Even in John 1, Jesus is not God

[GeneZ]

who said God is a TRINITY? but to what 101G is saying, "Lord" in verse 5 is,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.

well now, how is the "Lord" here in the emphatic form of H113, "My Lord" in verse 1?

101G.
Root(s): H113

The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." Psalm 110 1


Jesus is our mediator between us and God. He takes what He knows about the Father by means of His Deity, and then interprets what we can not perceive about God and makes God knowable to men by means of his humanity interpreting God through a man who fully knows both God and man! (John 1:18) For the Lord Jesus Christ is both fully man, and fully God!

It was the pre-incarnate Jesus who was being the Lord of David, who communicated to David what the Lord's Lord (the Father) wanted to be made known to David.

Without Jesus being God's interpreter of Himself to man, as a man can? God would be flabbergasting and confusing to our finite minds.

 

[101G]

Jesus is our mediator between us and God. He takes what He knows about the Father by means of His Deity,

as soon as you said that, you step into polytheism.

101G

 

[GeneZ]

as soon as you said that, you step into polytheism.

101G

How so?

 

[101G]

How so?

You said, "Jesus is our mediator between us and God. He takes what He knows about the Father by means of His Deity."
Deity: 1. a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion). 2. divine status, quality, or nature. 3. the creator and supreme being (in a monotheistic religion such as Christianity).

when you said "God" and then in reference to the mediator... "His Deity", you separated the two. you have two deities. and two deities is polytheistic by definition.

Maybe you want to restructure your statement?

101G.

 

[GeneZ]

You said, "Jesus is our mediator between us and God. He takes what He knows about the Father by means of His Deity."
Deity: 1. a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion). 2. divine status, quality, or nature. 3. the creator and supreme being (in a monotheistic religion such as Christianity).

when you said "God" and then in reference to the mediator... "His Deity", you separated the two. you have two deities. and two deities is polytheistic by definition.

Maybe you want to restructure your statement?

101G.

A true mediator has the attributes of both parties.

What is a true mediator?​

This coming together of God and man in Jesus of Nazareth makes Him the true mediator, ​

the one who is both God and man at the same time and therefore is able to bring about ​

reconciliation between humanity and God. He overcomes sin and death which lie between ​

God and us."​

https://diolc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/How-is-Jesus-the-Mediator-between-God-and-Humanity.pdf​

I have no idea how you went ahead and misconstrued that into being polytheism.

 

[101G]

A true mediator has the attributes of both parties.

What is a true mediator?​

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This coming together of God and man in Jesus of Nazareth makes Him the true mediator, ​

the one who is both God and man at the same time and therefore is able to bring about ​

reconciliation between humanity and God. He overcomes sin and death which lie between ​

God and us."​

https://diolc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/How-is-Jesus-the-Mediator-between-God-and-Humanity.pdf​

I have no idea how you went ahead and misconstrued that into being polytheism.

the Mediator is God himself in the ECHAD, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

101G.

 

[GeneZ]

the Mediator is God himself in the ECHAD, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

101G.

That is stating that God is an exception to that rule!

The Trinity is unique.

Its three, but One.

 

[101G]

That is stating that God is an exception to that rule!

The Trinity is unique.

Its three, but One.

if so, is the person in John 1:3 "who made all things is the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 "Who made all things?" yes or no

your answer please, a yes or no will do.

101G.

 

[GeneZ]

if so, is the person in John 1:3 "who made all things is the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 "Who made all things?" yes or no

your answer please, a yes or no will do.

101G.

Here's the key.... Its the same SOUL. The SOUL that entered the body born of Mary to make himself become as a man!

The dual nature of the Lord God of Israel existed eternally before the Incarnation took place.

Here are a few passages from the Torah to show the Lord had two natures in union prior to the Incarnation.
The Incarnation simply gave the Soul of the Lord God a body to manifest and make himself become as a man.

Keep on mind!

God is 'spirit' in essence.

God's essence is not, 'soul.

But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship ​

the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. ​

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:23-24​

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Now..​

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Here are some passages that present the dual nature (Deity and Soul) of the Lord God of Israel found in the OT text.​

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And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, ​

so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16​

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Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone ​

loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5​

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“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, ​

the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred ​

meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble ​

to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

That is the same soul Jesus said was eternally existing before Abraham was born! John 8:58

 

[GeneZ]

the Mediator is God himself in the ECHAD, Galatians 3:20 "Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

101G.

Just to clarify on another point..


Jesus is the mediator between Two. Man and God - God and man.

He is not a mediator amongst Himself in the Godhead.

Its the humanity of Christ having full cognizance of being Deity, that mediates between God and man, for man. Two!

 

[101G]

Here's the key.... Its the same SOUL. The SOUL that entered the body born of Mary to make himself become as a man!

The dual nature of the Lord God of Israel existed eternally before the Incarnation took place.

Here are a few passages from the Torah to show the Lord had two natures in union prior to the Incarnation.
The Incarnation simply gave the Soul of the Lord God a body to manifest and make himself become as a man.

Keep on mind!

God is 'spirit' in essence.

God's essence is not, 'soul.

But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship ​

the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. ​

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:23-24​

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​

Now..​

​

Here are some passages that present the dual nature (Deity and Soul) of the Lord God of Israel found in the OT text.​

​

​

And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, ​

so that his soul became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16​

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​

Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone ​

loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5​

​

​

“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, ​

the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred ​

meeting. Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble ​

to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14​

That is the same soul Jesus said was eternally existing before Abraham was born! John 8:58

so it's the same ONE soul/Person? yes or no.


101G.

 

[101G]

He is not a mediator amongst Himself in the Godhead.

why not? is he not "LORD", the Ordinal First, and the "Lord", the Ordinal Last?

Its the humanity of Christ having full cognizance of being Deity, that mediates between God and man, for man. Two!

ERROR, what rose was Spiritual, and incorrupt. and as for HUMANITY, are we not of him... and in his Image? so, the Humanity angle is out the door. an as for Deity, is he not the "advocate" the Holy Spirit? ... 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
and the Greek term for advocate is,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

who is our "INTERCESSOR" and "COMFORTER?" that's right the Lord Jesus. for a Mediator is also called a intercessor, advocate. this can be found out here, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/mediator.html#C0-1 when MEDIATOR is used as a Noun, "One who negotiates between parties seeking mutual agreement". so, the Lord Jesus is not only Mediator, but also intercessor, and advocate.

knowing this..... you know what this mean right? two of your trinity persons is the same one person..... (smile).

101G.

 

[GeneZ]

so it's the same ONE soul/Person? yes or no.


101G.

Soul is humanity.
The real you that is everlasting is your soul. Not your body.
The body is only a means for a soul to navigate the world the Lord has your soul in.
If you are placed in a material world? Your body will need to consist of matter to be a part of it.

The soul is immaterial, yet alive with God.

After all..

God saved your soul. Not your body.
Will you cease to exist when your soul leaves your body?

Soul is one kind of person.
Angels are 'spirit' and they are another kind of person.

 

[101G]

Soul is humanity.

are you sure? God speaking, Isaiah 1:14 "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."

The soul is immaterial, yet alive with God.

After all..

God saved your soul. Not your body.
Will you cease to exist when your soul leaves your body?

Soul is one kind of person.
Angels are 'spirit' and they are another kind of person.

101G did not ask you that, he asked if the PERSON/Soul in John 1:3 is the same one Person/Soul in Isaiah 44:24 that made all things. now can you please agree, or disagree, by saying "YES" it's the same one Person/Soul, or "NO" it's not the same Person/Soul.

now your answer please....

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." Psalm 110 1

Proving Jesus is NOT the LORD, aka NOT almighty God.

 

[Doug Brents]

Proving Jesus is NOT the LORD, aka NOT almighty God.

Yet there is only ONE Lord, Is Jesus Lord? or is the Father Lord? Which is it?

They are one and the same. Father = Lord. Jesus = Lord. Holy Spirit = Lord. For they are ALL the same God.

 

[Wrangler]

Yet there is only ONE Lord, Is Jesus Lord? or is the Father Lord? Which is it?

I've explained this numerous times. Although there are many mayors, for YOU in the city you live in, there is only one mayor.

Capital-LORD does not refer to the meaning of lowercase lords. It is a way to substitute the divine and eternal name of God, YHWH.

Therefore, there is only one God, YHWH, who we relate to as father. And there is one mayor of Christianville, Jesus. So simple, even a trinitarian can understand it.

I swear the creative ways trinitarian's attempt to back door their doctrine contrary to Scripture and reason is something to behold. If Jesus is the one Lord, it means the trinity is wrong because there is no room for the often forgotten Holy Spirit. Your post wreaks of 2 gods, the Dynamic Duo - and 2 a trinity does not make.

 

[GeneZ]

.101G did not ask you that,

Are you his proxy poster?

Siamese twins?

 

[GeneZ]

I've explained this numerous times. Although there are many mayors, for YOU in the city you live in, there is only one mayor.

Capital-LORD does not refer to the meaning of lowercase lords. It is a way to substitute the divine and eternal name of God, YHWH.

Therefore, there is only one God, YHWH, who we relate to as father. And there is one mayor of Christianville, Jesus. So simple, even a trinitarian can understand it.

I swear the creative ways trinitarian's attempt to back door their doctrine contrary to Scripture and reason is something to behold. If Jesus is the one Lord, it means the trinity is wrong because there is no room for the often forgotten Holy Spirit. Your post wreaks of 2 gods, the Dynamic Duo - and 2 a trinity does not make.

To reveal that you are able to know so much? ...

Yet, to know so little as you should?

Scares me to think what will happen when Jesus looks you right in the eyes...
When the time comes? He will short circuit the bs'ing part of your brain when it happens.
And, Satan will be locked up.

No one there to assist and inspire you anymore.

 

[101G]

101G did not ask you that, he asked if the PERSON/Soul in John 1:3 is the same one Person/Soul in Isaiah 44:24 that made all things. now can you please agree, or disagree, by saying "YES" it's the same one Person/Soul, or "NO" it's not the same Person/Soul.

now your answer please....

Are you his proxy poster?

Siamese twins?

(Smile), so we can take this as you don't know or cannot answer?

101G.