Sorry that is not the definition of his sheep
Again if one is not following one is not that person's sheep
He that believes and is not water baptised is saved
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Darby
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SINS NOT FORGIVEN BY BAPTISM
“And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name,’” are the words that came to the apostle Paul when he converted. Acts 22:16
Does this show that the sins of Paul were forgiven by being baptized? Did baptism by immersion wash away Paul’s sins? Lets Dig into it and find out.
New Testament scholar John B. Polhill writes, “The scene with Ananias concludes with v. 16, which relates Paul’s baptism Acts 9:18. The phrase translated ‘what are you waiting for?’ is a common Greek idiom and implies that it was time Paul acted on this commission from the Lord.
The first step obviously was to be baptized into the community of believers. “Be baptized and wash your sins away” could be taken as a proof text for baptismal regeneration. But wait there's more.
The overarching term, however, is ‘calling upon the name of the Lord,’ the profession of faith in Christ that is the basis for the act of baptism.” Polhill is absolutely correct. Paul was not saying that his sins were forgiven by being baptized.
He was saying that he was commanded to get baptized and that his sins were washed away by his calling upon the name of the Lord (the Father), through Christ Jesus. His calling on his name (“Jehovah”) is evidence of his conversion, that is, his dedication of himself to God, a turning to follow Jesus Christ.
After a persons salvation they are burying their previous life, which is symbolized by water immersion.
“And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name,’” are the words that came to the apostle Paul when he converted. Acts 22:16
Does this show that the sins of Paul were forgiven by being baptized? Did baptism by immersion wash away Paul’s sins? Lets Dig into it and find out.
New Testament scholar John B. Polhill writes, “The scene with Ananias concludes with v. 16, which relates Paul’s baptism Acts 9:18. The phrase translated ‘what are you waiting for?’ is a common Greek idiom and implies that it was time Paul acted on this commission from the Lord.
The first step obviously was to be baptized into the community of believers. “Be baptized and wash your sins away” could be taken as a proof text for baptismal regeneration. But wait there's more.
The overarching term, however, is ‘calling upon the name of the Lord,’ the profession of faith in Christ that is the basis for the act of baptism.” Polhill is absolutely correct. Paul was not saying that his sins were forgiven by being baptized.
He was saying that he was commanded to get baptized and that his sins were washed away by his calling upon the name of the Lord (the Father), through Christ Jesus. His calling on his name (“Jehovah”) is evidence of his conversion, that is, his dedication of himself to God, a turning to follow Jesus Christ.
After a persons salvation they are burying their previous life, which is symbolized by water immersion.
brightfame52
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Dont have to appear for it to still be the Sheep, Sheep appeared in Jn 10, that laid the foundation as to who Jesus draws to Himself by His Death. When He says He must bring His Sheep in Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have[present tense], which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall[future tense] hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Well that's relatively the same as must draw in Jn 12:32
Blessed
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ACTS 2:38 – Did Peter declare that baptism was necessary for salvation?
PROBLEM: Peter seems to be saying that those who responded had to repent and he baptized before they could receive the Holy Spirit. But this is contrary to the teaching of Paul that baptism is not part of the Gospel (1 Cor. 1:17) and that we are saved by faith alone (Rom. 4:4; Eph. 2:8-9).
SOLUTION: This is resolved when we consider the possible meaning of being baptized “for” the remission of sins in the light of its usage, the whole context, and the rest of Scripture. Consider the following:
First, the word “for” (eis) can mean “with a view to” or even “because of.” In this case, water baptism would be because they had been saved, not in order to be saved.
Second, people are saved by receiving God’s word, and Peter’s audience “gladly received his word” before they were baptized (Acts 2:41).
Third, verse 44 speaks of “all who believed” as constituting the early church, not all who were baptized.
Fourth, later, those who believed Peter’s message clearly received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized. Peter said, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” (Acts 10:47)
Fifth, Paul separates baptism from the Gospel, saying, “Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the Gospel” (1 Cor. 1: 17). But it is the Gospel which saves us (Rona. 1:16). Therefore, baptism is not part of what saves us.
Sixth, Jesus referred to baptism as a work of righteousness (Matt. 3:15). But the Bible declares clearly it is “not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us” (Titus 3:5).
Seventh, not once in the entire Gospel of John, written explicitly so that people could believe and be saved (John 20:31), does it give baptism as part of the condition of salvation. It simply says over and over that people should “believe” and be saved (cf. John 3:16, 18, 36).
In view of all these factors it seems best to understand Peter’s statement like this: “Repent and be baptized with a view to the forgiveness of sins.” That this view looked backward (to their sins being forgiven after they were saved) is made clear by the context and the rest of Scripture. Believing (or repenting) and being baptized are placed together, since baptism should follow belief. But nowhere does it say, “He who is not baptized will be condemned” (cf. Mark 16:16). Yet Jesus said emphatically ly that “he who does not believe is condemned already” (John 3:18). So neither Peter nor the rest of Scripture makes baptism a condition of salvation.—Thomas Howe; Norman L. Geisler. Big Book of Bible Difficulties, The: Clear and Concise Answers from Genesis to Revelation.
Truther
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Show me the verse that Cornelius was saved before he met Peter please?
Truther
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So, this became obsolete in modern times?…
…..Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…
Aeliana
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Try to say something new because your posts are becoming obsolete. Oh that's right you can't because you're stuck on a false premise.
Truther
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This is false?…
…Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…
Exactly what part?
Blessed
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Baptism does not save you—only Jesus does. Jesus told the thief on the cross who was crucified alongside him that “today you will be with me in Paradise”. Jesus assured the thief that he would be with him in the afterlife. The man was not saved because of good works or rituals—nor any baptism ceremony—but because of his faith in Jesus. And that is exactly the same way we are saved.
For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; 9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]
Ephesians 2:8–9
Though baptism does not save you, the Bible is clear that those who choose to follow Jesus should take the step of baptism. If you are a believer and you have been putting off being baptized, talk to a church pastor, elder, or ministry leader about what is holding you back.
Believer’s Baptism (Rose Publishing, 2014).
Truther
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How is it… That baptism cannot save us, but it is in the name of Jesus and for the remission of sins per Acts chapter 2, verse 38?
Are we saved without remission of sins?
Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…
Truther
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If a person does not obey Peter per Acts 2:38, then they are not of the 3000 in the original first century church. They were in some modern faux church. They might as well be more Mormon, SDA, RCC or Jehovah witness or for that matter.
Every one of them skip baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. They have no remission of sins.
They are all merely offshoots of the Roman Catholic Church.
Every one of them skip baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. They have no remission of sins.
They are all merely offshoots of the Roman Catholic Church.
Okay there's been enough bickering here time to move on.
Aeliana
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Sorry about the bickering I'm moving on. The ignore button is a wonderful thing.
Yes it can be a pretty handy feature.
Blessed
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I'm sitting this one out, I didn't realize I was stepping into a minefield.
If you are not following him, you are not his sheep
brightfame52
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Ive shown you what I base my conviction on, you reject it obviously
brightfame52
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Dont have to appear for it to still be the Sheep, Sheep appeared in Jn 10, that laid the foundation as to who Jesus draws to Himself by His Death. When He says He must bring His Sheep in Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have[present tense], which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall[future tense] hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Well that's relatively the same as must draw in Jn 12:32
Doug Brents
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Of course the Holy Spirit is involved in salvation, He is, after all, one who actually cuts our sin from us and makes us pure (Col 2:11-14). But man cannot cause the Holy Spirit to act. All we can do is do what God has told us to do and trust that He will do what He said He would do. Yes, it is by the Spirit that we are brought into one Body, and we drink of the One Spirit, but we do so during baptism in water, as 1 Pet 3:21 says, and Acts 22:16 demonstrates.
No, I am not ignoring the Spirit at all. John's baptism was the basis of baptism in the Church. The baptism with fire has only happened twice in all of Human history (with Cornelius and on Pentecost). That baptism is not the standard baptism for the NT Church. The baptism that is the standard in the NT Church is done by man (Matt 28:19), requires water (1 Pet 3:21, Acts 8:36), and is the one during which we receive salvation (1 Pet 3:21, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16).
Doug Brents
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No, it is an action faith. Eph 2:8 says that we are saved by grace through faith. Baptism is an action of faith through which we receive salvation (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:19, 1 Pet 3:21), and I am not the one "adding" it. God made baptism the step we take during which we receive salvation (Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14).
What does it mean to "believe"? That word in Greek is "pistis" which means to have faith. It is not just having intellectual assent, but actually demonstrating our belief through our faith. Faith requires action to be real. If there is no action, then there is no faith. Yes, Paul told the jailer to believe, and then they taught him Christ (what to believe in), and then he was baptized into Christ immediately.
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