Doctrine of Unconditional Election

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

Not according to

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

It is the only way one can be in Christ before another

Why do you not address this

or

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

 

[brightfame52]

Not according to

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

It is the only way one can be in Christ before another

Why do you not address this

or

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

 

[brightfame52]

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

I do not see any explanation

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

 

[synergy]

I do not see any explanation

That confirms that @brightfame52 is either a bot or his mind works on a level of a preprogrammed bot that cannot answer questions beyond what's it's been indoctrinated to spew out. That's typical of cultists and heretics.

 

[TomL]

That confirms that @brightfame52 is either a bot or his mind works on a level of a preprogrammed bot that cannot answer questions beyond what's it's been indoctrinated to spew out. That's typical of cultists and heretics.

I do not think she? is a bot

 

[synergy]

I do not think she? is a bot

So @brightfame52's mind works on a level of a preprogrammed bot that cannot answer questions beyond what's it's been indoctrinated to spew out. That's typical of cultists and heretics

 

[brightfame52]

I do not see any explanation

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

I do not see any explanation

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

 

[brightfame52]

I do not see any explanation

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

I do not see any explanation

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

 

[brightfame52]

I do not see any explanation

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

 

[brightfame52]

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[synergy]

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

or why this text states they are sealed in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which shows men are sealed in Christ when they believe

What you have in Eph 1:4 is God's plan to chose believers to be holy and blameless before him in love

It's now confirmed that @brightfame52 thinks on a level of a preprogrammed bot that cannot answer questions beyond what's he's been indoctrinated to spew out. That's typical of cultists and heretics.

 

[TomL]

It's now confirmed that @brightfame52 thinks on a level of a preprogrammed bot that cannot answer questions beyond what's he's been indoctrinated to spew out. That's typical of cultists and heretics.

She (?) never answers rebuttal

 

[brightfame52]

Election is unconditional simply because of what scripture states about the purpose of Election Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

It was before men were born. It was from the beginning 2Thess 213

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

from the beginning is a phrase used in the wisdom book of Proverbs, Prov 8:23

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

that is, before the world began, even from all eternity, "in Christ before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[TomL]

Election is unconditional simply because of what scripture states about the purpose of Election Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

It was before men were born. It was from the beginning 2Thess 213

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

from the beginning is a phrase used in the wisdom book of Proverbs, Prov 8:23

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

that is, before the world began, even from all eternity, "in Christ before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Um you are assuming that references salvation rather than the birthrite

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Can you therefore explain how one can be in Christ before another

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

I think we are all known by God and loved by God since the foundation of the world. We are in his Logos. It is in that sense that we all have always been "in Christ", from God's perspective.
But then, we humans realize that at different moments. When we realize it (accept the gospel conciously) then we become "in Christ" from our perspective.

Were the people of Athens to whom Paul preached in the Areopagus already "in God"? Yes and No.
Yes, because along with Paul, they existed, lived and moved in God.
No, because they hadn't realized it yet.