Even in John 1, Jesus is not God
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APAK
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I've been preaching 90 percent of this view for years now.
I love the NEV translation of John1 :1-4
(Joh 1:1) In the beginning was the word logos, and the word was towards God, and the word was Divine.
(Joh 1:2) This existed, in the beginning, with God.
(Joh 1:3) All things created came into existence on account of it; and without it nothing created came into existence.
(Joh 1:4) In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
And I agree that John 1:1c describes the quality core of God - being divine as his word.
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Wrangler
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I could not find the NEV. I found NIV and NET.
APAK
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NEV - New European Version is a Christadelphian translation based upon the KJV and RV with clear differences as I have shown you here.
It is actually free and they will send it to your doorstep free of charge.
Carelinks Outreach Inc
125-03 133rd Ave
South Oak Park, NY 11420
I've the 4th edition of 2017
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APAK
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@Wrangler. the exact front outer cover title is called: HOLY BIBLE subtitle: New European Version with commentary
It is a light lime green cover, front and back
it is by Duncan Heaster
It is send all around the world...as an outreach mission device to reach others...Published in Australia and England
101G
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the NARRATOR LIE. "With" in the Godhead do not prove something or someone else. ERROR. let the bible teach us the term "With" concerning God and the Word. ALWAYS LET THE HOLY SPIRIT TEACH US.
Scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
now, according to the Narrator of the video, the Last in Isaiah 41:4 must be someone else, or something else beside the "LORD" who is the First. .... right. well let's see if the Narrator is correct.
Scripture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
this just exposed the Narrator LIE. "with" can be the same one Person just as John 1:1 states.
let the bible expose the LIES of Men.
101G.
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101G
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you been preaching 90 precent of a LIE. see my post above. you need to repent and Learn God via the Holy Spirit.
101G.
APAK
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Well hesitancy aside and I also am the same as you regarding the KJV - this NEV DOES CORRECT many of its errors. There are many translations that followed the err path of the KJV. Just have to know about these errs. Remember, there is the other major ingredient of the RV embedded in it.
Up to you. I do not see it as a deterrent in acquiring it. It can be a very good learning tool and experience.
Yes, you can get this NEV as a free app on e-Sword. I do have it there as well.
Doug Brents
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Pure, unadulterated, Satan-breathed trash.
If Jesus is not God, then He cannot be the savior of mankind.
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APAK
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As you say Doug. I would suggest you get into your Bible and read and understand more with the guidance and a prayer to the Spirit of the Father through his Son, as the Son now has been granted permission to 'hold' be 'seated' at/with the Father's spirit, in his hands (right hand of God's spirit)...my opinion only of course
APAK
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I have to find my edit decoder helmet to understand your post. Do you have one? Have not a clue what you are saying. IMO
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Wrangler
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Wrangler
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We all need one of thie decoder helmet's.
More Dr. Seus. Ever watch Boston Legal? William Shatner plays a guy who always says his own name as though it is the universal answer or explanation to every conceivable question. "Danny Crane." This reminds me of certain posts.
Doug Brents
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We can see from the passage in Revelation 20:10 the punishment for sin is an eternal punishment. This begs the question: if Jesus really paid the eternal penalty in our place then why is he not still in hell paying the eternal penalty on our behalf? If our names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life, then our punishment will be eternal separation. Why did Jesus only pay the payment once if the punishment is supposed to be eternal?
The answer is because Jesus is an eternal being (John 8:23; John 17:5). Because Jesus was not only man, but the eternal God (Col 1:15; Philp 2:8-9), he could pay the eternal penalty once. The Bible declares all other beings as created; therefore, not eternal (Col 1:16). If a created being is not eternal and yet an eternal penalty is demanded by a just, holy, and eternal God, then it only goes to reason that they must continuously pay for it through eternity as Revelation 20:10 depicts. However, because our Lord is unique and does contain an eternal essence, then his atoning sacrifice was able to satisfy the Law’s eternal demand, once and for all (Heb. 10:12). That is why Jesus’ eternal and divine nature is so crucial!
If the Jesus you are placing your faith in for the atonement of your sins is a created being (who is the first of many or has not always eternally existed); then, unless you are willing to consent to the notion that he will remain in hell for all of eternity in order to atone for your sin, he lacks the eternal essence necessary to provide an authentic, “once and for all,” substitutionary atonement. He is just a counterfeit. Jesus himself spoke specifically to this subject while confronting the religious leaders if his time. In John 8, he warned them with, “23 . . . . Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
Further, if Jesus is not the eternal God, then His atonement would only be satisfactory for one person's sin. A finite being can only atone for a finite amount of sin. But an infinite being can atone for an infinite amount of sin, ie: the sin of the whole world.
To believe that Jesus is not God makes the person in whom you believe a fake or false Christ, and is akin to trying to use counterfeit currency. Although the counterfeit bill may look very similar to the real thing in many ways, in the end, it is worth nothing because its source lacks the authenticity necessary for a legally valid transaction to occur. It was created for only one purpose: to intentionally deceive people into believing that what they possessed had value, but in the end it is proved to be worthless. This is true even if the possessor of the currency was unaware that what they possessed was a counterfeit.
civic
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Amen as Psalm 49:7 makes it clear no man can redeem the life of another man it’s impossible.
“No one can by any means redeem another Or give God a ransom for him“
This verse alone refutes unitarian theology. Since their jesus is only a man then he cannot redeem a single man let alone the whole world.
hope this helps !!!
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Wrangler
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In other words, no verse states what you claim.
101G
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(smile) yes, the Holy Spirit, try that Helmet. and by the way, what so HARD to understand about Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
the First is "WITH" the Last? is there something wrong with the English here?
Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
the only thing wrong here is your Lack of READING the TRUTH. for these verses has destroyed your unitarian belief. so John 1:1 is correct all the WAY. it is men who are IGNORANT of God's Holy Word. these verses in Isaiah proves John 1:1 correct in "with" and is God. ONE PERSON in the ECHAD. when men learn the ECHAD of God then they will know the TRUTH.
so excuses want change the word of God. men must change..... and it's called "REPENTANCE".
101G.
This is the version they will be using in hell as they discuss their error.
APAK
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