civic
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Sometimes I think the Incarnation is more mind boggling than the Trinity. 2 in 1 vs 3 in 1. One nature, 3 Persons, Two natures , 1 Person.
Even in John 1, Jesus is not God
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Johann
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Something we have to apprehend by faith even though we do not fully understand it.
101G
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first ERROR of the Day. God speaking, Isaiah 1:14 "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."
did anyone say anything about angels?
see above..... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear.
AND? that has nothing to do with having a soul.
as said U need a refund.
101G.
101G
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EclipseEventSigns
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Of course. You write gibberish and then sit back smugly.
101G
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@Wrangler.
you said that the Lord Jesus is just a man. Matthew 23:8 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
well the term "Master" is
G2519 καθηγητής kathegetes (ka-thee-ǰee-tees') n.
1. a leader or guide, as one who instructs in the way one should go.
2. (figuratively) an instructor or rabbi.
3. one who starts, establishes, or institutes.
{most often used in the context of instruction}
[from a compound of G2596 and G2233]
KJV: master
Root(s): G2596, G2233
A. Call no man Master/Rabbi for ONE is your Master. now was the Christ called Master... as well as Lord". scripture, John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am." but did not the Lord Jesus say call no man "Master" well if he's just a Man as the rest of us, then what the Lord Jesus said about call someone "Master" is not true...... or unless he nnot a man like you and I...... (smile).
but in Definition #1. it states, 1. a leader or guide, as one who instructs in the way one should go. but did not the Lord Jesus say, only "ONE" is our Master? Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." but is not the Holy Spirit our "GUIDE"/Master? John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." is this not the Lord Jesus, the Spirit of TRUTH?
GUIDE: G3595 ὁδηγός hodegos (ho-d̮ee-ğos') n.
1. a conductor.
2. (figuratively) teacher.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G3598 and G2233]
KJV: guide, leader
and so, the Lord Jesus is the Only Teacher, who is the Holy Ghost/Spirit. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
KNOWING THAT, is not this one teacher is the Lord Jesus? let's see. John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:" John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
Rabbi ..... Teacher? .... now go figure. ..... (smile)
101G.
you said that the Lord Jesus is just a man. Matthew 23:8 "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren." Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
well the term "Master" is
G2519 καθηγητής kathegetes (ka-thee-ǰee-tees') n.
1. a leader or guide, as one who instructs in the way one should go.
2. (figuratively) an instructor or rabbi.
3. one who starts, establishes, or institutes.
{most often used in the context of instruction}
[from a compound of G2596 and G2233]
KJV: master
Root(s): G2596, G2233
A. Call no man Master/Rabbi for ONE is your Master. now was the Christ called Master... as well as Lord". scripture, John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am." but did not the Lord Jesus say call no man "Master" well if he's just a Man as the rest of us, then what the Lord Jesus said about call someone "Master" is not true...... or unless he nnot a man like you and I...... (smile).
but in Definition #1. it states, 1. a leader or guide, as one who instructs in the way one should go. but did not the Lord Jesus say, only "ONE" is our Master? Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ." but is not the Holy Spirit our "GUIDE"/Master? John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." is this not the Lord Jesus, the Spirit of TRUTH?
GUIDE: G3595 ὁδηγός hodegos (ho-d̮ee-ğos') n.
1. a conductor.
2. (figuratively) teacher.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G3598 and G2233]
KJV: guide, leader
and so, the Lord Jesus is the Only Teacher, who is the Holy Ghost/Spirit. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."
KNOWING THAT, is not this one teacher is the Lord Jesus? let's see. John 3:1 "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:" John 3:2 "The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him."
Rabbi ..... Teacher? .... now go figure. ..... (smile)
101G.
101G
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APAK
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Fantasies and dreams are just that..
The miracle of religious convenience and ignorance and political expedience, an incomprehensible device introduced and accepted not born out of scripture born out of ignorance of the word of God...and you believe this pagan idea over the word of God....
civic
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And Jesus called the unitarian pharisees pagan and didn't know God. So I can say the same with your beliefs but that gets us nowhere now does it ? We would both be just mudslinging at that point. So who is living in reality or fantasy ?
If I say that about you its unfruitful and vice versa. We should be discussing scripture and defending our beliefs without putting the other persons beliefs down.
APAK
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What, too funny.... now 'Unitarian Pharisees'...explain it to me...I know what you are deceptively doing here...
civic
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were the pharisees unitarians ? yes or no
GeneZ
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Tell me?
Are you in training to become an interrogator to break down Christians in the event of a socialism take over????? FYI.. You do not have to believe that the Trinity is coequal and co eternal to be saved.
The Trinity concept is a test to see whom of the saved are being led of the Spirit.
Not grasping it does not mean you are not saved.
It only means no one can know you are saved.
Glad I could straighten that out for you.
Wrangler
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What verse says this? None.
That's the point. It is IDOLATRY, manmade, not in God's word. Yet, trinitarians hold salvation as conditional on believing it or not. Scripture does not say this.
GeneZ
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The Pharisees believed there is one God. But they were never saved.
And out of envy and sense of a superiority complex, they assumed the position of being wiser than those whom God regenerated who had a simpler way of thinking.
APAK
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It is a question I posed to you as you introduced it. So again, I ask you to explain it as you believe they were called Unitarians.
APAK
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Are you now answering the question for civic?
GeneZ
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My pastor who taught from 4-5 languages.. and exegeted faithfully six days a week for his congregation....
One night, unexpectedly, in the middle of teaching, stopped a lesson.
And when silence was all we could hear; said the following.
'Dumb' ...... Can not get it."
(pause)
'Stupid' .... Will not get it."
That is the real problem.
I'm going to give you an example of how you refuse/fail to think with words said in the Bible, which reveal the truth without directly saying it.
A famous author once wrote a segment in a story as follows..
Only when she was the one walking upon the wooden floor upstairs,
that the planks would begin to buckle and creak.
For everyone else? It never happened."
Now, can you tell us why that character in the story was voted to be a candidate for Weight Watchers?
It does not tell us directly why.
But, can you tell?
grace and peace ...............
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GeneZ
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Not for Civic... But, for anyone reading along that knows what Civic was getting at.
You know? As in... God's Word asks for two or more witnesses?
Civic communicated with me just fine. But, confused you easily, assuming he was not making sense.
So, I wanted to show you that Civic was being clear for those who have ears to hear.
May God bless you....
TibiasDad
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You see, this is the approach that always shows the weakness of an argument: there are few things that can “proven” beyond doubt with a single verse.
Trinitarians do not say that a single verse proves our point, but that the entirety of scripture demonstrates that we have understood it correctly as the three personalities all being referred to as God, all doing things as God that only God can do.
Doug
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