Firstborn, protokos in Colossians 1:15

[DavidTree]

Fact--In every Greek manuscript ever the true God is called a totally different Greek word than the Word is called--there is only 1 possible difference of why= God and god.

Fact = Deuteronomy 5:5-7

At that time I was standing between the LORD and you to declare to you the word of the LORD, because you were afraid of the fire and would not go up the mountain.
And He said: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
You shall have no other gods before Me.

Therefore any manuscript or gospel or bible version that says: "the Word was a god" is SIN

 

[DavidTree]

Fact = Deuteronomy 5:5-7

At that time I was standing between the LORD and you to declare to you the word of the LORD, because you were afraid of the fire and would not go up the mountain.
And He said: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
You shall have no other gods before Me.

Therefore any manuscript or gospel or bible version that says: "the Word was a god" is SIN

@Keiw1 , do you understand what was said here in Deut 5:5-7 ???

 

[TibiasDad]

No John said-THROUGH Jesus things were created= Jehovah created all things by himself( only power source) THROUGH his master worker=Jesus--this is bible reality. Jesus worked--Jehovah created.

The language does not support your argument. “By myself” does not, cannot mean, “the only power source”; it means, and can only mean, the only person involved. The Father desired creation and ‘by means of” (Greek dia- through, by means of) a singular person, “the Word”, who created “by himself” by his own powerful word!

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Fact--In every Greek manuscript ever the true God is called a totally different Greek word than the Word is called--there is only 1 possible difference of why= God and god.

What is the “totally different Greek word”?

Doug

 

[Keiw1]

Please provide an example at Joel 3:5 in the Septuagint that backs up your claim.

Joel is OT.

 

[Keiw1]

Did Jesus work in creating?

If not, then what work was He doing?

Jehovah created all other things by himself( only one with power and wisdom to create) through his master worker( Jesus)=Let us( =we) make man in our( = we) image(Gen1:26) but verse 27 is clear-HE ( not we) created.--Prov 8:27-28 Gods master worker( prov 8:30) gives HE 100% credit for creation in Prov 8.27-28 a couple spots)
There is 0 doubt in all creation it was Jesus( being who God sent) who was by Gods side during creation.
Its the 100% real meaning behind those scriptures.
When one looks up The Hebrew word that translated possessed at Prov 8:22= it comes up like this-Possessed( created)=That being who is Gods master worker who was by his side and God grew especially fond of him.( Prov 8:30)= created direct-first and last( only begotten( monogenes=unique)

 

[Keiw1]

Fact = Deuteronomy 5:5-7

At that time I was standing between the LORD and you to declare to you the word of the LORD, because you were afraid of the fire and would not go up the mountain.
And He said: “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
You shall have no other gods before Me.

Therefore any manuscript or gospel or bible version that says: "the Word was a god" is SIN

LORD in OT = YHVH(Jehovah) not Yeshua. LORD does not belong in Gods bible. Its fact.

 

[Keiw1]

@Keiw1 , do you understand what was said here in Deut 5:5-7 ???

All can see he was declaring the word of Jehovah( not speaking his own words but the words Jehovah told him to say) That is why he said- I am the Lord your God( he did not say LORD he said YHVH(Jehovah))
Yes no other gods-Gods--- yet there are many gods aren't there? So most are mislead by false gods because satan is blinding ones like you( 2 Cor 4:4). I back my words with scriptures and proven facts. 100% fact--your translations are altered. You need to relook.

 

[Keiw1]

The language does not support your argument. “By myself” does not, cannot mean, “the only power source”; it means, and can only mean, the only person involved. The Father desired creation and ‘by means of” (Greek dia- through, by means of) a singular person, “the Word”, who created “by himself” by his own powerful word!

Doug

Yes the only one with power and wisdom to create anything by himself. His creation doesnt have the power and wisdom. Only HE( NOT WE) Gen 1:26-27-(Prov 8:27-28= Gods master worker giving 100% credit to HE( God) for creating all things. Jesus is Gods master worker=The one who was beside God( 8:30) during the creation as Prov 8:22 on is explaining. The one whom God grew especially fond of=Jesus.( the being God sent)John 3:16-17)

 

[DavidTree]

LORD in OT = YHVH(Jehovah) not Yeshua. LORD does not belong in Gods bible. Its fact.

LORD in OT = YHWH
Yeshua in OT = Salvation
Yeshua in NT = Jesus

OT = YHWH is Salvation
NT = Lord JESUS

Since 'lord' does not belong in the bible we are only permitted to say = YHWH JESUS CHRIST

 

[Fred]

Joel is OT.

No kidding.
I never asserted otherwise.

 

[Fred]

Jehovah created all other things by himself( only one with power and wisdom to create) through his master worker( Jesus)

Thus, proving that Jesus was involved in the work of creation.
The Bible teaches the work of creation was done by God alone (Job 9:8; Isaiah 44:24).

 

[TibiasDad]

Yes the only one with power and wisdom to create anything by himself. His creation doesnt have the power and wisdom. Only HE( NOT WE) Gen 1:26-27-(Prov 8:27-28= Gods master worker giving 100% credit to HE( God) for creating all things. Jesus is Gods master worker=The one who was beside God( 8:30) during the creation as Prov 8:22 on is explaining. The one whom God grew especially fond of=Jesus.( the being God sent)John 3:16-17)

The Word is not created! He is the means of all that has been made, and nothing that has been made was made without him.

You cannot create yourself, and if “all things” are made by means of him, then it is impossible for him to be a created being.
Being uncreated is an attribute of only one type of being, God!


Doug

 

[Keiw1]

LORD in OT = YHWH
Yeshua in OT = Salvation
Yeshua in NT = Jesus

OT = YHWH is Salvation
NT = Lord JESUS

Since 'lord' does not belong in the bible we are only permitted to say = YHWH JESUS CHRIST

LORD all capitols in OT nearly 6800 spots, The God whom you profess to serve wants his name in every one of those spots--Not GOD or LORD as wicked men replaced Gods name with against his will. What don't you understand about that reality? Do you support Jesus' Fathers will?( Matt 7:21) = all that do use a translation that supports that will.

 

[Keiw1]

Thus, proving that Jesus was involved in the work of creation.
The Bible teaches the work of creation was done by God alone (Job 9:8; Isaiah 44:24).

By myself= the only being in existence with the power and wisdom to create anything.--You twist it because the darkness owns you.

 

[Keiw1]

The Word is not created! He is the means of all that has been made, and nothing that has been made was made without him.

You cannot create yourself, and if “all things” are made by means of him, then it is impossible for him to be a created being.
Being uncreated is an attribute of only one type of being, God!


Doug

Gods master worker= created direct-first and last=only begotten( monogenes=unique)--Possessed at Prov 8:22 means created.

 

[Fred]

By myself= the only being in existence with the power and wisdom to create anything.

you left out the part of actually doing it.

Incredible.

--You twist it because the darkness owns you.

You left the above out because the darkness dwells in the Watchtower and how oh you love their filth.
Keep drinking it.

 

[TibiasDad]

Gods master worker= created direct-first and last=only begotten( monogenes=unique)--Possessed at Prov 8:22 means created.

The Lord possessed me at the beginning of his work; or The Lord brought me forth at the beginning of his work is a better translation.

God’s wisdom is as eternal as he is! Otherwise, there was a time that God wasn’t wise!

Doug

 

[Keiw1]

The Lord possessed me at the beginning of his work; or The Lord brought me forth at the beginning of his work is a better translation.

God’s wisdom is as eternal as he is! Otherwise, there was a time that God wasn’t wise!

Doug

Prov 22 is about Gods master worker( Prov 8:300 = the one who was beside God during creation= Jesus.= created direct-first and last.

 

[DavidTree]

Prov 22 is about Gods master worker( Prov 8:300 = the one who was beside God during creation= Jesus.= created direct-first and last.

I,
אֲ‍ֽנִי־ (’ănî-)
Pronoun - first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew 589: 1) I (first pers. sing. -usually used for emphasis)

wisdom,
חָ֭כְמָה (ḥāḵ·māh)
Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 2451: 1) wisdom 1a) skill (in war) 1b) wisdom (in administration) 1c) shrewdness, wisdom 1d) wisdom, prudence (in religious affairs) 1e) wisdom (ethical and religious)

dwell together
שָׁכַ֣נְתִּי (šā·ḵan·tî)
Verb - Qal - Perfect - first person common singular
Strong's Hebrew 7931: 1) to settle down, abide, dwell, tabernacle, reside 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to settle down to abide 1a2) to abide, dwell, reside 1b) (Piel) 1b1) to make settle down, establish 1b2) to make or cause to dwell 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to lay, place, set, establish, settle, fix 1c2) to cause to dwell or abide

with prudence,
עָרְמָ֑ה (‘ā·rə·māh)
Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 6195: 1) shrewdness, craftiness, prudence

God the FATHER is a HE
CHRIST the SON is a HE
HOLY SPIRIT is a HE