Even in John 1, Jesus is not God

[TibiasDad]

You have identified the weakness backwards. A single verse proves there is only one God, the Father (1 COR 8:6). The lack of a single trinity verse, by contrast, is telling.

1 Cor 8:4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

The context of the passage is talking about eating food sacrificed to idols. Paul starts his teaching by establishing that “idols are nothing at all”, meaning that they are not real, living, authoritative Gods. On the contrary, there is, for Christians, “only one God” and “one Lord”, namely the Father and Jesus Christ.

Notice that there are two people that are tied together to establish that there is but one God and one Lord. So this raises a couple of questions:

Are there two differing authorities, God and Lord? And which one is ultimate in Paul’s mind?

If there are two separate authorities, God, the Father, and Jesus Christ as Lord, can Lord, or master be anything other that the supreme authority? Is God less than Lord, or perhaps better, is it even possible that Lord can be someone other than God?

The whole argument is a comparison of pagan idol gods to whom Christians refer as their singular God; and singular God that is described as two people and two roles or titles. The “One God” is both Father God “and” Lord Jesus. There is no logical reason to include two people in the description of the One God unless you want to consider both as equals, both as God!


Doug

 

[GeneZ]

I think I have pretty much read everything written by Mark Twain. If I remember correctly it's both a critique of social inequality and criticism of judging others by their appearance.

That is something else, but true as well.

In the story the prince (who everyone thought was the pauper) spoke at least one time with the authority of knowing who he really was (like Jesus did) and he received ridicule, mocking.... and jesting from the people.

The prince (like Jesus) knew who he really was, and where he had come from.

That is why I brought up the comparison, since some here are only able to see Jesus as " a pauper" that he chose to become, and not as God where he had come from being.

I think Mark Twain was onto something...

 

[GeneZ]

You have identified the weakness backwards. A single verse proves there is only one God, the Father (1 COR 8:6).

And Jesus is God the Father being interpreted and revealed to mankind in an understandable form of being a man!
Jesus is 'exegeting' what is foreign to man by interpreting God the Father in a manner we as humans can relate to!

No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the ​

only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] ​

of the Father, He has declared Him ​

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[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; ​

He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].​

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John 1:18
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition​

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Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ​

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

Trinitarians do not play games of denial with those passages. For they have no need to.
For the Holy Spirit opens the eyes of one's heart if we are humble before God concerning the matter.
We are made not afraid to be seen as foolish in the eyes who are only able to think on a soulish level.


grace and peace ..............

 

[GeneZ]

I see you assume or presume a great deal about what other folks think. Another mind-reader. It's a common trend I'm now observing with you. I do expect it by now. And your writing comes off as a bit pompous and arrogant in the process.

So how do I identify with the Pharisees? By the introduction of, or with the planting of a definition of Unitarianism that seems to fit and what you read about the salvation of the Pharisees?

And then your logic would go something like this....
,
a, Unitarians believe in a one person God
b. Pharisees were not saved.
c. APAK believes in a one person God

Your deduction:
d. APAK is not or most probably not saved.

From a simpleton as your writing indicates, I do expect this trash and meaningless chatter.

The irony of all this?

The one you see as the One person God?

Is the Lord Jesus Christ, who reveals the Father to man.

No one has ever seen God.
The One and Only Son—
the One who is at the Father’s side—
He has revealed Him. ..........John 1:18

Without that being the case?
You could not see whom you think is the One person God.

Yes! If you see Him? You are seeing the Father in Him being revealed through Him.

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).


No one is saying you are not saved. At least I am not.
Its just that one can know with certainty you are saved
if you keep taking your anti-trinity stance as you do.

You still can be saved.

 

[synergy]

You have identified the weakness backwards. A single verse proves there is only one God, the Father (1 COR 8:6). The lack of a single trinity verse, by contrast, is telling.

The original Greek text had no commas so 1 Cor 8:6 is proclaiming that there is one God the Father. That is a perfect Trinitarian verse. Keep those Trinitarian verses coming!

 

[civic]

The original Greek text had no commas so 1 Cor 8:6 is proclaiming that there is one God the Father. That is a perfect Trinitarian verse. Keep those Trinitarian verses coming!

Yes the Shema in the N.T. - The Creator who is the One Lord, One God of the Bible as opposed to the fasle lords,gods,christs

 

[101G]

What you are attempting to do does not define the reality of God.

Angels are spirit. God is spirit..

Angels are not God, though spirit.
God is not an angel, though spirit.

Must mean? There are different types of spirits like we have different types of flesh.




...... Now... how is anybody supposed to know what you were trying to say with that?

I had to guess what you were getting at.

so we can take this as you have no answer.

now what's so hard to understand? if the Son (as you believe is a separate person) was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') PER PHIL. 2:7 1. to make empty. while in flesh on Earth. Question, "HOW MUCH OF THE "ONE" SPIRIT WAS G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') FOR THE SON WHILE ON EARTH IN FLESH. that's an easy question to answer, since you cannot 101G will answer it. all of the Spirit that is God as the Ordinal Last of the ECHAD. see how easy that was? but you didn't know or had a clue. ... did U? this is why the trinity is a false doctrine. many who believe this trinity doctrine cannot answer that question. because it destroys their false belief. and it do.

101G.

 

[101G]

Yes the Shema in the N.T. - The Creator who is the One Lord, One God of the Bible as opposed to the fasle lords,gods,christs

and @synergy,
is not the Lord Jesus the CREATOR of the OLD, and now present CREATION in the Shema at Deut. 6:4 as the LORD, all caps. and is not he the CREATOR of the NEW CREATION in him as is now and to Come? let's see. Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." this is the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne. now this Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."

now who is the CREATOR of the NEW HEAVEN and the NEW EARTH? is it the Lord, per Revelation 21:5 or the LORD, per Isaiah 66:22.

question is this the same "ONE" person or did the bible make an ERROR? .... your answers fellas.

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Yes the Shema in the N.T. - The Creator who is the One Lord, One God of the Bible as opposed to the fasle lords,gods,christs

Exactly. I Cor 8:5-6 in the Aramaic Peshitta is another place of many where the Name of God, the tetragrammaton occurs in the Aramaic text. The Greek text NEVER once has the tetragrammaton in the New Testament.

For although there are what are called gods, whether in heaven, or on earth, (as there are gods many, and lords many,) yet to us, on our part, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Yah ["marya"], Jesus the Messiah, by whom are all things, and we also by him.

Analysis of Peshitta verse '1Corinthians 8:6'

dukhrana.com

 

[101G]

Exactly. I Cor 8:5-6 in the Aramaic Peshitta is another place of many where the Name of God, the tetragrammaton occurs in the Aramaic text. The Greek text NEVER once has the tetragrammaton in the New Testament.

For although there are what are called gods, whether in heaven, or on earth, (as there are gods many, and lords many,) yet to us, on our part, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Yah ["marya"], Jesus the Messiah, by whom are all things, and we also by him.

Analysis of Peshitta verse '1Corinthians 8:6'

dukhrana.com

if what you say is true, if you will, reply to post #408 please.

101G.

 

[101G]

@GeneZ, @Wrangler, @APAK .

if you fellas don't mind ....... please reply to Post #408. thanks in advance.

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

and @synergy,
is not the Lord Jesus the CREATOR of the OLD, and now present CREATION in the Shema at Deut. 6:4 as the LORD, all caps. and is not he the CREATOR of the NEW CREATION in him as is now and to Come? let's see. Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful." this is the Lord Jesus who sits on the throne. now this Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."

now who is the CREATOR of the NEW HEAVEN and the NEW EARTH? is it the Lord, per Revelation 21:5 or the LORD, per Isaiah 66:22.

question is this the same "ONE" person or did the bible make an ERROR? .... your answers fellas.

101G.

Yes, the Greek New Testament text can be confusing as it NEVER has the tetragrammaton in it at all. But the Aramaic Peshitta (very likely the original text that was originally authored) has the tetragrammaton many, many times - and usually associated with Jesus.

Isaiah 66:22 - Isaiah uses the tetragrammaton (Yahweh)
In Revelation, every place where there is "Lord", it is the word "marya" which is "Lord Yah" or "Master Yah". It is the shortened tetragrammaton which is commonly used in Aramaic.

Example:
He who testifieth these things, saith: Yes, I come quickly. Amen. Come, Lord Yah ("marya") Jesus! The grace of our Lord Yah ("marya") Jesus the Messiah, [be] with all the saints. Amen
Rev 22:20-21

Analysis of Peshitta verse 'Revelation 22:20'

dukhrana.com

 

[101G]

Yes, the Greek New Testament text can be confusing as it NEVER has the tetragrammaton in it at all. But the Aramaic Peshitta (very likely the original text that was originally authored) has the tetragrammaton many, many times - and usually associated with Jesus.

Isaiah 66:22 - Isaiah uses the tetragrammaton (Yahweh)
In Revelation, every place where there is "Lord", it is the word "marya" which is "Lord Yah" or "Master Yah". It is the shortened tetragrammaton which is commonly used in Aramaic.

Example:
He who testifieth these things, saith: Yes, I come quickly. Amen. Come, Lord Yah ("marya") Jesus! The grace of our Lord Yah ("marya") Jesus the Messiah, [be] with all the saints. Amen
Rev 22:20-21

Analysis of Peshitta verse 'Revelation 22:20'

dukhrana.com

so, is the person in Isaiah 66:22 the same one Person in Revelation 21:5 who "MAKES ALL THINGS NEW", yes or no?

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

so, is the person in Isaiah 66:22 the same one Person in Revelation 21:5 who "MAKES ALL THINGS NEW", yes or no?

101G.

The text is pretty clear.

 

[101G]

The text is pretty clear.

yes, 101G know this. my question is this "is this the same one Person?" a yes or no will do. thanks in advance.

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

yes, 101G know this. my question is this "is this the same one Person?" a yes or no will do. thanks in advance.

101G.

I don't understand what you are getting at. Read the two texts. The answer is very clear.

 

[101G]

I don't understand what you are getting at. Read the two texts. The answer is very clear.

I have read the text. and the answer is clear to 101G. which is why he asks, "is this the same one person in both verses.... a yes or no is only needed.

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

I have read the text. and the answer is clear to 101G. which is why he asks, "is this the same one person in both verses.... a yes or no is only needed.

101G.

After reading the texts, what is YOUR answer. Not interested in your silly gotcha games.

 

[101G]

After reading the texts, what is YOUR answer. Not interested in your silly gotcha games.

so, we can take these excuses you made as you're scared to tell the truth? thought so. but no matter. MY Answer? the same answer the bible gives.... YES, "IT'S THE SAME ONE PERSON". see how easy that was. no need to go around the world. a simple YES, or NO was asked, and you could not provide that. no problem...... NEXT, you're dismissed.

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

so, we can take these excuses you made as you're scared to tell the truth? thought so. but no matter. MY Answer? the same answer the bible gives.... YES, "IT'S THE SAME ONE PERSON". see how easy that was. no need to go around the world. a simple YES, or NO was asked, and you could not provide that. no problem...... NEXT, you're dismissed.

101G.

Whatever, bub. The answer was very clear.