Even in John 1, Jesus is not God

[EclipseEventSigns]

And......getting back to the original post's claim that "Jesus is not God" with the supposed evidence of John 1:1 there have been many evidences given that is not the case. Of course the one who made the original post and his supporter will not accept these as proofs. However, I'm surprised we have all fallen for their tactic and lost sight of the forest for the trees.

What is the their reason for trying to prove this? If they manage to be right, does that somehow negate all the other statements where Jesus is said to be God? For very clearly at the end of that same Gospel, John makes the statement that everything he has written is to give evidence for the deity of Jesus and that He is the source of eternal life.

[Jhn 20:31 LSB] ...but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

 

[civic]

And......getting back to the original post's claim that "Jesus is not God" with the supposed evidence of John 1:1 there have been many evidences given that is not the case. Of course the one who made the original post and his supporter will not accept these as proofs. However, I'm surprised we have all fallen for their tactic and lost sight of the forest for the trees.

What is the their reason for trying to prove this? If they manage to be right, does that somehow negate all the other statements where Jesus is said to be God? For very clearly at the end of that same Gospel, John makes the statement that everything he has written is to give evidence for the deity of Jesus and that He is the source of eternal life.

[Jhn 20:31 LSB] ...but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

Yes the source of Eternal Life is a great defender of His Deity. I did a study on this here.

Jesus is eternal life, He is life. We see this over and over again in the Apostle Johns writings. In Him was LIFE and that LIFE was the light of man. Life of the world, the Bread of LIFE,My words are spirit and they are LIFE, I AM the way,the truth and the LIFE,The LIFE was manifested and we proclaim to you the ETERNAL Life which was with the Father, and was manifested to us- The Prologue of 1st John. So we see that when John uses the phrase True God and Eternal Life together in 1 John 5:20 that He is referring to Christ as the closest antecedent making Him the True God and Eternal Life.

Also we see that when we search the NT that Eternal Life is never used of the Father without the Son but we see that Eternal Life is used over and over with Jesus where the Father is never mentioned. This makes a solid case for Jesus in 1 John 5:20 as the True God and Eternal Life.

1 John 5:20
20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true — even in his Son Jesus Christ. He(Jesus) is the true God and eternal life.
On behalf of seeing χριστος as the antecedent are the following arguments: (1) Although it is true that αληθινος θεος is not elsewhere referred to Christ, αληθεια is, and is so in Johannine literature (John 14:6).

29 Winer-Moulton, 195.
Further, αληθινος θεος is not a "constant.. epithet" as Winer supposes, being found only in John 17:3 and 1 John 5:20! (2) Christ is also said to be ζωη in John's writings John 11:25; 14:6; 1 John 1:1-2), an epithet nowhere else used of the Father. (3) The demonstrative pronoun, ουτος, in the Gospel and Epistles of John seems to be used in a theologically rich manner.30 Specifically, of the approximately seventy instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as forty- four of them (almost two-thirds of the instances) refer to the Son. Of the remainder, most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.31 What is most significant is that never is the Father the referent.For what it is worth, this datum increases the probability that ιησου χριστω is the antecedent in 1 John 5:20. 32 The issue cannot be decided on grammar alone. But suffice it to say here that there are no grammatical reasons for denying that αληθινος θεος is descriptive of Jesus Christ.



1st- Jesus is called God in the writings of John(1:1,20:28,1 John 5:20)

2nd- Jesus is called Eternal Life over and over again in Johns writings

3rd- John opens up his epistle with the Eternal life(Jesus) that was with the Father in the beginning and was manifest to the disciples(1 John 1:1-5)

4th- John ends his epistle with Jesus who is eternal life and only is eternal life found in Him who is the true God.

5th- never is eternal life used of the Father alone. When the Father is included the Son is always mentioned together with the Father making them equal. Equality with the Father was not something Jesus needed to grasp at as He already possessed complete Deity as God.(Phil 2, Col 2:9)

6th- John would not leave his readers with any ambiguity warning them to guard themselves from idols(5:21) So this would be clear his reference was to those who reject Jesus as the true God. They are the idoloters and antichrists John writes of in his epistles.

7th- Jesus is also the True God and the True one in 1 John. Jesus is the true light which brings light to all men (John 1:9) Jesus is the truth (John 14:6)Jesus is the true vine (John 15:1). Jesus is the true witness of God (John 18:37) He who is true (Revelation 3:7) Jesus is the faithful and true witness (Revelation 3:14)Jesus is Lord God Almighty, Just and true are your ways(Revelation 15:3) Jesus is faithful and true(Revelation 19:11).
8th- [In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3 . . . ) refer to the Son. Of the remainder, most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.31 What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent.FWIW, this datum increases the probability that ιησου χριστω IS the antecedent in 1 John 5:20. Wallace.

So the most logical conclusion is that it refers to Jesus as the true God. Not only is this Wallace's conclusion from Johns usage of outos but He is the closest antecedent (most times in the GNT this principal holds true). Eternal Life is never used of the Father alone in John’s writings and only a couple of times does John include the Father with the Son regarding eternal life. John opens up his epistles describing the "eternal life" who was with the Father in the beginning and then ends his epistle with eternal life identifying Jesus as the true God and eternal life. John then says this in the last verse:

1 John 5:21-Guard yourselves from idols

Now why would he leave any ambiguity in verse 20 as to the identity of the true God and eternal life then turn around commanding them to protect themselves from idolatry ? It make absolutely no sense whatsoever unless John is identifying Jesus as the true God and refuting the Gnostics of his day who denied the Incarnation.

More evidence from Scripture that Jesus is life, the source of that life and eternal life itself. Apart from Him there is no life. This cannot be said of a mere man now can it ?

John 1:4
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

John 5:39-40
39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, 40 yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

John 6:33
For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

John 6:35
35 And Jesus said unto them, I Am the bread of life:

John 6:47
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life.

John 6:51
51 I Am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:53
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 10:10
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, "I Am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I Am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

John 20:30-31
30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

1 John 1:1-2
1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life — 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us

1 John 5:12-13
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:20
20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in Him who is true — even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

And Jesus said no one knows the Father but through the Son. They are One in nature, essence, substance or being. You cannot have One without the Other. This can be said of no man unless that man is also God in the flesh which Jesus is indeed !

John 5:23
so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 6:45-51
Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. 46 "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. 48 "I am the bread of life. 49 "Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 "This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

John 10:14-16
4 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, 15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

John 10:25-30
"I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. 26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

John 10:38-39
38 but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." 39 Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp.

John 14:6
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

John 14:9
"Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 16:15
"All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

We can see from other passages from the same author the Apostle John that Jesus is called the eternal life. In 1st John 1 Jesus is called "the word of life", "the life" and "the eternal life which was with the Father" (verse 2). Jesus is life itself John 1:4 and He said the following "I am the way, the truth and the life!" He also said whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life (John 3:15). So we can see that Jesus by definition in I John 1:2 is "the eternal life", and in 1 John 5:20 is called "The true God and Eternal Life".

Jesus is the true vine (John 15:1)
Jesus is also the true light (John 1:9)
Jesus is faithful and true (Revelation 19:11)
Jesus is the faithful and true witness (Revelation 3:14)
Jesus is the truth (John 14:6)
Jesus is the true witness (John 18:37)
Jesus is He who is holy, He who is true(Revelation 3:7)

So I John 5:20 teaches us clearly that we are in the Son, Jesus Christ, and that He is the True One, even "the true God and Eternal Life".

 

[TibiasDad]

The question that never seems to ever get asked...

Why does the Trinity being coequal and co-eternal need to be that way?

Why not just God being solely one nature alone, and not have members with dual natures in union?

Probably because it is illogical, and because there is no reason to suppose that their unity of being in the same context, such as being eternally existent, can mean anything other than they are all God, since only God is eternally existent.

Doug

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus is not God... Jesus is also God!

(God is not after the simple minded, black and white, pseudo intellectual)

A healthy creative mind handles ambiguity well.
And, God is the ultimate Creative Thinker.

The concept of the Trinity demands we become more creative in our thought patterns!
It teaches us patience when it requires that we wait for more details to arrive to get parts
of the puzzle laid out before us, so we can begin to get a better view of the big picture.

And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed ​

into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." ​

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The Trinity was put in our lunch box by God for a healthy way to transformation into His image. The Mind of Christ.

Monotheists are boring and dull when it comes to knowing God. Its mental legalism. They also want to fit us with
their restrictive straight jacket on our souls as to not allow us to get too far out ahead of them. They can not control
what they can not understand.

In the mean while, we are ahead, behind, over and under, and all around them simultaneously, because God sees reason
to withhold the grace which is needed needed to see the Trinity for what it is.

We know the Trinity is real "by grace."

grace and peace ......................

 

[GeneZ]

Probably because it is illogical, and because there is no reason to suppose that their unity of being in the same context, such as being eternally existent, can mean anything other than they are all God, since only God is eternally existent.

Doug

Not, "Its illogical."
It initially "seems" illogical.

Logic takes on a totally new dimension when one enters into the realm of God's nature and understanding it.
Being baptized into the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit requires developing a new vocabulary and thinking in the
enabling power of the filing of the Spirit.

Religious people blindly presume, and assume, the right to demand equal status with the spiritual Christian.
They are like someone with two left feet, demanding to be allowed to enter into the dance contest and deny
and refuse to accept the outcome when refused the prize.

1 Corinthians 2:14


The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God
but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned
only through the Spirit..


grace and peace .................

 

[GeneZ]

Probably because it is illogical, and because there is no reason to suppose that their unity of being in the same context, such as being eternally existent, can mean anything other than they are all God, since only God is eternally existent.

Doug

Jesus's body was not eternal. His soul and Deity was.

The same soul that entered that body born of Mary to announce who his soul was always being
Communicated by means of the medium of communication provided by means of that body.

Jesus as a mere man was not eternally existing.
For that body was born of Mary.

It was His eternal union of soul and Deity that was inside that body that was the great "I AM."

Jesus was not referring to his human body when He declared that He was eternally existing before Abraham was born.
The words He spoke were spirit. Like when He said we must eat his flesh and drink his blood, were spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

You see, this is the approach that always shows the weakness of an argument: there are few things that can “proven” beyond doubt with a single verse.

You have identified the weakness backwards. A single verse proves there is only one God, the Father (1 COR 8:6). The lack of a single trinity verse, by contrast, is telling.

Rather than admit defeat, IDOLATORS rely on every machination to support what monotheist/unitarian text does not teach, including violating:

1. Definition
2. Logic
3. Language Usage
4. Explicit Scripture
5. Implications of Scripture underminining trinitarianism.

Integrated among all this is an appeal to mysticism and what I call artificial synthesis; taking bits of verses out of the unitarian/monotheist text from which they come and deriving via eisegesis whatever conclusion one wants.

I've asked several times in this thread with no takers; how can something (word) be WITH a person and BE that person? See the OP vid.

 

[Wrangler]

Sorry Wrangler but you don't think that's a pretty weak way of reasoning? It would still mean you're declaring you have the ability to do it .

Don't be sorry. Sometimes the winning argument is weak. Many court cases are decided on circumstantial evidence.

Having said that, the whole line of reasoning is what I call a back door attempt to rationalize a false doctrine. Why? Because even if Jesus were like the pagan Phoenix, it does not make him the one true God. John 17:3.

Also, many verses explictly define Jesus as a man and the son of God. Therefore, more ambiguous verses must be seen from the perspective of these explicit verses: the only true God is YHWH, who we relates to as father and Jesus is a man who is the son of God.

The idea that Jesus spoke about the one true God referring only to his Father to mean he was actually ALSO talking about the Holy Spirit and himself is an unconscionable abuse of language.

 

[101G]

The question that never seems to ever get asked...

Why does the Trinity being coequal and co-eternal need to be that way?

Why not just God being solely one nature alone, and not have members with dual natures in union?

if that's true. question. "how much of the Spirit, since co-equal, was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in flesh?" was it 1/3 for the person Son, or all of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), or none of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō').
what is your answer?

101G.

 

[Rowan]

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 1:18

No one can look at God. But Jesus made a way for us to see God. In Jesus, we clearly see how great our God is!

When Moses came down from Mount Sinai, having received the Ten Commandments from God, his face glowed. Being in God’s presence changed Moses so much that people were afraid to go near him unless he covered his face with a veil. Jesus hadn’t just been in God’s presence—He is God. Imagine how His face would have glowed, had He not “veiled” it with human flesh.

Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus Himself understood the speculation about His identity. He asked His disciples, "Who do people say that I am?" Matthew 16:13

Matthew also tell us before His birth that Jesus would be called "God with us" Matthew 1:23

The most important evidence for the deity of Jesus Christ is His resurrection. The resurrection sets Jesus apart from all other religious leaders and unquestionably shows Him to be God.

 

[GeneZ]

if that's true. question. "how much of the Spirit, since co-equal, was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in flesh?" was it 1/3 for the person Son, or all of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), or none of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō').
what is your answer?

101G.

What you are attempting to do does not define the reality of God.

Angels are spirit. God is spirit..

Angels are not God, though spirit.
God is not an angel, though spirit.

Must mean? There are different types of spirits like we have different types of flesh.

if that's true. question. "how much of the Spirit, since co-equal, was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in flesh?" was it 1/3 for the person Son, or all of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), or none of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). what is your answer? .

...... Now... how is anybody supposed to know what you were trying to say with that?

I had to guess what you were getting at.

 

[GeneZ]

Don't be sorry. Sometimes the winning argument is weak. Many court cases are decided on circumstantial evidence.

Like the case against Jesus...

The reality that Jesus is God makes you feel stupid if proven it so happens to be true.

So, your quest? Is to make Christians look stupid.

 

[Wrangler]

The reality that Jesus is God makes you feel stupid if proven it so happens to be true.

LOL. Projecting. The difference is Scripture says there is one God, the Father. It does not say Jesus is God - not even in John 1. See the difference?

 

[Frank Russell]

Circular Reasoning.

The truth is the trinity is not in the Bible - not the word and not the concept. There simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

The truth is every Biblical author with the possible exception of Luke were monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this day.

The truth is Jesus was a unitarian, a Jew born under the law required to believe in the monotheist God of the OT.

The truth is Jesus did not teach the trinity.

The truth is that Jesus is the adopted son of God - as we all are.

The truth is that even in John 1, Jesus is not God. I found a great new translation, REV, Revised English Version.


1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and what God was the Word was.a

2This Word was in the beginning with God.

3Everything came to be through it, and apart from it nothing came to be.b

4What came to be in it was life. And this life was the light of humankind.

5And the light shines in the darkness, but the darkness did not overcome it.


12But to as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave the right to become children of God,

13who were not born by blood,c nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of a man, but by God.


14The Word became flesh and dwelledd among us, and we have seen his glory—the glory as the only begotten Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.



18No one has ever seen God; the only begotten Son, who is in a most intimate relationship withf the Father, he has explained him.

The bible is like a mirror, it is phrased in a way for people to find the truth, or see whatever they want to.

Your theology is a reflection of your own personal journey.

 

[Bronson]

Jesus made extraordinary claims regarding Himself, making it impossible to marginalize Him to one of many ways. Throughout John’s gospel Jesus made several “I am” statements.

When Jesus made His “I AM” statements, the religious Jews understood that He was claiming to be God and rightly so.

I've always liked these from Josh McDowell.

If Jesus was not God but believed He was, He’s a Lunatic.
If Jesus was not God, knew it, but said so anyway, He’s a Liar.
If Jesus is who He said He is—God—then He is Lord.

I believe this is the most important argument in Christian apologetics for the deity of Christ. Truly, it’s more logical to believe in the divinity of Jesus than to suppose He was only an admirable man. Who is Jesus to you? Is He the only way, the only truth, and the only life?

But here's my favorite.

 

[GeneZ]

LOL. Projecting. The difference is Scripture says there is one God, the Father. It does not say Jesus is God - not even in John 1. See the difference?

Right now who is reigning as God over all creation?

Its not the Father.

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Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed ​

all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. ​

The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it ​

says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who ​

put everything under Christ." 1 Cor 15:24-27​

His Deity baptized humanity (Jesus), as I write, is being God over all creation. Its not God the Father!

Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God ​

himself, who put everything under Christ."​

Colossians 2:9

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."​

The one thing that He by means of His Deity-filled humanity is not reigning over?
Is Deity itself!

For his humanity and Deity are totally in agreement, and are one with what is needed to make all creation
conform to all his humanity desires it to be.. In other words? The Father FULLY trusts the Son in all he desires.

In the mean while...

The Father is twiddling his thumbs while having His Son take over being God over all creation in accordance to all the desires his humanity wishes..... Everything!

He is just the opposite as He had to be before going to the cross. That was when he made his soul to be a slave to the Father's desires
for justice and atonement for mankind. Jesus needed to suffer. Not reign.

Since Jesus being glorified? Deity has now become "the servant" of the will of His proven impeccable absolutely righteous, soul!

That speaks of someone who is not simply a man any longer. The man he was before the Cross required him to remain as a man.

That is why when you cite passages concerning the status of Jesus which were prior to his death, burial, resurrection, AND his ascension?
Ascension unto becoming glorified? You nor I will not be able to prove Him as being God!

And, for some sad reason? By too many Christians who also fail to see that as well. They stubbornly end up looking dumb, causing you to feel justified. While both of you end up throwing punches in the dark. Never connecting.

You are not getting the big picture. You have only understood up until the half way mark.

grace and peace .................

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus made extraordinary claims regarding Himself, making it impossible to marginalize Him to one of many ways. Throughout John’s gospel Jesus made several “I am” statements.

You read the story... "The Prince and the Pauper?"

Likewise... After taking on the position of the pauper, the prince made some statements speaking as if he were the prince.
Only to be met with jeering and laughter..

Likewise...

Jesus knew who he had been before making himself to become as a man, and stated so at times. Making it known to the confusion of those
only able to see him as a man.

 

[Bronson]

You read the story... "The Prince and the Pauper?"

Likewise... After taking on the position of the pauper, the prince made some statements speaking as if he were the prince.
Only to be met with jeering and laughter..

Likewise...

Jesus knew who he had been before making himself to become as a man, and stated so at times. Making it known to the confusion of those
only able to see him as a man.

I think I have pretty much read everything written by Mark Twain. If I remember correctly it's both a critique of social inequality and criticism of judging others by their appearance.

 

[APAK]

Not for Civic... But, for anyone reading along that knows what Civic was getting at.
You know? As in... God's Word asks for two or more witnesses?

Civic communicated with me just fine. But, confused you easily, assuming he was not making sense.
So, I wanted to show you that Civic was being clear for those who have ears to hear.


May God bless you....

I see you assume or presume a great deal about what other folks think. Another mind-reader. It's a common trend I'm now observing with you. I do expect it by now. And your writing comes off as a bit pompous and arrogant in the process.

So how do I identify with the Pharisees? By the introduction of, or with the planting of a definition of Unitarianism that seems to fit and what you read about the salvation of the Pharisees?

And then your logic would go something like this....
,
a, Unitarians believe in a one person God
b. Pharisees were not saved.
c. APAK believes in a one person God

Your deduction:
d. APAK is not or most probably not saved.

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[EclipseEventSigns]

LOL. Projecting. The difference is Scripture says there is one God, the Father. It does not say Jesus is God - not even in John 1. See the difference?

You keep stating this false assertion. Multiple times you have been shown to be incorrect. Yet, you simply ignore all of these proofs.