Eternal Security

[dwight92070]

Rapture Bound

The decision that they made to receive God's offered salvation carried with it eternal implications ... and I'm very confident that not a single genuine follower of Christ will ever regret the fact that they are now possessions of Jesus Christ ... eternally. Just as some decisions we make in the here and now carry with them irreversible ramifications in the physical realm, so it is in the spiritual.

Dwight - You mean like the vows we made before God with our spouse at our wedding, to be faithful to each other "til death do us part". Is that irreversible? I don't think so. Ideally, those vows will never be broken, and I thank God that my wife and I are together after 39 years, and intend on staying together and keeping our vows, but real life shows us that, too often, the commitment that Christians make to Jesus is little different than their commitment to each other - and divorce takes place. And so does apostacy, falling away from the faith. The Bible clearly tells us that in many places - almost all of which have been quoted here on this thread. To deny that is to deny reality. To think that a genuine follower of Christ, after receiving God's salvation and eternal life by faith, will, in every case, miraculously never turn his back on and reject his faith in Christ, is simply naive - especially given the fact that the Bible tells us it happens, over and over again.
I'm not trying to be mean, but it's simply denying reality.

 

[Handaan]

It just struck me that free will just may be obeying God's will for us.

Slaves to Righteousness​

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

Before salvation I was a slave to sin, my free will couldn't change that. Now with Jesus as my Lord and Savior I'm a slave to righteousness and my free will can't change that.

The one thing I do know... there's definitely freedom in Jesus. As he came to set us free. I'm free to live and love. Righteousness, Peace, And Joy In the Holy Ghost... that's the kingdom of God

 

[Handaan]

Rapture Bound

The decision that they made to receive God's offered salvation carried with it eternal implications ... and I'm very confident that not a single genuine follower of Christ will ever regret the fact that they are now possessions of Jesus Christ ... eternally. Just as some decisions we make in the here and now carry with them irreversible ramifications in the physical realm, so it is in the spiritual.

Dwight - You mean like the vows we made before God with our spouse at our wedding, to be faithful to each other "til death do us part". Is that irreversible? I don't think so. Ideally, those vows will never be broken, and I thank God that my wife and I are together after 39 years, and intend on staying together and keeping our vows, but real life shows us that, too often, the commitment that Christians make to Jesus is little different than their commitment to each other - and divorce takes place. And so does apostacy, falling away from the faith. The Bible clearly tells us that in many places - almost all of which have been quoted here on this thread. To deny that is to deny reality. To think that a genuine follower of Christ, after receiving God's salvation and eternal life by faith, will, in every case, miraculously never turn his back on and reject his faith in Christ, is simply naive - especially given the fact that the Bible tells us it happens, over and over again.
I'm not trying to be mean, but it's simply denying reality.

The definition of gaslighting has something to do with telling people they're denying reality.

 

[Studyman]

“Since no one is able to pluck us out of the Father’s hand, we are therefore eternally secure”. It's really not that hard to figure out But it must be properly understood. This statement of our Lord in John 10:27-30 is a most precious promise to His followers.

We are His private property — “My sheep” We were given to Jesus by the Father.

Who is given by God to Jesus? Everyone who calls Him Lord?

Our Job — “Hear My voice … and … follow Me”

Here is what Jesus actually said.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So then, following the Christ in disobedience is different than following the Christ in obedience, Yes? Shall we nbot consider these word's of the Christ also?

Our Personal Possession — “I give unto them eternal life”.

Who receives eternal life?

Rom. 2: 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

This stuff seems like important stuff to know, regarding who receives eternal life.

The Positive Proclamation — “They shall never perish”.

It seem like we should consider the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible" regarding these issues.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

This seems like a very important part the Jesus of the Bibles teaching, shall we not believe it also?

This is to be understood in the light of the sheep “HEARING” His voice and “FOLLOWING” Him. It is therefore conditional! If you don't do those two things you're not a Christian.

Again, Jesus warns me specifically about certain men. Here, lets let HIM tell us.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

How do we know that a man quoting some of His Words, and preaching that HE is the Messiah, isn't a deceiver? It would be by HIS work's, Yes?

Their Present Position — “Neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand … no man is able to pluck them out of My Father’s hand”.

Pluck who out of Christ's Hands? The Doers of His Sayings, or the Hearers only?

Their Powerful Protection — “My Father, which gave them Me, is greater than all … I and My Father are one”.

So then, God's sayings, and the Christ's sayings are the Same Sayings, Yes? Is that why the Jesus "of the Bible" said that if I want to Enter Life, I will keep God's Commandments? He certainly did, is it not written that I should walk, even as HE walked?

It is very clear that this passage makes the positive assertion that “they shall never perish”. It is just as clear in asserting that all of Christ’s sheep hear His voice and follow Him. The meaning is that any person who does not hear His voice and follow Him is not one of His sheep. Reduced to simple logic, this passage states:

I agree 100%. If a isn't a "Doer" of His Sayings, then he isn't HIS sheep.

Major Premise: All who are secure are Christ’s sheep. If you're not secure in your salvation then you must be a wolf in sheep's clothing Trying to Gaslight True Believers.

So then Peter, in your religion, is a Wolf in Sheeps clothing.

2 Pet. 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And Paul;

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Rom. 11: 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The very first deception ever recording in the Holy Scriptures, which were written specifically for us, is the serpent convincing Eve she was "Eternally Secure". While this slogan makes for a great marketing strategy to fill the seats of the manmade shrines of worship built by this world's various religious sects and businesses, it seems that the God of the Bible wants us to be on guard in this life. Even giving us the Law and Prophets as examples so we don't lust as they lusted. I believe we are better served "Taking Heed" as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs, instead of letting our guard down, like Eve did.

1Cor. 10: 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[Clifford]

No person, power, or thing can separate a saved soul from God. Once you're in the car you're going to make the whole trip all the way home. God doesn't pull over and kick you to the curb.

“Faith” Is the mark of a true Christian life. We are SAVED BY GRACE through faith, without works, but we test the genuineness of that FAITH by WORKS. You don't get saved and continue on doing the same things you did before you got saved. There's a change... you want to do what's pleasing to God. If you don't do that you never had faith in God to begin with. Your faith is dead.

It's real simple if you want Assurance of salvation you need to abide in Christ. If you can't do that you are never his to begin with. Since we're filled with the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit will tell you what you need to do. If God wants you to witness to someone, which would be a good work, The Holy Spirit will tell you..." go talk to that guy and tell him about Jesus". We do it because we're obedient servants. Not because we're trying to earn brownie points by doing good works.

 

[civic]

No person, power, or thing can separate a saved soul from God. Once you're in the car you're going to make the whole trip all the way home. God doesn't pull over and kick you to the curb.

“Faith” Is the mark of a true Christian life. We are SAVED BY GRACE through faith, without works, but we test the genuineness of that FAITH by WORKS. You don't get saved and continue on doing the same things you did before you got saved. There's a change... you want to do what's pleasing to God. If you don't do that you never had faith in God to begin with. Your faith is dead.

It's real simple if you want Assurance of salvation you need to abide in Christ. If you can't do that you were never his to begin with. Since we're filled with the holy spirit the holy spirit will tell you what you need to do. If God wants you to witness to someone, which would be a good work, The Holy Spirit will tell you..." go talk to that guy and tell him about Jesus". We do it because we're obedient servants. Not because we're trying to earn brownie points by doing good works.

Romans 8 !!!

 

[dwight92070]

The Scriptures are clear that salvation is a gift. Ephesians 2:8 teaches that salvation “is the gift of God.” In John 10:28 Jesus said, “I give eternal life to them and they shall never perish.” Romans 6:23 teaches that “the free gift of God is eternal life.”

Scripture also teaches that the grace of God is a gift given the believer. First Corinthians 1:4 tells us “the grace of God which was given you.” Ephesians 3:7 NASB speaks of “the gift of God’s grace.” The Bible also says that we have been “justified as a gift” (Romans 3:24 NASB), and therefore we have “the gift of righteousness” (Romans 5:17 NASB).

So My question is, Would God ever take back the gifts He has freely given? If salvation is a gift consisting of irreversible actions, can it ever be returned? I don't think so.

Romans 11:29 says that “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.” I like reading it in other translations. Wuest renders it, “For the gifts in grace and the calling of God are with respect to a change of mind irrevocable.” The Living Bible reads, “For God’s gift and his call can never be withdrawn; he will never go back on his promises.” The Amplified Bible teaches, “For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable. [He never withdraws them when once they are given, and He does not change His mind about those to whom He gives His grace or to whom He sends His call.]”

The gift of my salvation is irrevocable. I've been given to the Son by the Father and He's not going to let anything snatch me out of his hand.

A certain Christian man I heard recently said that years ago his grandmother offered to pay his way through four years at Biola University in Los Angeles. He said that he didn't feel that God was leading him to go to any school, not even a Christian school, so he graciously declined the offer. But he made the comment, "What if I told my grandmother, 'Thank you, but I won't be going to a school, so how about if you just give me the money?'" He said she would have told him, "No, the free money is only for Biola." In other words, he said, her gift was free, but she put in place certain conditions for him to get it.
His point was, salvation is a free gift from God, but a thorough study of all the verses on the subject, shows that God has put in place certain conditions for any person to receive that free gift. 1. Repentance 2. Faith 3. Baptism 4. Obedience to Jesus and His apostles

Your post above shows absolutely ZERO conditions for a person to receive salvation. That is totally unBiblical.

 

[dwight92070]

It just struck me that free will just may be obeying God's will for us.

Slaves to Righteousness​

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.

Before salvation I was a slave to sin, my free will couldn't change that.

Dwight - Not true, you had the free will to repent, believe, be baptized, and obey Jesus. That definitely would change your slavery to sin.

Now with Jesus as my Lord and Savior I'm a slave to righteousness and my free will can't change that.

Dwight - Also not true, you STILL have the free will to reject Jesus, stop believing Him, and to disobey Him. (Which nobody, except Satan, wants you or anyone to do, but unfortunately, many do). That definitely would return you to your slavery to sin - remember Peter spoke of a dog returning to it's vomit, and a washed pig returns to wallow in the mud.

The one thing I do know... there's definitely freedom in Jesus. As he came to set us free. I'm free to live and love. Righteousness, Peace, And Joy In the Holy Ghost... that's the kingdom of God

 

[Clay]

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. John 6:47

What kind of life? Everlasting life. When does everlasting life run out? Inquiring minds want to know.

The good news is that biblical assurance of eternal security is a certainty. The Bible is our source of truth and thus defines assurance for us. And what it says is clear. Believers can and should be certain that they have everlasting life. Works play no role in a person knowing he is eternally secure.

Take a look at John 6:35. “And Jesus said to them, ‘I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.’ ” After Jesus fed the 5,000 that day, the crowd came to Him saying, “Lord, give us this bread always” (John 6:34). They were hoping for the type of provision supplied to the Israelites for the forty years they wandered in the wilderness. But Jesus was referring to a miraculous type of bread and water. One who eats this bread or drinks this water will never hunger or thirst again!

I know what you're thinking eating that bread was works Chomp Chomp, picking up that water Jug... works.

“Coming to Jesus” is a metaphor for believing in Him. So, too, the symbolic drinking of living water and eating of the bread of life are figures of speech for believing in Him for eternal life. Note what Jesus promises to the one who believes in Him: that they will never hunger or thirst again. Clearly these are promises of eternal security to all who simply believe in Jesus. BAM

 

[Handaan]

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. John 6:47

What kind of life? Everlasting life. When does everlasting life run out? Inquiring minds want to know.

The good news is that biblical assurance of eternal security is a certainty. The Bible is our source of truth and thus defines assurance for us. And what it says is clear. Believers can and should be certain that they have everlasting life. Works play no role in a person knowing he is eternally secure.

Take a look at John 6:35. “And Jesus said to them, ‘I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.’ ” After Jesus fed the 5,000 that day, the crowd came to Him saying, “Lord, give us this bread always” (John 6:34). They were hoping for the type of provision supplied to the Israelites for the forty years they wandered in the wilderness. But Jesus was referring to a miraculous type of bread and water. One who eats this bread or drinks this water will never hunger or thirst again!

I know what you're thinking eating that bread was works Chomp Chomp, picking up that water Jug... works.

“Coming to Jesus” is a metaphor for believing in Him. So, too, the symbolic drinking of living water and eating of the bread of life are figures of speech for believing in Him for eternal life. Note what Jesus promises to the one who believes in Him: that they will never hunger or thirst again. Clearly these are promises of eternal security to all who simply believe in Jesus. BAM

Sounds right to me. Everlasting life is just that everlasting life. All means all, yet some would have us believe that all just means the elect. Whatever is convenient.

 

[dwight92070]

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. John 6:47

What kind of life? Everlasting life. When does everlasting life run out? Inquiring minds want to know.

The good news is that biblical assurance of eternal security is a certainty. The Bible is our source of truth and thus defines assurance for us. And what it says is clear. Believers can and should be certain that they have everlasting life. Works play no role in a person knowing he is eternally secure.

You have to cut out a ton of verses in scripture to believe this. Repenting is necessary, yes believing is necessary or faith in Jesus, getting baptized is also commanded, obeying Jesus and abiding in Jesus is commanded, continuing in His word is commanded, even good deeds are commanded - but apparently none of these verses even matter to you. If they did, you would be quoting those too, like we do.
Your post requires NOTHING of the prospective new Christian, except to believe -that's definitely a start, but there's much more.

Take a look at John 6:35. “And Jesus said to them, ‘I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.’ ” After Jesus fed the 5,000 that day, the crowd came to Him saying, “Lord, give us this bread always” (John 6:34). They were hoping for the type of provision supplied to the Israelites for the forty years they wandered in the wilderness. But Jesus was referring to a miraculous type of bread and water. One who eats this bread or drinks this water will never hunger or thirst again!

I know what you're thinking eating that bread was works Chomp Chomp, picking up that water Jug... works.

“Coming to Jesus” is a metaphor for believing in Him. So, too, the symbolic drinking of living water and eating of the bread of life are figures of speech for believing in Him for eternal life. Note what Jesus promises to the one who believes in Him: that they will never hunger or thirst again. Clearly these are promises of eternal security to all who simply believe in Jesus. BAM

 

[dwight92070]

Who is given by God to Jesus? Everyone who calls Him Lord?



Here is what Jesus actually said.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So then, following the Christ in disobedience is different than following the Christ in obedience, Yes? Shall we nbot consider these word's of the Christ also?



Who receives eternal life?

Rom. 2: 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

This stuff seems like important stuff to know, regarding who receives eternal life.




It seem like we should consider the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible" regarding these issues.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

This seems like a very important part the Jesus of the Bibles teaching, shall we not believe it also?



Again, Jesus warns me specifically about certain men. Here, lets let HIM tell us.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

How do we know that a man quoting some of His Words, and preaching that HE is the Messiah, isn't a deceiver? It would be by HIS work's, Yes?



Pluck who out of Christ's Hands? The Doers of His Sayings, or the Hearers only?



So then, God's sayings, and the Christ's sayings are the Same Sayings, Yes? Is that why the Jesus "of the Bible" said that if I want to Enter Life, I will keep God's Commandments? He certainly did, is it not written that I should walk, even as HE walked?



I agree 100%. If a isn't a "Doer" of His Sayings, then he isn't HIS sheep.



So then Peter, in your religion, is a Wolf in Sheeps clothing.

2 Pet. 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And Paul;

2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Rom. 11: 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The very first deception ever recording in the Holy Scriptures, which were written specifically for us, is the serpent convincing Eve she was "Eternally Secure". While this slogan makes for a great marketing strategy to fill the seats of the manmade shrines of worship built by this world's various religious sects and businesses, it seems that the God of the Bible wants us to be on guard in this life. Even giving us the Law and Prophets as examples so we don't lust as they lusted. I believe we are better served "Taking Heed" as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs, instead of letting our guard down, like Eve did.

1Cor. 10: 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Studyman, it's a good thing you're quoting all these verses, because these OSAS people don't like to quote these particular verses. If they did, they would be quoting them too. They like the promises, which I also like, but they don't like the requirements to receive those promises. So it's good that you're quoting the conditions necessary.

 

[Clifford]

Here is another passage that I'm quite fond of, it presents eternal life as the certain possession of all who simply believe in Jesus is John 11:25–27. It reads: Jesus said to her "Martha", “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

Jesus said it, I believe it.

 

[Ray]

@Clifford I believe what Jesus said also. Thank you for sharing such a wonderful uplifting passage from the Bible. It's so encouraging to know that once we believe in Jesus we have eternal resurrected life.

The promise here in John is that all who simply believe in Jesus are guaranteed to be raised from the dead and given glorified bodies. Clearly Jesus is speaking here of the resurrection of believers. In Revelation 20:5 it is called the first resurrection. No believers will miss out on this resurrection. Jesus guarantees it.

 

[Ezra]

here is the big issue many have with eternal security other than they believe one can be lost again i have heard few other things. many feel eternal security gives a person the ability live a sinful life and still make it to heaven.. yes i have heard it preached that way. to me eternal security is the assurance of our salvation. there are many things i cant prove..
but i do know our salvation is far more secure than what most think. . at the Church i pastor we have a banner that reads. if your %99 saved your %100 lost . thus why i preach a know so salvation,
a old time preacher man use to say if you can get saved and not know it. you can lose it not know it

 

[Clifford]

here is the big issue many have with eternal security other than they believe one can be lost again i have heard few other things. many feel eternal security gives a person the ability live a sinful life and still make it to heaven.. yes i have heard it preached that way. to me eternal security is the assurance of our salvation. there are many things i cant prove..
but i do know our salvation is far more secure than what most think. . at the Church i pastor we have a banner that reads. if your %99 saved your %100 lost . thus why i preach a know so salvation,
a old time preacher man use to say if you can get saved and not know it. you can lose it not know it

If you're saved and you know it clap your hands. If you're saved and you know it stomp your feet. If you're saved and you know it then your life will surely show it. If you saved and you know it clap your hands.

GRACE HAS TRANSFORMED US FROM SLAVES OF SIN TO SLAVES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH BENEFITS OF SANCTIFICATION AND LIFE

Bible Outlines - Romans 6:15-23 - Freedom From the Law is No License to Sin

GRACE HAS TRANSFORMED US FROM SLAVES OF SIN TO SLAVES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WITH BENEFITS OF SANCTIFICATION AND LIFE

www.bibleoutlines.com

 

[Grace ambassador]

op: Eternal Security? Yes!

op2: According to conditions? Again, Yes!!

Now, the question is, which ones? yesterday's dispensation of law / Covenants / prophecy ? or:

Today's Dispensation Of The Grace Of God, According To "The Revelation Of The Mystery?
So, Let's see:

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

I have decided to Follow Jesus?

A) Do I follow Him, and the doctrine He Spoke as The:

Humble Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Luk 13:3,5, 24:47; Mar 1:4)
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)
+
3) be baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
(Jam 1:1, 2:17,26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
(Mar 10:17-23)
+
8) pray as a watchman, for Great Tribulation, man of sin, son of perdition, and
signs of the end times, and Second Coming?

9) prophecy warning for Israel about "the mark of the beast" and "enduring to the
end to be saved"? ( no eternal security in view? )

Do I follow His earthly prophecy program of covenants and law, for Israel?
( OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev ) or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

B) Do I follow The LORD Jesus Christ As The Risen And Glorified "Head Of His Church" and:

His Heavenly Grace Program, According To The Revelation Of The Mystery?
(His Doctrine in Romans - Philemon To One apostle for the One Body Of Christ)!:

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!")
(Acts 20:21)
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2) Have ►► faith ◄◄ toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The Gospel
Of The Grace Of God: His Death, Burial, And Resurrection, According To The Scripture
(Ephesians 2:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27; Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13)
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4) Acknowledge Christ Is Living in me, so I allow Him to, through me:
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5) To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In ONE Word: ►► love ◄◄ thy neighbor​

as thyself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)​

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6) Study God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided to show myself "Approved Unto God"
(2 Timothy 2:15), and all the rest of these Bible study Rules
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7) Work with my hands to "give to them in need," and the LORD "shall supply all my need"
(Ephesians 4:28; 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12; 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12; 1 Timothy 5:8)
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8) Be a humble prayer warrior and ►► hope ◄◄ :
"...looking, watching, and Patiently Waiting For...": The LORD Jesus Christ!
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7;
Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;
1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13)
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9) Put on the FULL armour of God and stand, in the spiritual warfare I wrestle with
(Ephesians 6:10-18)
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10)
Eph 6:19 "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I
may open my mouth boldly, to make known the Mystery Of The Gospel,"
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11)
Eph 3:9 "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of The Mystery, which from the
beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ"
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12) Acknowledge that I am going to give an account at Judgment (1 Corinthians 3:8-15;
Romans 14:12), at my Heavenly Home-Going ( Great GRACE Departure! ):

Including "bad works, losing rewards" for the UNfaithful 'members' of The Body Of​

Christ, who have Eternal Security, according to v 15?:​

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"If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer​

loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire."​

According to these and all the details of God's Sound Doctrinal Blueprint In
Romans Through Philemon? (1 Timothy 1:10; 2 Timothy 4:3; Titus 1:9):

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:​

Or:

C) Do I speak after following the Many, who homogenize A) + B) into
Massive Confusion?

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of Peace,​

as in all churches of the saints." (1 Corinthians 14:33)​

Amen.

 

[Hosanna]

I think God’s Word is our source of assurance that we have eternal security in Jesus. So we can definitely be certain of things that God has recorded in His Word like eternal security. There's scriptures galore that have been posted in this thread that prove beyond a doubt the reality of eternal security.

People sometimes look to subjective factors in a misguided effort to deny their status in God’s forever family. Many look to their works, but are haunted by the knowledge that the motives behind the good things they do are not always pure. On top of that, not all of their works are good.

Some look to their love for other Christians, their commitment to Christ, and even whether or not they feel born again. Still others focus on how much they love God and hate sin only to find that sometimes their love for God is less than absolute and their hatred of sin wanes. You'll never get them to admit it but it happens. We all fall short of the glory of God. And if we say we're without sin we are calling God a liar.

The only consistent thing that such introspection produces is doubt. It has no place in helping us realize our eternal security. Our Heavenly citizenship is unrelated to our performance. If you Believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior you are a part of the kingdom and nothing can change that.

 

[Ray]

Once you belong to Jesus Nothing can change that. He doesn't lose any of the ones that the father gave him. It's a certainty.

So how do you be certain, well you need an objective standard. And there is one—the black and white promises of God to all who simply believe in Jesus. He assured, “He who believes in Me has everlasting life” John 6:47. Do you believe in Jesus? If your answer is yes, then Jesus claims in this verse that you have everlasting life. Right?

Now if you respond, “Well, I believe in Jesus, but I’m not sure whether or not I have everlasting life,” then you clearly don’t believe what Jesus said in John 6:47. If it is true, then it applies to everyone who believes in Jesus, even you.There are tons of passages like this. For extensive evidence that the Word of God teaches eternal security for all who believe in Jesus, consider the following texts:

John 3:16. This may be the most famous verse in the Bible. Yet while it directly speaks to assurance, most don’t apply it in that way. Jesus said, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” Those who believe in Jesus have eternal life and will never perish. That’s the promise. If we believe the promise, we know we won’t perish and we have everlasting life. It is that simple.

John 3:18. “He who believes in Him is not condemned.” The one who believes in Jesus is in a state of non-condemnation. That is, he is a person who is justified, declared righteous before God. There is no such thing as a condemned believer. There never will be.

John 3:36. John the Baptist testified of Jesus, “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life.” Did you note the verb tense? It is present tense. The believer has everlasting life. And since the life is everlasting, it can never cease. Works and feelings play no role in this—just faith.

Acts 15:7–11. The early church called a special council in Jerusalem to make an official decree on what Gentiles had to do to have eternal life. Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, had been saying that all they had to do was believe in Jesus and they would be eternally secure. At the Jerusalem Council, as it has come to be called, Peter affirmed Paul’s gospel, reminding the crowd that God sent him to Cornelius and his family so “that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe … purifying their hearts by faith … But we believe that through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.” The only condition is to believe the gospel. Hearts are purified by faith alone. Jews and Gentiles are saved in the same way, by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. Peter is not expressing an opinion here. He is expressing fact. Peter is certain. And all who believe Peter’s words are certain that they have everlasting life as well.

Acts 16:31. “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” is Paul’s answer to the Philippian jailer’s question, “What must I do to be saved?” The one who believes this is sure that he is saved because God’s Word is true and dependable.

Romans 4:5. “But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.” Justification—being declared righteous once and for all by God—occurs the moment one believes in Jesus. Works play absolutely no role in this. Did you notice those whom Paul says God justifies? The ungodly! We are all ungodly. Only by faith in Jesus can we be declared legally righteous in the sight of God. And all who believe this know that they are indeed justified, for that is what God promises. He promises certainty, not some possibility that is contingent on our future performance.

Galatians 3:6–7. “Abraham ‘believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.’ Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.” Paul cites Genesis 15:6 concerning the justification of Abraham to validate his point that “a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ” Galatians 2:16. It is a fact that all who are “of faith,” and only those people, are the spiritual descendants of the one whom Paul describes as “believing Abraham”

Ephesians 2:8–9. “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” In this famous passage Paul reminds the Ephesian believers of the fact that they have been regenerated. Paul uses a perfect tense to make his point: you have been saved. That tense conveys a past event which continues forward. There is no room for doubt here. Anyone who believes what Paul is saying knows that he has been made alive with Christ and that the life Jesus gave him is everlasting.

James 1:18. “Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.” The half brother of Jesus reminds his readers, Jewish believers, that they were “brought forth” or born again “by the word of truth.” Clearly James is referring to their faith in the truth of the gospel. This new birth is not dependent on some future action. It is an accomplished fact that occurs at the moment of faith in the word of truth.

1 Peter 1:22–23. “… Love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.” Having called the readers to love one another with a pure heart, Peter explains why they are able to do that: because they have been born again.

And the new birth, says Peter, comes from an incorruptible seed, the everlasting Word of God. Peter concludes with a citation from Isaiah 40, “The grass withers, and its flower falls away, but the word of the Lord endures forever” 1 Peter 1:24–25

 

[civic]

Romans 8:35-39
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

No one can separate us nor anything can separate a believe from Christ according to Paul above.