Doctrine of Unconditional Election

[brightfame52]

Blindly repeating yourself does no one any good...

I know all this...
but since you what you are saying is that GOD, BEFORE anyone was created did NOT chose some for salvation. This implies HE was being biased against them, not loving them at all.

Im not blind, I see this and you dont,

Those whom God has chosen to Salvation, the Election of Grace, they in time will experience sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth, by which they ar called 2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

The Bible states that divine election is not based on man's decisions or actions, that God does not choose someone for salvation because of what this person will decide or perform. For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy….So then he has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses. (Romans 9:15-16, 18; NRSV)

Divine election is not based on a passive prescience, and divine prescience is not passive in the first place. God chooses a person because he wants to choose that person, and he knows who will believe the gospel because he knows whom he will cause to believe the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

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[brightfame52]

Election to Salvation is unconditional in that God chose His People in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Unto that end He willed a people who would be the body of that Christ, in whom the fulness of Jesus would come to manifestation. Unto that end He elected millions of elect, each of whom would occupy his own place in God's eternal temple and all together shewing forth the fulness of the glory of God in Jesus Christ, our Lord. Such was God's decree of election. He hath chosen us in Him “before the foundation of the world". The common interpretation of these words is well-known. The “ foundation of the world" refers, then, to the creation of the world, the moment when the world was founded. That God elected us before the foundation of the world simply means that God chose us before the world's founding, sometime in eternity. This interpretation emphasizes, we understand, the element of time. Our election is older than six thousand years. This interpretation purposed to emphasize, of course, the Divinely sovereign character of our election. Zion was already elected before anything had been called into existence. This fact, that we were chosen before our birth, yea before the beginning of the world, would therefore exclude any merit or activity on our part.

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[TomL]

Election to Salvation is unconditional in that God chose His People in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Unto that end He willed a people who would be the body of that Christ, in whom the fulness of Jesus would come to manifestation. Unto that end He elected millions of elect, each of whom would occupy his own place in God's eternal temple and all together shewing forth the fulness of the glory of God in Jesus Christ, our Lord. Such was God's decree of election. He hath chosen us in Him “before the foundation of the world". The common interpretation of these words is well-known. The “ foundation of the world" refers, then, to the creation of the world, the moment when the world was founded. That God elected us before the foundation of the world simply means that God chose us before the world's founding, sometime in eternity. This interpretation emphasizes, we understand, the element of time. Our election is older than six thousand years. This interpretation purposed to emphasize, of course, the Divinely sovereign character of our election. Zion was already elected before anything had been called into existence. This fact, that we were chosen before our birth, yea before the beginning of the world, would therefore exclude any merit or activity on our part.

Ephesians – The Standard Bearer Magazine by Reformed Free Publishing Association | RFPA

sb.rfpa.org

Nope it is in Christ

Ephesians 1:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

 

[brightfame52]

Nope it is in Christ

Ephesians 1:4 (KJV 1900) — 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

More truth you can not discern

 

[TomL]

More truth you can not discern

Once again, you show no ability to deal with scripture

 

[brightfame52]

Once again, you show no ability to deal with scripture

Unconditional Election took place before the foundation of the world and it put people in Christ Eph 1:4

According as he hath chosen us[the elect] in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This is the eternal phase of Salvation where nothing is in being except the will of the Sovereign Triune God !

 

[TomL]

Unconditional Election took place before the foundation of the world and it put people in Christ Eph 1:4

According as he hath chosen us[the elect] in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

This is the eternal phase of Salvation where nothing is in being except the will of the Sovereign Triune God !

Nope

Election is in Christ

Being in Christ is a condition one fulfills when they trust in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (UASV) — 13 In whom also, you having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also having trusted, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

Election is in Christ

Being in Christ is a condition one fulfills when they trust in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (UASV) — 13 In whom also, you having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also having trusted, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

You are in the dark on the eternal phase of election .

 

[TomL]

You are in the dark on the eternal phase of election .

You are anti-biblical

Election is in Christ

Being in Christ is a condition one fulfills when they trust in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (UASV) — 13 In whom also, you having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also having trusted, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

[brightfame52]

You are anti-biblical

Election is in Christ

Being in Christ is a condition one fulfills when they trust in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (UASV) — 13 In whom also, you having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also having trusted, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The Elect were in Christ before the foundation, loved in Christ. God doesn't Love sinners outside of Christ. So you believe people are loved by God outside of Christ Jesus? Yes or No

 

[TomL]

The Elect were in Christ before the foundation, loved in Christ. God doesn't Love sinners outside of Christ. So you believe people are loved by God outside of Christ Jesus? Yes or No

Nope

Men are in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

not in eternity

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

Men are in Christ when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

not in eternity

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

Nope they did not exist to be in Christ

And Paul clearly shows men are in Christ in time

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

 

[brightfame52]

Nope they did not exist to be in Christ

And Paul clearly shows men are in Christ in time

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

 

[TomL]

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

You never addressed rebuttal

Nope they did not exist to be in Christ

And Paul clearly shows men are in Christ in time

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

 

[TomL]

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

John 3:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

 

[brightfame52]

You never addressed rebuttal

Nope they did not exist to be in Christ

And Paul clearly shows men are in Christ in time

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

when they believe

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The elect were in Christ by election before the foundation when God loved them from Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Gods Love is only in Christ Jesus Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The love of God here has the definite article, so its definite only in Christ Jesus,

ὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

You cant be outside of Christ Jesus and be Loved by God. Gods Love began in the Eternal Phase of Salvation where also did Unconditional election

Eph 1:13 and Rom 16:7 are about the Spiritual phase of Salvation

See in the Eternal Phase of Salvation, all the elect members were all at once chosen in Christ Eph 1:4

However they dont all come into the world at the same time, some were born in the 1700s, some in the 1800s and etc, and they experience the Spiritual phase during their generation. So if one elect is converted 1723 and one was born and converted in 1823 , the one born in 1723 was converted in Christ Spiritually before the one who was born in 1823

All the elect are not born again individually at the same time. Peter was in Christ Spiritually before Paul but when in the eternal phase they were in Christ by election at the same time.

 

[brightfame52]

John 3:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

Good scripture, that world evidently is the world of People Chosen in Christ before the foundation , since Gods Love is In Christ Jesus

οὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν