GeneZ
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Answer to whom?
And, how could you accept the answer? For....
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." James 1:8
..........,
Even in John 1, Jesus is not God
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Answer to whom?
And, how could you accept the answer? For....
101G
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GINOLJC,to all
so we can take this as again you cannot answer, or don't KNOW. the correct answer is ..... "YES", it is the same one person in John 1:3 who MADE ALL THINGS" as in Isaiah 44:24. see how easy it is to answer a simple question?
101G.
The Word was with God (John 1:1) so there's 2 Persons mentioned.
The Word created everything (John 1:3) or the Word alone created everything (Isaiah 44:24) is saying the same thing: Only the Word created everything.
Now put all verses together and you get: The Word was with God (2 Persons mentioned) and the Word alone created everything.
A good example is when I do my assignment with my Teacher overlooking me. I was with my Teacher but I alone did my assignment. My Teacher was overlooking me but I alone did my assignment. My Teacher did not do any part of my assignment, I alone did my assignment.
101G
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Let's take your reply one step at a time.
you said, "two Person". because of the term "WITH?". let's see what the bible say about "WITH" as "ONE" person. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
here in the verse the FIRST, the LORD, is "WITH" the LAST, two persons? let the bible tell us. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
now synergy, tell us is the First that is "WITH" the Last is "ALSO" the Last....... your answer please.
101G.
101G
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@synergy,
B. if the WORD created ALL THINGS, (which he did), then the Word is the CREATOR/LORD, who was made Flesh. and the One who was made flesh is called Son. same person.
101G
so, A. you're admitting that the WORD is the "LORD", meaning that the Word is the Father.... because "Father means "CREATOR". meaning it only ONE "PERSON" who made all things.
B. if the WORD created ALL THINGS, (which he did), then the Word is the CREATOR/LORD, who was made Flesh. and the One who was made flesh is called Son. same person.
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GeneZ
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Its the opposite, sir.. "they."
I have given you the right answer...
Now I must endure your denial phase.
So now you want to go step by step through rabbit holes. Here is Isaiah 41:4
4Who has wrought and done these things? he has called it who called it from the generations of old; I God, the first and to all futurity, I AM. (Brenton)
Isaiah 41:4 is talking about for all time, not what you think it is talking about.
There is no "with" in Isaiah 41:4. Enough with the rabbit holes.
You totally disregarded John 1:1 which says that the Word was with God (John 1:1) so there's 2 Persons mentioned.
No more rabbit holes.
GeneZ
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101G
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101G
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ERROR. go to bible hub, and enter Isaiah 41:4 and then click on Hebrew, and come down to last 314. acharon. and look at the Brown-Driver-Briggs definition and come down to
b. of time, latter or last (according to context) Exodus 4:8; Deuteronomy 24:3; 2 Samuel 19:12; Isaiah 8:23, of God Isaiah 44:6 ("" רִאשׁוֺן) Isaiah 48:12 (do.) compare Isaiah 41:4; in Genl. subsequent (vaguely), ׳יוֺם א = time to come Isaiah 30:8; Proverbs 31:25 (but Nehemiah 8:18 הַיוֺם ׳הָאַ = the last day), ׳(הָ)אַ (הַ)דּוֺר the following Generation Deuteronomy 29:21; Psalm 48:14; Psalm 78:4; Psalm 78:6; Psalm 102:19, (הָ)אַחֲרֹנִים they that come after Job 18:20 (Ges Schl) Ecclesiastes 1:11; Ecclesiastes 4:16, but Isaiah 41:4 the last, Job 19:25 וְאַחֲרוֺן עַלעָֿפָר יָקוּם and as one coming after (me) (and so able to establish my innocence when I am dead) will he (גָֹּֽאֲלִי my Vindicator) arise upon the dust. — The feminine is used adverbially (compare רִאשֹׁנָה) = afterwards or at the last (according to context): (a) absolute Daniel 11:29; (β) בָּאַחֲרוֺנָה (opposed to בָּרִאשֹׁנָה) Deuteronomy 13:10; Deuteronomy 17:7; 1 Samuel 29:2; 2 Samuel 2:26; 1 Kings 17:13; Daniel 8:3; (γ) ׳לָאַ Numbers 2:31 (P) Ecclesiastes 1:11.
so your (Brenton) translation LIED. here is the Link to the definition. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/314.htm
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101G
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so you do not believe the bible then. is the Lord Jesus two persons who is the First and the Last? Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;" was this two persons alive and dead?
so try again,
101G
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(smile), both of you will need a whole lot of it ......
(smile)...101G.
GeneZ
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How does it feel when someone deliberately says something designed to confuse you?
So.. why do you do it?
GeneZ
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You are so clever and "original."(smile), both of you will need a whole lot of it ......
101G.
101G
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101G
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Look we can cut all the excuses, and discuss the Word of God.You are so clever and "original."
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GeneZ
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That is a hint about you. Rabbit holes incorporated.
Wrangler
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I've explained this numerous times. Although there are many mayors, for YOU in the city you live in, there is only one mayor.
Capital-LORD does not refer to the meaning of lowercase lords. It is a way to substitute the divine and eternal name of God, YHWH.
Therefore, there is only one God, YHWH, who we relate to as father. And there is one mayor of Christianville, Jesus. So simple, even a trinitarian can understand it.
I swear the creative ways trinitarian's attempt to back door their doctrine contrary to Scripture and reason is something to behold. If Jesus is the one Lord, it means the trinity is wrong because there is no room for the often forgotten Holy Spirit. Your post wreaks of 2 gods, the Dynamic Duo - and 2 a trinity does not make.
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