Doctrine of Unconditional Election

you need to stop adding to scripture

Absurd

You add to scripture that which is not there and reverse what it states

One must believe before having life, but you impart life before belief

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

BTW you are not his sheep unless you are following him

John 10:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Now why would the Ye in Jn 20:31 change from being anyone but the Sheep ?


31 But these are written, that ye[The Sheep] might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye[The Sheep] might have life through his name.
 
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Now why would the Ye in Jn 20:31 change from being anyone but the Sheep ?


31 But these are written, that ye[The Sheep] might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye[The Sheep] might have life through his name.
you need to stop adding to scripture that which is not there and reverse what it states

One must believe before having life, but you impart life before belief

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

BTW you are not his sheep unless you are following him

John 10:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
 
Thank you for pointing out John 20:31! That clearly proves it's only by believing that you may have life in His name. Excellent! The calvinist heresy that life precedes belief just crashed and burned! 🔥

(John 20:31) but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

As for Sheep, your confusion stems from the fact that you're conflating/blending My Sheep (Believers) with Lost Sheep (non-Believers) and making a total mess of things. 🤪
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28
 
you need to stop adding to scripture that which is not there and reverse what it states

One must believe before having life, but you impart life before belief

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

BTW you are not his sheep unless you are following him

John 10:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Now why would the Ye in Jn 20:31 change from being anyone but the Sheep ?


31 But these are written, that ye[The Sheep] might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye[The Sheep] might have life through his name.
 
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Now why would the Ye in Jn 20:31 change from being anyone but the Sheep ?


31 But these are written, that ye[The Sheep] might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye[The Sheep] might have life through his name.
you need to stop adding to scripture that which is not there and reverse what it states

One must believe before having life, but you impart life before belief

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

BTW you are not his sheep unless you are following him

John 10:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
 
you need to stop adding to scripture that which is not there and reverse what it states

One must believe before having life, but you impart life before belief

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

BTW you are not his sheep unless you are following him

John 10:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Now why would the Ye in Jn 20:31 change from being anyone but the Sheep ?


31 But these are written, that ye[The Sheep] might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye[The Sheep] might have life through his name. BTW The Sheep are the Elect !
 
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28
Thank you once again for pointing out John 20:31! I can't thank you enough. Keep bringing up that verse. That clearly proves it's only by believing that you may have life in His name.

All that remains from the calvinist heresy that life precedes belief is just smoldering heat and charred remains. 🔥
 
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Thank you once again for pointing out John 20:31! I can't thank you enough. Keep bringing up that verse. That clearly proves it's only by believing that you may have life in His name.

All that remains from the calvinist heresy that life precedes belief is just smoldering heat and charred remains. 🔥
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28
 
Thank you once again for pointing out John 20:31! I can't thank you enough. Keep bringing up that verse that destroys the calvinist heresy of regeneration before belief.
Yes it does !

It exposes their backwards masking and secret messages hidden in scripture only they can understand and see lol
 
so you believe these elect?

John 10:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Now why would the Ye in Jn 20:31 change from being anyone but the Sheep ?


31 But these are written, that ye[The Sheep] might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye[The Sheep] might have life through his name. BTW The Sheep are the Elect !
 
Jn 20:31 is written to the Sheep and about the Sheep, Thats clear from Jn 10:10-11,27-28

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they[The Sheep] might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Now why would the Ye in Jn 20:31 change from being anyone but the Sheep ?


31 But these are written, that ye[The Sheep] might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye[The Sheep] might have life through his name. BTW The Sheep are the Elect !
The word sheep does not appear in the text

What makes you believe you are entitled to add to scripture
 
you need to stop adding to scripture that which is not there and reverse what it states
Listen to the snail calling the worm slimy!
One must believe before having life, but you impart life before belief
Then you would accuse Christ and his apostles of adding to the scriptures and reverse what they teach according to your understanding, which can be proven to be against what the word of God teaches.

1st John 5:1~"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Whosoever believeth~With much emphasis in this chapter on the identity of Jesus, faith is a gift from God~Philippians 1:28,29, etc. The universe exists for this great drama, but most men reject it, neglect it, or miss it, and could care less about it even if they knew it, without the new birth. God chose to display Himself to the universe through His Son to save all His elect. Most men do not know why or even how they exist, what to do with life, or how to worship God. Without faith, God’s gift to His sons, we would believe the world’s destructive lies. Only those born of God will believe, condemning all men.

That Jesus is the Christ~ We met with this fact about Jesus Christ the Son of God in the first verses (Ist John 1:1-3). We met with this fact about Jesus the Christ earlier against many antichrists (Ist John 2:22).

Jesus is the Christ = Jesus of Nazareth, Son of Mary, is God’s chosen Messiah and Son. The record given in the Bible is what we know and believe by faith (Matt 1:16-25). English Christ is from the Greek Christos, from Hebrew Messiah (John 1:41; 4:25). The Messiah, or Christ, was known as Son of David and Son of God made known to the elect only by the Father~(Matt 16:16). Thus, if we believe Jesus of Nazareth is God’s anointed Son, you have proof by faith. Most do not believe, and there is little value trying to tell them of it (2nd Thess 3:1-2). Casting pearls before swines could be a dangerous practice, if not dangerous, they would see no value in those pearls.

Repentance to accept truth – or the creation of faith – is God’s gift (2nd Tim 2:24-26). It is God’s elective choice that any have faith to believe (Ist Cor 1:18-31; James 2:5).

"IS" born of God~ Born of God = regeneration = quickened = a new nature by the Spirit to be sons vitally. This same writer made it very clear the sovereign power involved (John 1:12-13; 3:1-8).

Faith to believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, is proof a man is already born again. He that believeth [present tense; active voice] is born of God [perfect tense; passive]. Perfect tense is action completed [perfected] in the past and still true in the present~ “He has been born of God.”

We can prove this priority of action by John’s previous points (Ist John 4:7 cp Ist John 3:14). Consider John’s other examples proving regeneration is before faith (Ist John 4:15).

Unless a man is born again, he cannot see God’s kingdom, let alone its King (John 3:3). Being born again is God’s work, without human efforts, for us to believe (John 1:12). God’s work of grace in causing the new birth is like the sovereign wind (John 3:8). He that is of God – already born of God – can hear and understand (John 8:43-45,47). As shown above many times~the sheep of Christ will believe ~ they do not believe to become sheep (John 10:26).

Only those already saved are able and willing to believe on Jesus (Ist Cor 1:18,24). The gospel is hid from others, for they are lost and blinded by Satan (2nd Cor 4:3-4). Faith is the evidence of eternal life and God’s gift, not the means thereof. (2nd Cor 2:14-17; 2nd Thess 3:1-2).

More to come on this one point.
 
Listen to the snail calling the worm slimy!

Then you would accuse Christ and his apostles of adding to the scriptures and reverse what they teach according to your understanding, which can be proven to be against what the word of God teaches.

1st John 5:1~"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Whosoever believeth~With much emphasis in this chapter on the identity of Jesus, faith is a gift from God~Philippians 1:28,29, etc. The universe exists for this great drama, but most men reject it, neglect it, or miss it, and could care less about it even if they knew it, without the new birth. God chose to display Himself to the universe through His Son to save all His elect. Most men do not know why or even how they exist, what to do with life, or how to worship God. Without faith, God’s gift to His sons, we would believe the world’s destructive lies. Only those born of God will believe, condemning all men.

That Jesus is the Christ~ We met with this fact about Jesus Christ the Son of God in the first verses (Ist John 1:1-3). We met with this fact about Jesus the Christ earlier against many antichrists (Ist John 2:22).

Jesus is the Christ = Jesus of Nazareth, Son of Mary, is God’s chosen Messiah and Son. The record given in the Bible is what we know and believe by faith (Matt 1:16-25). English Christ is from the Greek Christos, from Hebrew Messiah (John 1:41; 4:25). The Messiah, or Christ, was known as Son of David and Son of God made known to the elect only by the Father~(Matt 16:16). Thus, if we believe Jesus of Nazareth is God’s anointed Son, you have proof by faith. Most do not believe, and there is little value trying to tell them of it (2nd Thess 3:1-2). Casting pearls before swines could be a dangerous practice, if not dangerous, they would see no value in those pearls.

Repentance to accept truth – or the creation of faith – is God’s gift (2nd Tim 2:24-26). It is God’s elective choice that any have faith to believe (Ist Cor 1:18-31; James 2:5).

"IS" born of God~ Born of God = regeneration = quickened = a new nature by the Spirit to be sons vitally. This same writer made it very clear the sovereign power involved (John 1:12-13; 3:1-8).

Faith to believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, is proof a man is already born again. He that believeth [present tense; active voice] is born of God [perfect tense; passive]. Perfect tense is action completed [perfected] in the past and still true in the present~ “He has been born of God.”

We can prove this priority of action by John’s previous points (Ist John 4:7 cp Ist John 3:14). Consider John’s other examples proving regeneration is before faith (Ist John 4:15).

Unless a man is born again, he cannot see God’s kingdom, let alone its King (John 3:3). Being born again is God’s work, without human efforts, for us to believe (John 1:12). God’s work of grace in causing the new birth is like the sovereign wind (John 3:8). He that is of God – already born of God – can hear and understand (John 8:43-45,47). As shown above many times~the sheep of Christ will believe ~ they do not believe to become sheep (John 10:26).

Only those already saved are able and willing to believe on Jesus (Ist Cor 1:18,24). The gospel is hid from others, for they are lost and blinded by Satan (2nd Cor 4:3-4). Faith is the evidence of eternal life and God’s gift, not the means thereof. (2nd Cor 2:14-17; 2nd Thess 3:1-2).

More to come on this one point.

(1 John 5:1) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. And everyone who loves Him who begets also loves him who has been born of Him.

"Believes" is a present continuous action verb with no specified starting point mentioned in the sentence. So even if one "has been born" in the past, there is no solid way to tell which came first. IOW, it's not a given that "has been born of God" started before "believes". I'll give everyone an example: Everyone American living in the US has been issued a Social Security Number. Which action came first: living or has been issued a SSN?

You know, it's really embarrassing for Calvinists that they cannot point to at least one Bible verse that solidly tells you, in no uncertain terms, that regeneration precedes belief. Honestly!
 
(1 John 5:1) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God. And everyone who loves Him who begets also loves him who has been born of Him.

"Believes" is a present continuous action verb with no specified starting point mentioned in the sentence.
Really, is this your best attempt to disprove my post? Pitiful indeed!

There is a starting point for believing~the new birth is prequite to believing according to the grammar of John's writing. Anyone with a little knowledge of the English language would admit this, unless they have a agenda to protect, like you do~your golden calf of man's free will being not in bondage to sin and Satan.

Even the version you used proves my point.

"Believes" is a present continuous action verb with no specified starting point mentioned in the sentence. So even if one "has been born" in the past, there is no solid way to tell which came first. IOW, it's not a given that "has been born of God" started before "believes". I'll give everyone an example: Everyone American living in the US has been issued a Social Security Number.
Exactly, living come first, just as we have being saying for as long as we have been on this forum. Thanks for the example, you need to heed your own post, it seems as though a Calvinist posted it instead of you. ;)
You know, it's really embarrassing for Calvinists that they cannot point to at least one Bible verse that solidly tells you, in no uncertain terms, that regeneration precedes belief. Honestly!
The only person who is embarrassing themselves would be Mr. synergy. (y)
 
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