Eternal Security

Could you go into a little more detail on that. I've heard that it has to do with man wanting to help God out with His plan of salvation.
It's what I live for. Here's a Biblical resource.

Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint?​


The simple answer is that salvation by works seems right in the eyes of man. One of man’s basic desires is to be in control of his own destiny, and that includes his eternal destiny. Salvation by works appeals to man’s pride and his desire to be in control. Being saved by works appeals to that desire far more than the idea of being saved by faith alone. Also, man has an inherent sense of justice. Even the most ardent atheist believes in some type of justice and has a sense of right and wrong, even if he has no moral basis for making such judgments. Our inherent sense of right and wrong demands that if we are to be saved, our “good works” must outweigh our “bad works.” Therefore, it is natural that when man creates a religion it would involve some type of salvation by works.


Because salvation by works appeals to man’s sinful nature, it forms the basis of almost every religion except for biblical Christianity. Proverbs 14:12 tells us that “there is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.” Salvation by works seems right to men, which is why it is the predominantly held viewpoint. That is exactly why biblical Christianity is so different from all other religions—it is the only religion that teaches salvation is a gift of God and not of works. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9).

Another reason why salvation by works is the predominantly held viewpoint is that natural or unregenerate man does not fully understand the extent of his own sinfulness or of God’s holiness. Man’s heart is “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9), and God is infinitely holy (Isaiah 6:3). The deceit of our hearts is the very thing that colors our perception of the extent of that deceit and is what prevents us from seeing our true state before a God whose holiness we are also unable to fully comprehend. But the truth remains that our sinfulness and God’s holiness combine to make our best efforts as “filthy rags” before a holy God (Isaiah 64:6; cf. 6:1–5).

The thought that man’s good works could ever balance out his bad works is a totally unbiblical concept. Not only that, but the Bible also teaches that God’s standard is nothing less than 100 percent perfection. If we stumble in keeping just one part of God’s righteous law, we are as guilty as if we had broken all of it (James 2:10). Therefore, there is no way we could ever be saved if salvation truly were dependent on works.

Another reason that salvation by works can creep into denominations that claim to be Christian or say they believe in the Bible is that they misunderstand passages like James 2:24: “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.” Taken in the context of the entire passage (James 2:14–26), it becomes evident that James is not saying our works make us righteous before God; instead, he is making it clear that real saving faith is demonstrated by good works. The person who claims to be a Christian but lives in willful disobedience to Christ has a false or “dead” faith and is not saved. James is making a contrast between two different types of faith—truth faith that saves and false faith that is dead.

There are simply too many verses that teach that one is not saved by works for any Christian to believe otherwise. Titus 3:4–5 is one of many such passages: “But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.” Good works do not contribute to salvation, but they will always be characteristic of one who has been born again. Good works are not the cause of salvation; they are the evidence of it.

While salvation by works might be the predominantly held viewpoint, it is not an accurate one biblically. The Bible contains abundant evidence of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8–9). From Got?
 
So that's why work salvation is unbiblical. And it's used against eternal security because man and his pride believe she must do some work in order to earn a salvation.
 
Work salvation is like a ball and chain, Jesus came to set us free and give us life and life more abundantly. Not a set of rules of do's and don'ts And hoops to jump through. Jesus came to fulfill the law but he did give us a new commandment and that was to love one another. The moral law is certainly good but it's not what saves us or keeps you saved.
 
Good works didn't save me and good works that I do under my own strength aren't going to keep me. Now being a humble servant is a different story. When you hold up your good works you tend to have an ego trip going on. When you're a humble servant it shows you being transformed into the image of Christ.

And he gives grace generously. As the Scriptures say, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” James 4:6

He gives Grace, We don't work for it. Being a daughter of good be a lifestyle. Not "Oh look at me I do good works."

…8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.…Ephesians 2:9
 
Problem with work salvation is you definitely can't have eternal security because you have no way of knowing when you've done enough work to earn your salvation.
It is absolutely possible to know that one's salvation is secure.
First, have you done what Christ said is required to receive salvation in the first place?
Christ said that whoever believes the Gospel and is baptized will be saved. If you haven't believed and haven't been baptized, then you haven't been saved (Mark 16:16).
Peter in the very first sermon preached in the New Kingdom on Pentecost said repent (they had already believed) and be baptized so that you will receive forgiveness of sins and receive the Holy Spirit. If you haven't repented and haven't been baptized, then you haven't been saved (Acts 2:38).
Paul tells the Romans that belief results in righteousness and confession of Jesus as Lord results in salvation.
This is what is required to be initially "saved".

Then a person must continue to live for Christ and strive to live perfectly in Christ (1 John 2:6, Col 1:10, and many others). It is impossible to accomplish this goal, but it is in the attempting that we are secured (1 John 1:7-10). But it is absolutely possible to cease living in Christ and to be overcome with sin again, and thus lose salvation (James 5:19-20).

None of this "earns" salvation, for salvation was earned for us while we were still enemies of God and without hope (Rom 5:8, 10). But if we do not meet the conditions God placed on receiving His gift, then that gift we do not receive.
 
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Correct it's absolutely possible to know that your salvation is secure. That's exactly what eternal security teaches. No one can live perfectly in Christ we all fall short of the glory of God. If we say we're without sin we're calling God a liar 1 John 1:10

If you place conditions on a gift it's no longer a gift it's a wage. It's called the free gift no strings attached. Here's exactly what this kind of logic is. It's man-made and it's egotistical. But it's basically saying is "look at me I help God out in my salvation".

Self-righteousness! Jesus talked about it, the Pharisees had it, don't be a Pharisee. I'm speaking in general not to you personally. I'm sure you're a great guy Doug And I'm glad you have Jesus. Now get out there and do some good works.:)
 
Good works didn't save me and good works that I do under my own strength aren't going to keep me. Now being a humble servant is a different story. When you hold up your good works you tend to have an ego trip going on. When you're a humble servant it shows you being transformed into the image of Christ.

And he gives grace generously. As the Scriptures say, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” James 4:6

He gives Grace, We don't work for it. Being a daughter of good be a lifestyle. Not "Oh look at me I do good works."

…8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.…Ephesians 2:9
"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and DO NOT DO (works) what I say?" Luke 6:46

If Jesus is our Lord, then we are His slaves, and we must OBEY (works) whatever He commands.

Obedience is NOT OPTIONAL. Obedience IS NOT SALVATION BY WORKS. Obedience is simply HAVING A LORD and DOING WHAT HE COMMANDS. If you have a LORD, you have salvation.

Do you think you're saved without any kind of obedience on your part? Do you think it's just a matter of grace through faith, and there's no good works involved - and no obedience is required?

Again, you think obedience is salvation by works. No, obedience is just DOING what your LORD says.

Do you not realize that IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO OBEY JESUS?

Many of you are afraid to do ANY good works, because you might possibly do them "in your own strength". And yet we are commanded over and over to be zealous to DO good works.

"This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, SO THAT THOSE WHO HAVE BELIEVED GOD WILL BE CAREFUL TO ENGAGE IN GOOD DEEDS". Titus 3:8

Notice Paul did not add: "Watch out that you don't do good deeds in your own strength!" That's deception and just an excuse NOT to DO GOOD WORKS.

Why can't we all just acknowledge that ANY strength that we have - physical, mental, spiritual, etc., comes from Him and just DO what we are told.

If we don't, Jesus said we're like a foolish man who built his house on the sand, and we all know how that ended. " ... and great was its fall." Matthew 7:27

Did you notice in the New Testament that Jesus commands a PARTICULAR GOOD WORK for new believers? It's called BAPTISM.
 
All for whom Christ died, which were Chosen in Him before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Who also have redemption through His Blood with the forgiveness of sins Eph 1:7, they are and always have been Eternally Secured in Christ, Yes even before they become Believers, before they are even Called by the Gospel to Faith Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Before Called by the Gospel, they had been first preserved in Jesus Christ their Saviour, which preservation denotes their Eternal Security in Christ.
 
"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and DO NOT DO (works) what I say?" Luke 6:46

If Jesus is our Lord, then we are His slaves, and we must OBEY (works) whatever He commands.

Obedience is NOT OPTIONAL. Obedience IS NOT SALVATION BY WORKS. Obedience is simply HAVING A LORD and DOING WHAT HE COMMANDS. If you have a LORD, you have salvation.

Do you think you're saved without any kind of obedience on your part? Do you think it's just a matter of grace through faith, and there's no good works involved - and no obedience is required?

Again, you think obedience is salvation by works. No, obedience is just DOING what your LORD says.

Do you not realize that IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO OBEY JESUS?

Many of you are afraid to do ANY good works, because you might possibly do them "in your own strength". And yet we are commanded over and over to be zealous to DO good works.

"This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, SO THAT THOSE WHO HAVE BELIEVED GOD WILL BE CAREFUL TO ENGAGE IN GOOD DEEDS". Titus 3:8

Notice Paul did not add: "Watch out that you don't do good deeds in your own strength!" That's deception and just an excuse NOT to DO GOOD WORKS.

Why can't we all just acknowledge that ANY strength that we have - physical, mental, spiritual, etc., comes from Him and just DO what we are told.

If we don't, Jesus said we're like a foolish man who built his house on the sand, and we all know how that ended. " ... and great was its fall." Matthew 7:27

Did you notice in the New Testament that Jesus commands a PARTICULAR GOOD WORK for new believers? It's called BAPTISM.
Baptism doesn't save you. What about the thief on the cross? He was saved and he didn't do any good works or get baptized. All he did was believe Jesus was the Promised Messiah.
 
If you place conditions on a gift it's no longer a gift it's a wage. It's called the free gift no strings attached. Here's exactly what this kind of logic is. It's man-made and it's egotistical. But it's basically saying is "look at me I help God out in my salvation".
That is not accurate at all with how God has dealt with His people all through the OT. There have always been conditional statements in God's blessings (Deut 11:26-28, Deut 28:1, Josh 1:7, and many others). The OT is there so we have a record of how God dealt with His people from the beginning, and how His dealings have changed through the ages. One thing that has not changed is that He puts conditions on His blessings.
Self-righteousness! Jesus talked about it, the Pharisees had it, don't be a Pharisee. I'm speaking in general not to you personally. I'm sure you're a great guy Doug And I'm glad you have Jesus. Now get out there and do some good works.:)
There is no self-righteousness in surrender to God's command. We today do not understand what the word "Lord" really means. When it was written, a Lord had total command and authority over a person, to the point of holding the life and death of the person who was the servant. If Jesus is our Lord, then He has total command of our life and actions. But in order to make Him our Lord, we must begin by obeying Him, because it is faith (Eph 2:8-9)(belief in action) through which we receive sonship and Jesus becomes our Lord.
 
Let's assume you are right, for the sake of argument, that baptism doesn't save you. Would that mean that a new believer doesn't have to obey Jesus, and get baptized?
 
Baptism doesn't save you. What about the thief on the cross? He was saved and he didn't do any good works or get baptized. All he did was believe Jesus was the Promised Messiah.
1 Pet 3:21 - baptism now saves you. What baptism, the one in water (1 Pet 3:20).
The thief on the cross was given salvation before Jesus died. Jesus could change His will and testament any way He wanted before He died.
 
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Ephesians 2:9
 
Let's assume you are right, for the sake of argument, that baptism doesn't save you. Would that mean that a new believer doesn't have to obey Jesus, and get baptized?
Okie dokie let's do some assuming. Assuming you're a new believer would you be expected to know what Jesus taught? Did you go to Seminary for a few years and then accept Christ. I think you would suggest a new believer go to church sit down under a good Bible teaching pastor and learn what Jesus taught. And of course you would want to Obey his teaching.
 
Its a command to obey like any other command but it doesn't save you.
It is a command with a promise.
If you are baptized then you will be saved (Mark 16:16)
If you repent then you will be forgiven (Acts 3:19).
If you confess Jesus as Lord then you will be saved (Rom 10:9-10).
Baptism, in water, now saves you (1 Pet 3:20-21).
Okie dokie let's do some assuming. Assuming you're a new believer would you be expected to know what Jesus taught? Did you go to Seminary for a few years and then accept Christ. I think you would suggest a new believer go to church sit down under a good Bible teaching pastor and learn what Jesus taught. And of course you would want to Obey his teaching.
No, the new believer doesn't have to know all of what Jesus taught. That would be moving from the milk of the word to the meat and becoming a mature follower of Christ. But the new believer must believe the Gospel (the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus that leads to the forgiveness of sin), and the path to salvation that must include repentance, confession of Jesus as Lord, and baptism. Look at the first sermon in the New Kingdom (Acts 2). Peter lays out the people's lostness in sin, the saving power of Jesus, and the path to forgiveness from their sin (repentance and baptism). In Philip's teaching of the eunuch, it is clear that baptism was a main point of the message because it is the eunuch who sees water and asks to be baptized. It does not require much teaching about Jesus to lead to saving faith (belief in action), but it does require the correct teaching.
 
Jesus said, "When you pray ... , When you fast ... , When you give alms ..." That's His gracious way of saying that He expects us to do all of those. He's our Lord, so are we going to do these good works or not? Of course we are, unless we get side-tracked by thinking that we're trying to earn our salvation, or keep our salvation. Then we might be gun-shy about doing good works, because either we're trying to earn our salvation OR it's also possible that we might be doing those things in our OWN STRENGTH. Well, any strength you have, came from Him, so you don't have to worry about that.
 
By the way, all of you who are teaching OSAS and "Eternal Security" and teaching against "Works Salvation", do you realize your teaching is A WORK?

"The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially THOSE WHO WORK HARD AT PREACHING AND TEACHING. 1 Timothy 5:17

Aren't you concerned that when you WORK HARD at teaching against "Works salvation", that you might be trying TO EARN YOUR SALVATION?
 
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