Data on John 1:1
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brightfame52
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No its not temporal, its permanent, forever, everlasting destruction 2 Thess 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Pancho Frijoles
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Everlasting means that such state persists inasmuch as the conditions leading to that destruction persist.
Nobody can escape from hell…neither by money nor pleasures, addictions, popularity, wit, technology, political power, etc
Since there is no escape from hell, it can be considered everlasting… from the perspective of the sinner.
One example of this is the case of Jonah in the belly of a fish in the middle of the ocean. How can anyone escape from such situation?
Please notice the use of the metaphor Sheol and the term “forever” highlighted in green.
I cried out to the Lord because of my affliction,
And He answered me.
“Out of the belly of Sheol I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3 For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4 Then I said, ‘I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.’
5 The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6 I went down to the [a]moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O Lord, my God.
You obviously didn't even understand my question? But that is OK.
brightfame52
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Peterlag
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The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane if he had walked around saying he was God. But it was a threat for Jesus to claim to be the Messiah of God and also walk around doing miracles. Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
Peterlag
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“whoever has seen me has seen the Father" demonstrates that God was working so powerfully through Jesus and Jesus was demonstrating God’s character so clearly that when one looked at Jesus, it was as if you were looking at the Father. This concept is not too difficult to grasp, as we use language similar to this in our modern culture. For instance, if a son is displaying a characteristic similar to his father (named Jim) we might say, "You’re just like your Dad" or "Jim is that you?" or "I see your Dad in you." No one takes that to mean the son literally is Jim, but that he resembles Jim in some ways. This is how we should understand Jesus’ statements of his similarity with his Father. Jesus never taught that he is his Father, but rather taught God as someone different from himself and he revealed his Father clearly through his works and teachings.
101G
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Greeting to all,
The Lord Jesus is the Father in flesh as Son. just as John 1:1, Hebrew 1:3 and Philippians 2:6 of the N.T. clearly states. also from the O.T. Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 63:5 states. and definitely Genesis 1:1
and this Revelation is clearly revealed in the book of Revelation.
101G.
The Lord Jesus is the Father in flesh as Son. just as John 1:1, Hebrew 1:3 and Philippians 2:6 of the N.T. clearly states. also from the O.T. Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 63:5 states. and definitely Genesis 1:1
and this Revelation is clearly revealed in the book of Revelation.
101G.
Peterlag
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Damn Freaken Antichrist
101G
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(smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, well here is some more of the
"The Mediator"
The ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD, the Holy Spirit, who title is of the Lord Jesus. Scripture: 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" one more, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."To understand our Mediator, (the Lord Jesus), we start in the OT and see the concept there. Job 9:33 "Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both." here we see the concept of the MEDIATOR, for the term DAYSMAN here in the OT is the Hebrew word,
H3198 יָכחַ yakach (yaw-kach') v.
1. to be right (i.e. correct).
2. (reciprocal) to argue.
3. (causatively) to decide, justify or convict.
[a primitive root]
KJV: appoint, argue, chasten, convince, correct(-ion), daysman, dispute, judge, maintain, plead, reason (together), rebuke, reprove(-r), surely, in any wise.
101G's source for this definition above is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.
This definition says it all. For it reveal our two scriptures above, 1 Timothy 2:5 and Galatians 3:20. in 1 Timothy 2:5 it clearly states, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" so clearly we see that the Lord Jesus is the Mediator, but is he God….. (the Father?), we say yes, and here’s why. Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one." this is the answer, God is one, (but it’s the man Jesus the Christ who is the Mediator, Right?) ….. right, but the mediator is God. Many agree that the Lord Jesus is God, but the Son, the second person of the Godhead. We say no, he, (the Lord Jesus), is the ONLY TRUE and LIVING God who is the Mediator. here’s why we say this, or come to this conclusion.
In our definition above on the DAYSMAN from Job 9:33, we see that this word can be translated as reason (together). where have we hear this language used at before? Let the bible speak. Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Isaiah 1:19 "If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:" there it is “reason together”. how is the ONE that is the DAYSMAN here is the Father? Yes, the “LORD”, the Father, it's clearly in the scripture.. This is why we need to be bible detectives. For the bible clearly say this, Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" yes, here a little, there a little. Our Lord Jesus said, “Search the scripture”. John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
so, just doing a simple search of scripture, they reveal the MEDIATOR, who is the Father, the ONE TRUE and LIVING God, who came in Flesh as a man, GOD .... the Lord Jesus.
now, ain't the
YIKES!. just look at God revealing himself ..... even by the 101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the
Peterlag
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I see it this way...(smile), LOL, LOL, LOL, well here is some more of theanti-christ.
"The Mediator"The ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD, the Holy Spirit, who title is of the Lord Jesus. Scripture: 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" one more, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."
To understand our Mediator, (the Lord Jesus), we start in the OT and see the concept there. Job 9:33 "Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both." here we see the concept of the MEDIATOR, for the term DAYSMAN here in the OT is the Hebrew word,
H3198 יָכחַ yakach (yaw-kach') v.
1. to be right (i.e. correct).
2. (reciprocal) to argue.
3. (causatively) to decide, justify or convict.
[a primitive root]
KJV: appoint, argue, chasten, convince, correct(-ion), daysman, dispute, judge, maintain, plead, reason (together), rebuke, reprove(-r), surely, in any wise.
101G's source for this definition above is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.
This definition says it all. For it reveal our two scriptures above, 1 Timothy 2:5 and Galatians 3:20. in 1 Timothy 2:5 it clearly states, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" so clearly we see that the Lord Jesus is the Mediator, but is he God….. (the Father?), we say yes, and here’s why. Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one." this is the answer, God is one, (but it’s the man Jesus the Christ who is the Mediator, Right?) ….. right, but the mediator is God. Many agree that the Lord Jesus is God, but the Son, the second person of the Godhead. We say no, he, (the Lord Jesus), is the ONLY TRUE and LIVING God who is the Mediator. here’s why we say this, or come to this conclusion.
In our definition above on the DAYSMAN from Job 9:33, we see that this word can be translated as reason (together). where have we hear this language used at before? Let the bible speak. Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Isaiah 1:19 "If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:" there it is “reason together”. how is the ONE that is the DAYSMAN here is the Father? Yes, the “LORD”, the Father, it's clearly in the scripture.. This is why we need to be bible detectives. For the bible clearly say this, Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" yes, here a little, there a little. Our Lord Jesus said, “Search the scripture”. John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
so, just doing a simple search of scripture, they reveal the MEDIATOR, who is the Father, the ONE TRUE and LIVING God, who came in Flesh as a man, GOD .... the Lord Jesus.
now, ain't theanti-christ........ Good,anti-christ, get outta here.
101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA theanti-christ)
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
A mediator is the third party through whom agreement is reached between two parties previously in conflict with each other. Christ is the mediator of the new covenant, the one whose action makes the covenant possible, and who is the guarantor of its execution. Christ Jesus is the one functioning as a go between, in order to initiate a relationship with us because he is literally connected to both sides, and therefore he is set between God and us. It's our big brother Christ Jesus, who is the one who is acting as a guarantee—to secure something that otherwise would not be obtained. Christ is the better covenant, the new covenant, guaranteeing its terms for the Christian people before the almighty God. Christ Jesus is producing peace for the salvation of his Church and has made a promise of assurance that the new covenant will perform satisfactorily because he is the one who is set between God and us.
101G
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the way you see it is of no matter, nor the way 101G see it, but what God has already said.
STOP, is not God ONE? so how is Jesus the Mediator and yet God? for is not the Holy Spirit the INTERSESSOR? scripture, Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." now this, Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." AND THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR/INTERCESSOR. 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" is not Jesus the Holy Spirit? let's see, 2 Corinthians 3:15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart." 2 Corinthians 3:16 "Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away." 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
pete, pete, there is only one "Spirit". Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."
so pete, please explain to us how the Lord Jesus is both God and Mediator? can't wait to hear this...... (smile)
YIKES!101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the
Peterlag
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Jesus is not God. He's the mediator. Don't you listen to anything I say? I have told you from the beginning that Jesus is not God. Where did such an insane idea come from?the way you see it is of no matter, nor the way 101G see it, but what God has already said.
STOP, is not God ONE? so how is Jesus the Mediator and yet God? for is not the Holy Spirit the INTERSESSOR? scripture, Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." now this, Hebrews 7:25 "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." AND THERE IS ONLY ONE MEDIATOR/INTERCESSOR. 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" is not Jesus the Holy Spirit? let's see, 2 Corinthians 3:15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart." 2 Corinthians 3:16 "Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away." 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."
pete, pete, there is only one "Spirit". Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."
so pete, please explain to us how the Lord Jesus is both God and Mediator? can't wait to hear this...... (smile)
101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA theanti-christ).
brightfame52
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101G
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if he's not God, tell us is this the same one person, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." now this, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
is this the same one person in both scripture that, "MADE ALL THINGS", only a YES or NO is only needed.
101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the
Peterlag
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The logos is an “it” not a “him.” God made everything through and according to His logos, His plan and purpose, and with wisdom. The logos was God’s plan and purpose, especially as it was put into action and tied together with His wisdom.
Peterlag
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Would I not be consider insane if I walked around saying I was both my son and my father?
brightfame52
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Guess what, this aint about you partner
Peterlag
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The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane if he had walked around saying he was God.
brightfame52
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And ?
