Even in John 1, Jesus is not God

[101G]

Echad can also mean to be one, as in being unique. As in, there is only one God who is a trinity in His manifestation.

Echad (unique) was used to contrast and differentiate the God of Israel from the common pagan polytheistic beliefs.

A "kind of" example might be seen with the mild mannered reporter, Clark Kent, and Superman, as being one.

(smile), but 101G will stick with what the bible states, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" is this unique? notice, it states ONE 'LORD", not ONE 'GOD". but the verse states one LORD, who the "LORD" is God. so let's look at the definition and see.
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

Definition #2. is our answer. let's see it in scripture. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." sound like two person.... correct? WRONG. because Isaiah 48:12 states, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." and also means, in addition; too. addition too? yes, which indicate more than one, no, but the same ONE in Ordinal designation. ie... First and Last, just as Isaiah 41:4 and 48:12 above proves out.

101G.

 

[101G]

You’re pernicious in disregarding our lords words. He did not add such a qualifier.

Yet, Revelations tells us that even in heaven, Jesus is not God and less than God. We know this because verse 1 informs us God gave Jesus the revelation.

ok, let's prove this out. is it Jesus the Son who sits on the throne or is it the Father who sits on the throne?
your answer please.

101G.

 

[civic]

ok, let's prove this out. is it Jesus the Son who sits on the throne or is it the Father who sits on the throne?
your answer please.

101G.

I see a GIANT DILL PICKLE

 

[Doug Brents]

You’re pernicious in disregarding our lords words. He did not add such a qualifier.

Yet, Revelations tells us that even in heaven, Jesus is not God and less than God. We know this because verse 1 informs us God gave Jesus the revelation.

To arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is not God because of Rev 1:1 is to ignore dozens of other passages (see post 138 above for a few of them). God is a title, like human. You are no less human just because I am human. Jesus is no less God just because the Father is God.

 

[civic]

To arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is not God because of Rev 1:1 is to ignore dozens of other passages (see post 138 above for a few of them). God is a title, like human. You are no less human just because I am human. Jesus is no less God just because the Father is God.

Its called burying ones head in the sand.

 

[Rowan]

Its called burying ones head in the sand.

And thinking all is grand. The idea is that an ostrich believes that if it cannot see any danger, the danger is not there.

Not so with us Christians. We are to be courageous.

I can do all things through Christ, because he gives me strength. Philippians 4:13

We have the shield of faith and the sword of the spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

even though the Prophets and Apostles were the ones putting pen to paper, they were not the source of the words that resulted.

You’re reaching in a vain attempt to redefine what it means to author a book.

All Biblical authors are witnesses. Their writing is their testimonials.

Scripture says it is inspired by God - not written by God. There is no reason to go beyond what Scripture says and Scripture says this.

Mark 7:13

New Living Translation

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13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”

 

[Wrangler]

To arrive at the conclusion that Jesus is not God because of Rev 1:1 is to ignore dozens of other passages

The EXACT OPPOSITE is the case. 1,000’s of verses State only YHWH is God.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is God. Nowhere does Jesus teach the trinity. This is the reason to conclude Jesus is not God.

The 1C does not allow anyone but YHWH to be god.

 

[civic]

The EXACT OPPOSITE is the case. 1,000’s of verses State only YHWH is God.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is God. Nowhere does Jesus teach the trinity. This is the reason to conclude Jesus is not God.

The 1C does not allow anyone but YHWH to be god.

You’re reaching in a vain attempt to redefine what it means to author a book.

All Biblical authors are witnesses. Their writing is their testimonials. They declare Christ is God.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Wrangler]

They declare Christ is God.

Incredible. No! Not one declare Christ is anything but the son of God.

More than the Scripture verses, we know that Jesus is not God because he died - and God raised him from the dead. Jesus did not raise himself from the dead. Roman 10:9

 

[Doug Brents]

You’re reaching in a vain attempt to redefine what it means to author a book.

All Biblical authors are witnesses. Their writing is their testimonials.

Scripture says it is inspired by God - not written by God. There is no reason to go beyond what Scripture says and Scripture says this.

Mark 7:13​

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New Living Translation​

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13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”

If I tell you what to write and you put the pen to paper, who really authored the writing? You? or Me? Obviously I did, but you wrote my words down.

We attribute Galatians to Paul, but he did not write most of the book. He had another, a scribe or friend, write his words because he had some form of disability (some say eyesight) that prevented him from writing well. Do we attribute the writing to the scribe who put pen to paper? No. It is attributed to Paul. But Paul is just the instrument that God used to put HIS words on paper. These are GOD's words, not Paul's, or Moses' or Daniel's.

 

[Doug Brents]

The EXACT OPPOSITE is the case. 1,000’s of verses State only YHWH is God.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is God. Nowhere does Jesus teach the trinity. This is the reason to conclude Jesus is not God.

The 1C does not allow anyone but YHWH to be god.

YHWH is a title. It is not His name. Jesus is equally YHWH as the Father is YHWH.

 

[Wrangler]

If I tell you what to write and you put the pen to paper, who really authored the writing? You? or Me? Obviously I did

I'm glad you answered your own question. You are confusing a scribe with an author.

 

[Wrangler]

YHWH is a title. It is not His name. Jesus is equally YHWH as the Father is YHWH.

No! Scripture states YHWH is the eternal name of God. His name is in Scripture 7,000 times. "Lord, "LORD" lord and GOD, God, god are titles.

1 COR 8:6. For us there is one God, the Father. Read my signature.

 

[civic]

No! Scripture states YHWH is the eternal name of God. His name is in Scripture 7,000 times. "Lord, "LORD" lord and GOD, God, god are titles.

1 COR 8:6. For us there is one God, the Father. Read my signature.

Yes One Lord whom the OT says is YHWH and the NT says is the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ who is the Only Lord, Only Sovereign, the One Lord who is Lord over all. See 1 Cor 8:6, Romans 10:9-13, Jude 1:4.

hope this helps !!!

 

[GeneZ]

Totally untrue. Jesus himself says that God is GREATER than he is and that his God is the only true God. Who are you to contradict the lord?

We know that. Why can't you get what it means?
We also sadly know that you do not have what it takes to know the following.

The Greek says that He eternally existed. = God.

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

Who (Christ), though He eternally existed in the essence of God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross! Philippians 2:5-8​

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(someone has got to tell you this)

What you say does not scare us.
Where we see you heading, if you continue to, does.

That is what scares us about you.

You are like a man who laughs and mocks at us as he is walking backwards.
Mocking as he gets closer and closer to the end of the cliff he is walking backwards on.

We are not afraid of what you say.
We are afraid for your life.

All we keep getting from you?

"Sick sick sick." "The mock of the beast." ​

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[Wrangler]

Why can't you get what it means?

LOL. Some kind of appeal to Gnosticism and extreme Eisegesis. Given that YHWH is the only true God, it means just that - no one else is, including most especially Jesus.

 

[GeneZ]

(smile), but 101G will stick with what the bible states, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" is this unique? notice, it states ONE 'LORD", not ONE 'GOD". but the verse states one LORD, who the "LORD" is God. so let's look at the definition and see.
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

Definition #2. is our answer. let's see it in scripture. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." sound like two person.... correct? WRONG. because Isaiah 48:12 states, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." and also means, in addition; too. addition too? yes, which indicate more than one, no, but the same ONE in Ordinal designation. ie... First and Last, just as Isaiah 41:4 and 48:12 above proves out.

101G.

I will stick with what we sang in synagogue on Saturday mornings first from the Torah.

Hear O Israel! The Lord our God. The Lord is One!

It can also be rendered, instead of "One?" ...

1. Yahweh is the only God.
2. The Lord alone!
3. The Lord is the one and only God.

God was sending a message to the Jews that their God was not like the pagans who worshiped many gods.
And, that their God, is the ONLY true God!

Argue over nothing if you wish.

 

[GeneZ]

LOL. Some kind of appeal to Gnosticism and extreme Eisegesis. Given that YHWH is the only true God, it means just that - no one else is, including most especially Jesus.

Who trained you? Who educated you?

 

[e v e]

Incredible. No! Not one declare Christ is anything but the son of God.

More than the Scripture verses, we know that Jesus is not God because he died - and God raised him from the dead. Jesus did not raise himself from the dead. Roman 10:9

Christ is the Son , a gorgeous Being having the same Nature ... of his Father.

Not the type nature of this earth where sons have dna of a fleshbody ape related monstrosity...

but the nature of His Father in heaven...

understand that paradise in His creation
and the current earth is NOT..
these two are NOT the same nature...


this earth is ruled by the prince of the air... is a corruption because of adam.

Christ is not from here.