

Calling Christ Lord (confession) doesn't necessity actual belief in the heart. It is just meer compliance. People will applaud you to your face while hating your in hearts at the same time.

Many Arminians preach compliance to legalism as salvation.

There's that word legalism that gets thrown around a lot and used in ways that go against what the Bible teaches. Can you show one example of person obeying God who was called a legalist?
Heb 5:8: Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" According to you Christ was a legalist.
Gen 6: Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he. Noah a legalist too.

If we substitute the word "obey" with "legalist" we get in Heb 5:9 that Christ is the Savor to all them that are legalists.

I asked: can you show me just one example of God UNconditionally saving a person while that person CONTINUED to live in disobedience, defiance of God's will? You did not answer but just observed the passover on it as other faith onlyists do.

 

[Seabass]

There is no repentance without faith. There is no meaningfulness to baptism without faith. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Obedience to faith is what?

I pointed out earlier that a NT faith INCLUDES obedience as repentance and baptism. Hence a faith lacking obedience is dead, worthless, useless.

 

[Seabass]

How would you define works of the Law?

what law are you speaking of? CHrist's NT law? Moses OT law?

Rom 3:28;
"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Here Paul is CONTRASTING a NT faith that can justify from works of the OT law of Moses that cannot justify.

 

[Dizerner]

from works of the OT law of Moses that cannot justify.

Why can't they justify?